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Re: "Help Japan" @ top
#14138858 - 03/17/11 07:28 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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How does seeing the images in that thread effect your psychology? How has this event as a whole effected your psychology?
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Kickle]
#14138898 - 03/17/11 07:34 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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Nothing much. Ten or Twenty thousand dead? That's nothing. If it happened in my town I'd notice.
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Icelander]
#14138930 - 03/17/11 07:38 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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Followup question: How did Icelander's post effect your psychology
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Kickle]
#14138952 - 03/17/11 07:41 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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It does't affect me at all
I don't know if I should feel bad or not.
I agree with Icelander.
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: pfxtc]
#14138977 - 03/17/11 07:44 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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I won't contribute for the same reason I didn't contribute to New Orleans - rebuilding there is dumb. Japan has had bad earthquakes as long as anybody can remember, and there's more coming.
I'd chip in five bucks to buy them a slice of Texas. We could trade even, and turn Japan into a national park.
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: pfxtc]
#14139000 - 03/17/11 07:47 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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Alright, as a counter to those replies I'll speak to what it did to me.
The pictures engaged empathy and pity. My thoughts ran through a scenario where I was in a similar position, suddenly without everything I had known as "mine" and suddenly dependent upon the graces of others. I thought about how this would play out for me here in the US.
I also thought about the way that many who believe God is Nature have to come up with all sorts of reasons for this sort of thing to reinforce a belief. Same with the God is all camp. And this spurred further thoughts about why it matters at all that it happened and why I should have any good graces towards that individual beyond my empathic urges, that same nature that makes me feel that empathy is also responsible for the damage.
And so I stalled in some eddy of emotion for a while
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Kickle]
#14139029 - 03/17/11 07:52 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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When one sees these things one never questions if many of these people are really worthy of help. IMO most humans are a blight on the earth and only the children are innocent. For just a little while.
Lets say as an outsider you knew nothing of the Nazi's. But you heard they were all of a sudden suffering sever hardship and needed help to get back on their feet. Well then if you follow the logic of most people you'd do what you could to help them without question and the result would be... more dead in the camps.
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Icelander]
#14139044 - 03/17/11 07:54 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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Yeah, but there is also a part of me that thinks: if I were in Germany during Hitler's reign, I would have been a Nazi. Would I not help myself?
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Kickle]
#14139079 - 03/17/11 08:01 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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i also agree with the "rebuilding shitty places thing"
especially with haiti..
uhh.. lets pay to get them the fuck out, not rebuild. yeah!
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: pfxtc]
#14139115 - 03/17/11 08:06 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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Yeah, but I can't really blame people for being human. We want to reproduce (even if not mentally) and Japan's population is already a tight squeeze. Tough for me to convince myself they shouldn't have been where they were. It's also tough for me to convince myself that we should uproot them from their homeland and their culture, being as collectivistic as they are, and put them somewhere else.
I generally settle on the no approach is a good approach, approach.
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: pfxtc]
#14139141 - 03/17/11 08:09 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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uhh.. lets pay to get them the fuck out, not rebuild. yeah!
We do it in this country with flood plains. Yeah, we'll pay for your house, but you build elsewhere.
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Doc_T]
#14139191 - 03/17/11 08:16 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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There's more natural disasters than just water. We've had hundreds of homes burn down from forest fires here and we're sparsely populated. I guess we could deforest all residential areas, but that doesn't really bode well in terms of resources.
Do you think there is a realistic place we can put 8 billion people and be free from natural disasters that do tremendous damage?
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Kickle]
#14139264 - 03/17/11 08:26 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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There's lots and lots of places that are safer than lots of other places.
Even if everybody can't be perfectly safe every minute.
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Doc_T]
#14139276 - 03/17/11 08:28 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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I dunno about that -- they may only be safer now because they have less people in 'em. Put more people in them, and the casualty count goes up. The largest concentration of people is near water so it's natural for the largest disasters to happen there.
What makes you think other areas would be safer even with increased population?
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Kickle]
#14139305 - 03/17/11 08:34 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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Dude, are you serious? Statistics. Japan is on a major fault line. It's like building on San Andreas, but worse because it's an island.
You'd have to think hard to come up with a more dangerous place to live. Iceland maybe.
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Kickle] 2
#14139324 - 03/17/11 08:39 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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Kickle said: Followup question: How did Icelander's post effect your psychology
I felt a 15% increase in death anxiety.
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Doc_T]
#14139349 - 03/17/11 08:43 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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Where would you move the Japanese to, then? I agree it's in a bad location for earthquakes, never once have I disputed that.
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Kickle]
#14139476 - 03/17/11 09:04 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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high powered oven
just kidding
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Re: "Help Japan" @ top [Re: Kickle] 1
#14139489 - 03/17/11 09:06 PM (13 years, 14 days ago) |
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Deep sea underwater cities would be megacool.
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Quote:
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Kickle said: Followup question: How did Icelander's post effect your psychology
I felt a 15% increase in death anxiety.
I'm always waiting in the wings.
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