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Austrip
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Re: Anything more powerful then DMT or Ayahuasca? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
#14140062 - 03/17/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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real hallucinations, not just visual distortions and psychedelic imagery.
Psychosis and I'm guessing a full blown datura trip would be the closest thing, but basically complete delusion makes DMT and traditional psychedelic trips seem like looking through a toy kalaedoscope.
DMT temporarily takes you to another realm, but mentally your still able to conceive whats happening to you. People describe DMT like this LSD and shrooms give you a slight visual change or distortion of reality, DMT completely creates a new reality and the old one goes out the window. With a trip through delirium, several new realities start to co-exist inside your current one. & Things can happen that don't just seem real, they ARE real in every sense the same as your pet dog is real, or your fish tank is real, or your TV is real.
You can be wide awake, walking down a street thinking that nothing is out of place, when actually everything your watching is a fabrication of your own mind.
I've been abused and beaten up by people that didn't exist, seen and been witness to vivid and ridiculous situations that never really happened, created memories that never occured. That kind of thing, and it's 100x more intense and scary then any DMT trip I ever had.
your literally a victim only to the limits of your brains capabilities.
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Re: Anything more powerful then DMT or Ayahuasca? [Re: Austrip]
#14140925 - 03/18/11 12:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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belladonna/nightshade/datura can be I have heard, ibogaine is more intense for most people, partially because the way its used for addiction optimizes the trip through heart rate monitoring, fasting, etc, and because it lasts a hell of a lot longer. Also I have heard that high doses of drammamine can be more intense than dmt but in a datura type of way. Other than that there are all sorts of cocktails possible which would go beyond DMT, and also I have heard that around the 200mg range DMT just gives you a complete whiteout, whereas you could keep pushing certain drugs or drug cocktails to a near DMT level (I believe it was Leary who said if you did enough LSD or DOB it was similar to DMT).
Seems to me though that attempting to go beyond the level of DMT would not be very smart...
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Re: Anything more powerful then DMT or Ayahuasca? [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
#14140966 - 03/18/11 12:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ive never done dramamine, but ive done benadryl which is very close to the same thing.
that shit is too much. at the time i lived in my parents house and i kept hallucinating that my mom was opening the door to my room and just standing in the doorway staring at me, and knew i was tripping. i would freak out and be like "what mom?" and then as soon as i blinked she would vanish.
the first delusion i experienced like that was some time at like 4 in the morning, i was in the bathroom pissing and at that point only felt very heavy. i finished pissing and then i was washing my hands when my sister began to talk to me, so i talked back. we had a full conversation. then i realized i was in the bathroom and my sister lived in another state.
another delusion i had was when i was downstairs watching tv. again, my sister began to talk to me and we held a conversation. at one point i turned to look at her (as i heard her voice from the other side of the sofa) and nobody was there. this creeped me out a little so i turned back to the tv to finish watching the show i was watching. it turns out the tv wasnt even on. i can only imagine what my mom would have thought had she walked downstairs and seen me talking to myself while staring intently at a blank tv.
that is some absolutely wild shit. but its intense in a completely different aspect than a regular psychedelic experience.
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Re: Anything more powerful then DMT or Ayahuasca? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
#14142295 - 03/18/11 09:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i really want to try Datura but i r scared @_@
i have 2 friends that did it via jimsonweed weed one time... they really liked it, but they are the weirdest people i know - and thats fuckin saying something
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Re: Anything more powerful then DMT or Ayahuasca? [Re: stranger_danger]
#14142767 - 03/18/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Datura is not fun IMO. I didn't know what the hell was going on, that's about all I can remember.
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Re: Anything more powerful then DMT or Ayahuasca? [Re: Ginto]
#14142779 - 03/18/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ginto said: I couldn't even imagine something more intense. I wouldn't try it but am curious, maybe some obscure drug or something? Does anyone know?
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Re: Anything more powerful then DMT or Ayahuasca? [Re: GrizzlyBear]
#14143377 - 03/18/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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my double dose ayahuasca session was supernatural. i simply cannot explain certain parts of my experience in any conventional way. i was deeply bothered by it for months afterward.
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Re: Anything more powerful then DMT or Ayahuasca? [Re: Austrip] 1
#14143551 - 03/18/11 02:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Austrip said:
I definitely don't think DMT is as far as we can go, it's as far as most will care to venture though. But when you take into account the world of REAL hallucinations like datura/meth psychosis/madness, I think there is definitely deeper realms of visionary experience that the mind is capable of producing then the DMT experience.
No. "datura/meth psychosis/madness" are not 'deeper' by any means. Most often(always?), random, inane and meaningless(your coat is your cat, blue static bugs). At best, B movie scary... But you are confused and amnesic for the most part so... Yeah, utterly useless and trivial states of mind... even(especially) when seeming perfectly real; Talking to your mom, who isn't there... yeah Lame.
Some Psychiatric conditions and a host of situations, of course, would certainly be able to trigger or allow a person a host of possible experiences and mental states.. But delirium is pretty wack.
LSD, DMT and the like have the power to change your entire perspective, belief system, life path; your basic existence boundaries and potentials...
Many states and experiences without drugs can trump any drug in depth and meaning; with similar ends as LSD/DMT experience. I imagine having the mind of Tesla or other naturally visionary person would be even more badass than ego death in the wook lot on DMT.
Yeah....Um.. Yeah.
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Re: Anything more powerful then DMT or Ayahuasca? [Re: Dickhead]
#14143561 - 03/18/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Powerful is subjective.
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Re: Anything more powerful then DMT or Ayahuasca? [Re: shadowman-x]
#14144505 - 03/18/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Go for a level 6 salvia trip and get back to me
If you've ever wandered what dying>afterlife>rebirth>dying>dreaming>back to normal is like then aim for salvinorin-A overdose.
fully formed people that you interact with and very strange situations / sensations / hallucinations from start to finish.
It's actually very wild and I'm glad I got there but I'm not sure I want to do that again because it really feels like dying and experiencing the afterlife or being torn from this universe completely. so fucked up.
5-meo is nice but when you go too far you feel like your heart is going to explode while you stop breathing.
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Re: Anything more powerful then DMT or Ayahuasca? [Re: lurkmode]
#14144635 - 03/18/11 06:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I heard there's a drug called Charlie Sheen that's supposed to be pretty damn intense. Something about your face melting off and your children weeping over your exploded body........
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Re: Anything more powerful then DMT or Ayahuasca? [Re: ThePhilosophizer] 1
#14144698 - 03/18/11 06:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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There was a thread somewhere with member talking about that.
I think it's called dimethyltryptasheen or something.
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Re: Anything more powerful then DMT or Ayahuasca? [Re: Remix]
#14144702 - 03/18/11 06:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Remix said: There was a thread somewhere with member talking about that.
I think it's called dimethyltryptasheen or something.
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Re: Anything more powerful then DMT or Ayahuasca? [Re: Azure Essence]
#14172269 - 03/23/11 07:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Azure Essence said: I think he means hallucinations like shadow people raping your soul in a sanskrit palace
As opposed to geometric shapes and colours and shit.
Is it possible to be raped by shadow people in a sanskrit palace at high doses of DMT?
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Re: Anything more powerful then DMT or Ayahuasca? [Re: Ginto]
#14172311 - 03/23/11 07:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anything can rape you on DMT, it's like shrooms, it's leads to homosexuality.
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Re: Anything more powerful then DMT or Ayahuasca? [Re: Ginto]
#14172342 - 03/23/11 08:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ginto said:
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Azure Essence said: I think he means hallucinations like shadow people raping your soul in a sanskrit palace
As opposed to geometric shapes and colours and shit.
Is it possible to be raped by shadow people in a sanskrit palace at high doses of DMT?
I'm pretty sure this could happen to you on a high enough dose of OTHER psychedelics, based on my DXM experiences and what I've read about the 4th plateau and beyond. So my money is on yes, DMT could do that.
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Re: Anything more powerful then DMT or Ayahuasca? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
#14172370 - 03/23/11 08:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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SamuelLJackson said: ive never done dramamine, but ive done benadryl which is very close to the same thing.
that shit is too much. at the time i lived in my parents house and i kept hallucinating that my mom was opening the door to my room and just standing in the doorway staring at me, and knew i was tripping. i would freak out and be like "what mom?" and then as soon as i blinked she would vanish.
the first delusion i experienced like that was some time at like 4 in the morning, i was in the bathroom pissing and at that point only felt very heavy. i finished pissing and then i was washing my hands when my sister began to talk to me, so i talked back. we had a full conversation. then i realized i was in the bathroom and my sister lived in another state.
another delusion i had was when i was downstairs watching tv. again, my sister began to talk to me and we held a conversation. at one point i turned to look at her (as i heard her voice from the other side of the sofa) and nobody was there. this creeped me out a little so i turned back to the tv to finish watching the show i was watching. it turns out the tv wasnt even on. i can only imagine what my mom would have thought had she walked downstairs and seen me talking to myself while staring intently at a blank tv.
that is some absolutely wild shit. but its intense in a completely different aspect than a regular psychedelic experience.
how much benadryl id you dose? i would really like to experince some fuking full on freeky shit ? was it worth it?
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Samuel L Jackson
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Re: Anything more powerful then DMT or Ayahuasca? [Re: harrisonbrtn]
#14172470 - 03/23/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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sunset_mission and i had a short conversation about it in LNC not that long ago, just read that.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14151481#14151481
it begins there, and then goes to the bottom of the page.
he at one point mentions taking 1gram of diphenhydramine, i guess hes just a crazy fucker because ive only ever taken 400mg and i felt exactly how i imagine schizophrenia being.
ummm, is it worth it.... hmmmmm..... uhhhhh. uhhhhhhhhhhhh. well shit. i dont know, im kind of neutral on it. you feel horrible physically the entire time. and it isnt euphoric. and you dont know that youre hallucinating until shit just starts vanishing right in front of your eyes.
its kind of terrifying.
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Re: Anything more powerful then DMT or Ayahuasca? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
#14172507 - 03/23/11 08:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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can you die from benadryl, and do you need a perscription? would you recomend 400? i would love to make my friends apear before my eyes and smack them around DDDD
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Samuel L Jackson
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Re: Anything more powerful then DMT or Ayahuasca? [Re: harrisonbrtn]
#14172594 - 03/23/11 08:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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harrisonbrtn said: can you die from benadryl, and do you need a perscription? would you recomend 400? i would love to make my friends apear before my eyes and smack them around DDDD
google, my friend.
(did you really just ask if benadryl was prescription only?)
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