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Re: UN Authorizes Military Strikes Against Libya [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14150155 - 03/19/11 07:19 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Why would anybody believe anything different of his opponents?  Here's a bankable bet.  Both sides will commit deplorable horrors on the other.





I was going to say something based on a quote I couldn't remeber quite right and then I found all these quotes and nothing I can say could match them

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Re: UN Authorizes Military Strikes Against Libya [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14152211 - 03/20/11 03:15 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Why would anybody believe anything different of his opponents?  Here's a bankable bet.  Both sides will commit deplorable horrors on the other.




Fully agree on that point. The question is not to take part for a side, but is, can we let those deplorable horrors happened ? Philisophical subject for a dinner with friends and wine for all the night.

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As if the Lybian forces would be able to surgically strike against the opposition forces by dropping bombs on and shelling the city of Bengasi. Ridiculous.



Ofc not, do i let the impression to tell something contrary ? That is why i think wife and children will be the first victims. Maybe cause of my shitty english i dont get the point here :smirk:. You mean what i told was obvious ?

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Re: UN Authorizes Military Strikes Against Libya [Re: mill]
    #14153783 - 03/20/11 01:08 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Naw. I am unable to reply to the person you replied to directly so I replied to you. It was actually directed at zappaisgod. I support what you said.


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Re: UN Authorizes Military Strikes Against Libya [Re: German Kahuna]
    #14153877 - 03/20/11 01:28 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Naw. I am unable to reply to the person you replied to directly so I replied to you. It was actually directed at zappaisgod. I support what you said.



"Unable"?  Funny, this is another person who thinks his self inflicted wounds are not his fault, out of his control and constitute a disability.:flowstone:


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Re: UN Authorizes Military Strikes Against Libya [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14154269 - 03/20/11 02:40 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Gaddafi refused to deal in dollars, that is one of the reason why the united states is attacking him . EXACTLY the smae reason they went after Saddam, it is time people wake up to what we have in front of us, and it is time that people realize not only it can change but it must change

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Re: UN Authorizes Military Strikes Against Libya [Re: despisedicon]
    #14154478 - 03/20/11 03:24 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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The French and British and going to lead.  They don't need any help from the USA.  The French have a air base in Chad,and strong military.  At least the UN didn't wait until the rebels got crushed.  :shrug:

This article raises an important point upon its conclusion.  Gaddafi would probably do just that.  Although, it's a no win situation for everyone.  Killing this idiot isn't going to make everything stable.  Waring tribes will fight for his position. 

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.  and it ain't over until it's over.






oh god this isn't middle east all over again is it? is obama staying out of this? or are we involved now?


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Re: UN Authorizes Military Strikes Against Libya [Re: communeart] * 1
    #14154890 - 03/20/11 05:05 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Gaddafi refused to deal in dollars, that is one of the reason why the united states is attacking him . EXACTLY the smae reason they went after Saddam, it is time people wake up to what we have in front of us, and it is time that people realize not only it can change but it must change




You must have your head up your ass. 

If France didn't "intervene" in the American revolution, we'd probably still be sucking the Queen's dick.  Of course, you're Canadian, and a communist, so you clearly prefer authoritarianism. 

I see no reason to not support popular democratic revolts anywhere, especially one against such a massive piece of shit as Qaddafi.  By non-action you are still taking sides, you realize that right?  You take Qaddafi's side?  By what possible path of convoluted logic can you prefer that pile of crap over any popular movement of the citizens? 

The rebels asked directly for help and we're giving it to them. 

You are either willfully ignorant or delusional.

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Re: UN Authorizes Military Strikes Against Libya [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14155725 - 03/20/11 07:48 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

> You are either willfully ignorant or delusional.

:rofl:

Welcome to the political discussion forum, my friend.


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Re: UN Authorizes Military Strikes Against Libya [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #14155856 - 03/20/11 08:13 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I know you don't believe in Libyans, but the people currently being attacked by Ghadaffi have been begging us to do this for a week now.




which Libyan people are you referring to?  can you please list for me each faction of power in Libya, who they represent and who they take orders from?  or are we really to believe this is simply the story of the brave Libyan people vs. the evil oppressive regime because we heard it from the same media agencies that were so objective, investigative, and truthful about the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions?

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I realize that you are perfectly okay with people dying because of your beliefs, but I, for one, am not.

Life before idealism, thank you very much.




well now you not only have to worry about people dying in a civil war but also foreign armies dropping bombs on them.  congratulations.

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Re: UN Authorizes Military Strikes Against Libya [Re: Grav] * 1
    #14156097 - 03/20/11 08:50 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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or are we really to believe this is simply the story of the brave Libyan people vs. the evil oppressive regime because we heard it from the same media agencies that were so objective, investigative, and truthful about the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions?




Thanks to the internet, it's no longer necessary to trust those media organizations exclusively.  For example, I've been getting most of my information from Libyans in Libya, one of whom was sniped while reporting in his hometown of Benghazi.  Just a few hours before he was shot, I was talking to him and his wife on web cam.


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well now you not only have to worry about people dying in a civil war but also foreign armies dropping bombs on them.  congratulations.




They asked us to drop those bombs. 

In any case, it's clear that if Qaddafi wins, he will be arresting and probably executing thousands of civilians in retribution.  Why do I believe that?  Because that's what he is doing now and has been doing since he came to power.  You are obviously choosing which information to believe based on some personal agenda, so why not just pretend the whole thing isn't even happening?  Ignore all the information completely.

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Re: UN Authorizes Military Strikes Against Libya [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14156182 - 03/20/11 09:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

ah tweets.  i'm sure they are all from genuine libyan people, too.  why question such a thing?

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They asked us to drop those bombs.



i'm truly sorry you believe that...

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Re: UN Authorizes Military Strikes Against Libya [Re: Grav]
    #14156222 - 03/20/11 09:09 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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ah tweets.  i'm sure they are all from genuine libyan people, too.  why question such a thing?

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They asked us to drop those bombs.



i'm truly sorry you believe that...





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Re: UN Authorizes Military Strikes Against Libya [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14156295 - 03/20/11 09:20 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

So of Geddoflundgren asked us to drop some bombs on some people for him, it'd be cool, because he asked us?


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Re: UN Authorizes Military Strikes Against Libya [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #14156324 - 03/20/11 09:23 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

A)Who is that? 

B)If an armed man had me on the ground and was stomping on my skull, and I asked you to shoot him, would you?  Even if you wouldn't, would it be wrong to do so?

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Re: UN Authorizes Military Strikes Against Libya [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14156434 - 03/20/11 09:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

A) You know, the final boss of Libya that you have to blow up before you can collect all the coins.  Kadofi? Gaddafi? Quahdauphiegh?

B) Maybe and maybe.


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Re: UN Authorizes Military Strikes Against Libya [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14156589 - 03/20/11 10:03 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

what i want to know is when has America playing international police ever worked out for us?


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Re: UN Authorizes Military Strikes Against Libya [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14156609 - 03/20/11 10:06 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

People are dumb beasts that bloody each other over territory like any primate driving another away with an awkwardly wielded stick, waving it in the air, beating the ground, and if that doesn't work, screeching and biting, smearing blood across his face.  Libyans, The French, Britons, Americans, chimpansees ... hopeless, foolish brutes.  Chuang sarcastically recommends indifference to people with whom he disagrees, implying that indifference is not a humane alternative to siding with the righteous--which is what the better informed do (Ha!).  Collectively, people are so rarely righteous that this is delusional thinking at best.  Taking sides is almost always less civilized than turning away.  It is politics and second nature to savages; it's the lusty hoot and holler of people like Zappa and Annapurna1, signifying our collective disgrace, nothing more.  I'm tired of it.  Here's an egg on a piece of toast for no reason:  :breakfast:

EDIT: Sorry, this whole bombing another arab country thing has me in a foul mood.


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Re: UN Authorizes Military Strikes Against Libya [Re: danielx]
    #14156694 - 03/20/11 10:18 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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what i want to know is when has America playing international police ever worked out for us?




It is indeed rare, but it has happened.  Intervention in World War II for example worked out pretty well for us over the alternative.

I find it hard to think of any foreign military operation that the US military has been involved in that I support.  This, however, is one of them.

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Re: UN Authorizes Military Strikes Against Libya [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14156745 - 03/20/11 10:25 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Chuang asked, "would it be wrong to do so?"

Rather, ask yourself: is it wrongheaded to rationalize and accept lobbing missiles at people from hundreds of miles away and dropping bombs on people from thousands of feet?

Truly, are there crimes that justify these?


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Re: UN Authorizes Military Strikes Against Libya [Re: Not Quite Social]
    #14156834 - 03/20/11 10:37 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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People are dumb beasts that bloody each other over territory like any primate driving another away with an awkwardly wielded stick, waving it in the air, beating the ground, and if that doesn't work, screeching and biting, smearing blood across his face.  Libyans, The French, Britons, Americans, chimpansees ... hopeless, foolish brutes.  Chuang sarcastically recommends indifference to people with whom he disagrees, implying that indifference is not a humane alternative to siding with the righteous--which is what the better informed do (Ha!).  Collectively, people are so rarely righteous that this is delusional thinking at best.  Taking sides is almost always less civilized than turning away.  It is politics and second nature to savages; it's the lusty hoot and holler of people like Zappa and Annapurna1, signifying our collective disgrace, nothing more.  I'm tired of it.  Here's an egg on a piece of toast for no reason:  :breakfast:

EDIT: Sorry, this whole bombing another arab country thing has me in a foul mood.




That's exactly what has been going down in Libya for 42 years.  Nobody should have to live in those kind of conditions.  They've had enough and Qaddafi will obviously not relinquish the reins without a fight.  Undoubtedly, his sons wouldn't either.  Now they're putting their lives on the line for a chance to free themselves from the yoke of tyranny and they have asked for our help.  You'd just sit idly by while the people of Libya are strafed by fighter jets and executed in the streets?  If you think that makes you more civilized, then all I can say is I'm glad you're not my neighbor.  I think you can comfortably sit here and say that the Libyans should continue living like that simply because you, yourself, live in a reasonably free society.  Simply ignoring it won't make it go away, even if it makes you feel better.

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