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Re: "Help Japan" @ top
#14138858 - 03/17/11 07:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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How does seeing the images in that thread effect your psychology? How has this event as a whole effected your psychology?
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Kickle]
#14138898 - 03/17/11 07:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nothing much. Ten or Twenty thousand dead? That's nothing. If it happened in my town I'd notice.
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Icelander]
#14138930 - 03/17/11 07:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Followup question: How did Icelander's post effect your psychology
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Kickle]
#14138952 - 03/17/11 07:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It does't affect me at all 
I don't know if I should feel bad or not.
I agree with Icelander.
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: pfxtc]
#14138977 - 03/17/11 07:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I won't contribute for the same reason I didn't contribute to New Orleans - rebuilding there is dumb. Japan has had bad earthquakes as long as anybody can remember, and there's more coming.
I'd chip in five bucks to buy them a slice of Texas. We could trade even, and turn Japan into a national park.
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: pfxtc]
#14139000 - 03/17/11 07:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Alright, as a counter to those replies I'll speak to what it did to me.
The pictures engaged empathy and pity. My thoughts ran through a scenario where I was in a similar position, suddenly without everything I had known as "mine" and suddenly dependent upon the graces of others. I thought about how this would play out for me here in the US.
I also thought about the way that many who believe God is Nature have to come up with all sorts of reasons for this sort of thing to reinforce a belief. Same with the God is all camp. And this spurred further thoughts about why it matters at all that it happened and why I should have any good graces towards that individual beyond my empathic urges, that same nature that makes me feel that empathy is also responsible for the damage.
And so I stalled in some eddy of emotion for a while
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Kickle]
#14139029 - 03/17/11 07:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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When one sees these things one never questions if many of these people are really worthy of help. IMO most humans are a blight on the earth and only the children are innocent. For just a little while.
Lets say as an outsider you knew nothing of the Nazi's. But you heard they were all of a sudden suffering sever hardship and needed help to get back on their feet. Well then if you follow the logic of most people you'd do what you could to help them without question and the result would be... more dead in the camps.
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Icelander]
#14139044 - 03/17/11 07:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, but there is also a part of me that thinks: if I were in Germany during Hitler's reign, I would have been a Nazi. Would I not help myself?
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Kickle]
#14139079 - 03/17/11 08:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i also agree with the "rebuilding shitty places thing"
especially with haiti..
uhh.. lets pay to get them the fuck out, not rebuild. yeah!
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: pfxtc]
#14139115 - 03/17/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, but I can't really blame people for being human. We want to reproduce (even if not mentally) and Japan's population is already a tight squeeze. Tough for me to convince myself they shouldn't have been where they were. It's also tough for me to convince myself that we should uproot them from their homeland and their culture, being as collectivistic as they are, and put them somewhere else.
I generally settle on the no approach is a good approach, approach.
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: pfxtc]
#14139141 - 03/17/11 08:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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uhh.. lets pay to get them the fuck out, not rebuild. yeah!
We do it in this country with flood plains. Yeah, we'll pay for your house, but you build elsewhere.
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Doc_T]
#14139191 - 03/17/11 08:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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There's more natural disasters than just water. We've had hundreds of homes burn down from forest fires here and we're sparsely populated. I guess we could deforest all residential areas, but that doesn't really bode well in terms of resources.
Do you think there is a realistic place we can put 8 billion people and be free from natural disasters that do tremendous damage?
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Kickle]
#14139264 - 03/17/11 08:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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There's lots and lots of places that are safer than lots of other places.
Even if everybody can't be perfectly safe every minute.
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Doc_T]
#14139276 - 03/17/11 08:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I dunno about that -- they may only be safer now because they have less people in 'em. Put more people in them, and the casualty count goes up. The largest concentration of people is near water so it's natural for the largest disasters to happen there.
What makes you think other areas would be safer even with increased population?
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Kickle]
#14139305 - 03/17/11 08:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dude, are you serious? Statistics. Japan is on a major fault line. It's like building on San Andreas, but worse because it's an island.
You'd have to think hard to come up with a more dangerous place to live. Iceland maybe.
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Kickle] 2
#14139324 - 03/17/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kickle said: Followup question: How did Icelander's post effect your psychology 
I felt a 15% increase in death anxiety.
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Doc_T]
#14139349 - 03/17/11 08:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Where would you move the Japanese to, then? I agree it's in a bad location for earthquakes, never once have I disputed that.
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Kickle]
#14139476 - 03/17/11 09:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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high powered oven
just kidding
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#14139489 - 03/17/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Deep sea underwater cities would be megacool.
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Silversoul]
#14139687 - 03/17/11 09:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
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Kickle said: Followup question: How did Icelander's post effect your psychology 
I felt a 15% increase in death anxiety.
I'm always waiting in the wings.
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Kickle]
#14139723 - 03/17/11 09:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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since japan's earthquake, our local media has reminded us almost daily that geologists say the PNW is 50 years past due on a "megathrust" earthquake from the cascadia subduction zone. typical with the media, their sensationalist figures seem fabricated from nowhere. while we don't have a recorded history of earthquakes like Japan, there is considerable evidence from ghost forests along the Oregon coast and orphaned tsunamis in Japan that indeed we have had massive quakes in the past, with evidence of them having occurred in 17th, 14th, and 8th century A.D... so a 300 and 800 year span between them... also, geologists aren't certain if the entire fault would go again as it has done in the past, or if just part of it. all we seem to know is something big will happen, but exactly where and when at best seem to be guesses.
it appears though it's going to take such an earthquake for what's left of portland to hopefully ready itself for one after it. compared to japan, our buildings may as well be paper mache, and i believe only one of our many bridges has been retrofitted, which even still likely would not withstand such an earthquake... they say we don't have the money to.
but sure japan's earthquake has effected my psyche. besides prompting me to investigate more into our own circumstances, i've always been fascinated with japanese culture and would love to someday travel there. i want to see them recover, and consider helping them to be an entirely worthwhile charity. should the shoe be on the other foot some day in my lifetime, i'd surely be grateful for what help was received....
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Icelander]
#14139773 - 03/17/11 09:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I felt a 15% increase in death anxiety.
run it by me what normal old anxiety (as opposed to "death anxiety") feels like again
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: pfxtc]
#14139788 - 03/17/11 09:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i also agree with the "rebuilding shitty places thing"
especially with haiti..
What bugs me about Haiti (and the reason I won't send them any help) is that the birth rate TRIPLED after the earthquake even though they couldn't feed themselves even BEFORE the earthquake hit.
What kind of sadistic monsters would bring children into a life of hunger, sickness, and hard work with virtually no hope of improvement?
Fuck them. I feel for those kids but their parents should be lined up and shot before they create more innocent kids to torture.
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Daraine Luton (The Gleaner) reports that, according to the United Nation Population Fund (UNFPA), Haiti’s birth rate has tripled since the January 2010 earthquake, from four per cent to 12 per cent.
On Wednesday’s launch of the World Population Report 2010, Igor Bosc, UNFPA representative to Haiti, told journalists that the increased rate of fertility in Haiti is of great concern and may translate into a crisis, underscoring the fact that the earthquake destroyed the vast majority of the health facilities in Port-au-Prince. Bosc also explained that there has been an increase in violence against women and that sexual behavior among Haitians now create the opportunity for increasing sexually transmitted infections, adding that “only 12 per cent of the population use condoms and the prevalence of HIV is likely to increase.”
Witchner Ormeus, Haiti’s director of youth and integration in the Ministry of Youth, Sports and Civil Action, said urgent action is required to rescue Haiti: “The situation in Haiti has worsened since the earthquake. Family and community structures are breaking down and young people are very sexually active at an early age. We now have to intensify our campaign against HIV/AIDS and do more work in the area of family planning.” He stressed that parents do not have control over their teenage children in the tent cities, expressing concern that this could be devastating.
Gabriel Bedegian, Chief Technical Adviser on population development at UNFPA, said there has been a deliberate attempt by some countries to paint the Haitian man as a rapist and that the increase in fertility rate is best explained by people seeking to use sex for comfort after the catastrophe.
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Diploid]
#14139807 - 03/17/11 09:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Now now Diploid. Most humans are of little thought and the reproductive urge has a mind of it's own and can overpower most anyone. Nature itself is most responsible for the madness. Nature is the Monster, humans but pawns.
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Icelander]
#14140260 - 03/17/11 10:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Exactly - and if your TV and electricity are down, you gotta do SOMETHING with your spare time.
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Yeah but Diploid does have a point. How hard is it to use a condom and can't anyone see that poverty is improved" when one has less mouths to feed.
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Icelander]
#14140813 - 03/18/11 12:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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There's lots and lots of places that are safer than lots of other places.
Like the Australian desert! You aint going to worry about floods, fires, earthquakes, tsunamis, etc. etc.
But for some reason we don't want to let people into our country...
We got all those japs living on a tiny island and only 22million people living here... is that fucking weird or what?
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: durantz]
#14141677 - 03/18/11 05:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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^^^ exactly. Build a couple nuclear desalination plants, and you're good to go.
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Doc_T]
#14141693 - 03/18/11 05:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: ^^^ exactly. Build a couple nuclear desalination plants, and you're good to go.
ummm no we are trying to avoid disasters....
but we actually have plenty of fresh ground water deep underground.
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: durantz]
#14141715 - 03/18/11 05:39 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nuclear power is safer than you think. But if the water is already there, even better.
Japan is used to being an indoor society, they can build underground. Vast cities that don't disturb the barren desert at all.
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Doc_T]
#14141717 - 03/18/11 05:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I totally agree dude! Which is why I can't understand why we have so much space here that is not utilised!!
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: durantz]
#14141745 - 03/18/11 05:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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There is even more space out in space!
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Oh god don't do that to me! This post is hilarious. Although I am peaking from a shroom tea...
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