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gooberhack



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First find?
#14138372 - 03/17/11 06:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Psilocybe naematoliformis?
Habitat: Clearing in large hard woods on very saturated rotting wood/rich dark soil. Gregarious.
Gills: White/cream in color, sinuate, crowded.
Stem: 4-4 1/2 cm long, 5mm in diameter, white, Length, diameter, color, texture, hollow/solid, thin/thick, etc.
Cap: 5cm in diameter, Hygrophanous, caramel when moist turning white as it drys. Starting umbonate but turns funnel shaped when old.
Spore print color: Dark purple
Bruising: Greenish blue on cap, dark blue on stem. Bruises easily.
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vjp
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Whats your location?
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gooberhack



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Re: First find? [Re: vjp]
#14138409 - 03/17/11 06:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ahh yes I forgot! Dekalb county Georgia.
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vjp
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maybe Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata
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Re: First find? [Re: vjp]
#14138630 - 03/17/11 06:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The gills in the first pic are mezmerizing, so cool
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Bobzimmer
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Sweet find!
The size seems a little big and the appearance doesn't seem right for Psilocybe naematoliformis. Could be ovoids...Can you give us more info on habit and habitat? Any more pics? What color do they dry?
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Re: First find? [Re: vjp]
#14138706 - 03/17/11 07:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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vjp said: maybe Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata
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gooberhack



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Too far south to be Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata I would think.. They dry white. Also subbulbous. In a low area that stays wet most of the year near a small creek. We just got a good amount of rain. They were in small clumps and alone, the ground was very very saturated
More pics
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This is seriously an epic find. If P. ovoidcystidiata does extend this far south, this interests me as I am directly in the range.
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The season and the annulus point to ovoids. This would be the first find from GA that I know of.
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The annulus almost goes away as they mature, the photographed one was the only obvious annulus I saw. They do look very much alike though...
Edited by gooberhack (03/17/11 07:28 PM)
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definitely worth keeping congrats
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gooberhack said: The annulus almost goes away as they mature, the photographed one was the only obvious annulus I saw. They do look very much alike though...
That's about right for ovoid annuli.
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logic points to P ovoids. man what a great find!! make sure to get those spores under a scope to confirm or deny this. way to go man!!
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Ieponumos said: This is seriously an epic find. If P. ovoidcystidiata does extend this far south, this interests me as I am directly in the range.

I drove with the paper bag they were in open as well as the windows.
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Not ovoids. Ovoids don't grow in GA. P.weilii have so many different appearances. They literally come in all size, shape, and color. Furthermore.. they can, and often do look very very similar to ovoids. If they were ovoids, that'd be cool, since it's in GA.
But I think it's just an early Weilii .
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that no one said anything like that before?...
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gooberhack said:
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Ieponumos said: This is seriously an epic find. If P. ovoidcystidiata does extend this far south, this interests me as I am directly in the range.

I drove with the paper bag they were in open as well as the windows. 
Spores are very strong and can travel far.
Well I'm definitely going to be searching by creeks more often as I'm in Whitfi3ld Co. This is a good day for Shroomery.
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that no one said anything like that before?...
I don't know. It could be as they have been found at this time of year, but I'd love to remain hopeful and potentially add another species to the list in this state. As soon as some microscopic work on the gills and spores gets done, the data will point in one direction or another.
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Hrmm good point weiliigod! Still would like to get the spores under a microscope just to be 100%
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that no one said anything like that before?...
I don't know. It could be as they have been found at this time of year, but I'd love to remain hopeful and potentially add another species to the list in this state. As soon as some microscopic work on the gills and spores gets done, the data will point in one direction or another.
Little too hopeful lol. Just because they were by a creek, and fruited in march does not give any evidence of them being ovoids! Weilii fruit in march and I've seen it first hand. Plus I know the weather has been PERFECT latley, (because I live there!) and it does not suprise me that there would be some finds! I highly doubt it's ovoids, that's just too good to be true. -- Either way, would love to see the habitat pics. Wouldn't surprise me at all if there were beetle infested pine trees all around -
Would love to be wrong though ... would be awesome to see such a cool find in GA .
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gooberhack said: Hrmm good point weiliigod! Still would like to get the spores under a microscope just to be 100%
Defiantly do.. I don't know why the ti's jumped all over it being an ovoid in mid Georgia? I don't know if it's because you said they were by a creek, or what?
They look like plenty of weilii i've seen before. Especially with this differance in shape on pic.2 Also, weilii will always "sun bake" and turn white exactly like that. (which ovoids, and almost all psilo's do anyways) . I'm just saying it's North.Ga we're talking about here, the weather has been perfect, the mushroom is heavily bruising, they have no distinct shape... they must be.....
Edited by weiliigod (03/17/11 08:03 PM)
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Bobzimmer
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weiliigod said:
that no one said anything like that before?...
I didn't suggest Psilocybe weilii because as far as I know they don't leave this much of an annulus, dry to darker colors, and the habitat didn't seem right. Was there any Loblolly Pine or Sweet Gum growing around? Red clay soil?
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that no one said anything like that before?...
I didn't suggest Psilocybe weilii because as far as I know they don't leave this much of an annulus, dry to darker colors, and the habitat didn't seem right. Was there any Loblolly Pine or Sweet Gum growing around? Red clay soil?
They come in so many differant shapes and sizes and they can and often will leave this much of an annulus, it's not super common but not unlikely either. Weilii will come in all differant shapes & sizes, sometimes showing different characteristics. (What i'm saying, is it's not like Id'ing a a liberty cap. ) they really have no 100% distinct factor due to the way they grow.. some look so different it really is quite amazing!
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There was no pine needles or red clay. Pine trees were scatted but not abundant. The soil was almost black and mud like. It was mostly privet understory with oaks and Osage.
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Bobzimmer
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Stating three times that weilii comes in many shapes and sizes isn't a particularly compelling argument. Ovoids come in a variety of shapes and sizes as well and with a persistent annulus in two separate shots, and a caramel cap color drying to white, I still think they more strongly resemble ovoids at this point.
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Could be,I've never seen any weilli in person so i cannot say how and if they ever bare any resemblance to Ovoideocystidiata,but i can say that yours definitely look like good ol ovoids for sure.Patiently awaiting results of microscopic work.Awesome find whatever it turns out to be!
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Bobzimmer said: Ovoids come in a variety of shapes and sizes as well and with a persistent annulus in two separate shots, and a caramel cap color drying to white, I still think they more strongly resemble ovoids at this point.
^ Agree
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 VERY neat habitat - and VERY neat finds!!!
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Haha sorry I did not even realize I typed that so many times. Those look like your' average weilii to me, the fact that they're in North Georgia makes it very hard to believe the ovoid thing.. but I do see where you are going with the hints point its way. But, weilii can look exactly the same & have many differant habitats. Would just be odd that the first ovoid found in the history of GA came all of asudden, by a poster that hasn't been around much. IDK though man, it's gonna be impossible to tell without microscopy -- Ovoids and Weilii look almost exactly alike
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Ieponumos
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Little too hopeful lol. Just because they were by a creek, and fruited in march does not give any evidence of them being ovoids! Weilii fruit in march and I've seen it first hand. Plus I know the weather has been PERFECT latley, (because I live there!) and it does not suprise me that there would be some finds! I highly doubt it's ovoids, that's just too good to be true. -- Either way, would love to see the habitat pics. Wouldn't surprise me at all if there were beetle infested pine trees all around -
Would love to be wrong though ... would be awesome to see such a cool find in GA .
I know weilii have been found in March (I thought I said that) and the weather has been good (and I live here in GA, too), but new things are being discovered all the time. Weilii are rarely found on hardwoods to my recollection and love more acidic things such as pine debris and red clay.
Regardless, it's all good. Let us celebrate for we have more data on actives.
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Haha sorry I did not even realize I typed that so many times. Those look like your' average weilii to me, the fact that they're in North Georgia makes it very hard to believe the ovoid thing.. but I do see where you are going with the hints point its way. But, weilii can look exactly the same & have many differant habitats. Would just be odd that the first ovoid found in the history of GA came all of asudden, by a poster that hasn't been around much. IDK though man, it's gonna be impossible to tell without microscopy -- Ovoids and Weilii look almost exactly alike
I can't argue with the NorthGeorgia logic. I would definitely be interested in seeing some microscopy. Either way, nice finds, Goob.
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Edited by Bobzimmer (03/17/11 08:54 PM)
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Nice photos gooberhack!
Soooo....
Who's doing the microscopy?
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St. Chibes said: Nice photos gooberhack!
Soooo....
Who's doing the microscopy?
I'm hoping Workman or Alan. They are more than qualified.
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St. Chibes said: Nice photos gooberhack!
Soooo....
Who's doing the microscopy?
I'm hoping Workman or Alan. They are more than qualified.
Yeah...
Gooberhack, do you have a scope?
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gooberhack said: There was no pine needles or red clay. Pine trees were scatted but not abundant. The soil was almost black and mud like. It was mostly privet understory with oaks and Osage.

Awesome habitat shot!! It looks like it may be a hefty producer too. It's fun seeing how many caramel caps you can count... I have to say that they look more like Ovoids than they do Weilii to me.. 
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Re: First find? [Re: Oreganic]
#14143276 - 03/18/11 01:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Spring psilocybes
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amilibertine
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weiliigod said: the fact that they're in North Georgia makes it very hard to believe the ovoid thing..
I dunno what these are but I do know that we have expanded the range for ovoids way beyond what we originally though. There have been finds in southern Kentucky, I wouldn't think it too much of a stretch to think they could be in Georgia?  Occurrence Map for Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata
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Man, exciting, that would be so sweet to know their range is that far. Shit, you may have just opened the Ovoid season in mid-march? Lol, if you have, I dub thee, sir Boomhunter.
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sorry 2 get off topic but im wondering about ovoid season. im in the ohio river valley and its been in the mid 60s and mid 40s at night. are these conditions sutable for early ovoids to start sproutin?? thanx guys!!
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Re: First find? [Re: crokms]
#14145547 - 03/18/11 09:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Could be P Atlantis or Atl#7. Too big for naematoliformis imo ( i have found all 3)and that is definitely not p weilii. Cool finds, send a sample out if you can and mystery shall be solved.
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gooberhack



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Going to send out spores this week. I wish I had my own scope.. On another note I went back out to the patch and found that it is actually about THREE TIMES the size I thought it was!! The ones I left to develop were a nice size and looks like I will get a 3rd flush! goob
PS I always leave some for the earth, animals, or humans.
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gooberhack said: Going to send out spores this week. I wish I had my own scope.. On another note I went back out to the patch and found that it is actually about THREE TIMES the size I thought it was!! The ones I left to develop were a nice size and looks like I will get a 3rd flush! goob
PS I always leave some for the earth, animals, or humans.
Sweet!
and that's good that you leave some behind.
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gooberhack said: Going to send out spores this week. I wish I had my own scope..
Please keep it posted brother I have a deep interest in the ensuing ID.
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Re: First find? [Re: Toe_Jam]
#14154070 - 03/20/11 02:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ive picked many of both..first picking weilii then ovoids..and Ive always said they do look very similar...ovoids grow from wood directly...and I would guess weilii..I would love to believe that ovoids grow down here though!!!! So lemme know how the study goes..but I say weilii...either way epic find!
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The question is were they terestrial or growing from rotted wood..and in that habitat pic it looks like weilii to me...no need to print..lol
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They are not weilii. Weilii do not have a defined annulus even remotely close to that. The gills although i have seen a few weilii like that, do not resemble them. They resemble atlantis to me by the color and and size, but again they need to be put under a scope to know for sure. I will bet a thousand dollars that there not P. Weilii. Weill do not grow in hard wood debree. What exactly is it about these that would make you guys think weilii other than being found in N. GA? Other than the location I really dont see a resemblance but the similarity of the cap color.
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The gills on this atlantis look very similar to the older 2 in pic 4 on ur first post. They are also very crowded like that when they are young, and in these next 2 pics you can see how pale the caps turn after picking just like yours.  This particular sample didnt have a very prenounced annulus but i have seen them with very solid veil rings just like in your second post.
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I think that the fact that there is no pine needles OR red clay and that some were growing right off wood might suggest that the are not Weili. But soon enough we shall know the spores are in the in the mail!!
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I don't know what it is, but I'm posting so I can follow this thread,
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weiliigod said: an early Weilii .
and this phrase is gonna haunt me, I'm rereading The End of the Matter by Alan Dean Foster and when I saw an early Weilii I heard it said in a sing song voice by the alien Ab, that follows Flinx around in the book, I'm doomed.
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Re: First find? [Re: falcon]
#14163547 - 03/22/11 08:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cant wait! Good finds Goob. Ive been keeping an eye out for same habitat while looking for morels. Very glad you got the spores sent off.
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I have plenty of pics of well defined annulas on weilii.....and know that its not impossible to find weilii on wood debris...i mean lizard king found cubes growing in mulch! but either way I guess someone will clear it up soon..and I caaaaaant waaaait! I dont know of too many people finding atlantis..but I guess its possible...definitely not ovoids though...if they are atlantis then ill be as excited as anyone..considering Ga. is my home! lol
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If you have plenty of pics of weilii with a well defined annulus around the stem id like to see it? I have seen lots of weilii with vail marks on the stem, but never a collar. I find atlantis every year very close to dekalb. Either way it will be cool to see.
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According to the definition I know of it says that an annulas could be a flaring type..that extends outward from the stip...lemme see if i can find it.......

Oh and heres a pic of weilii with those wavy gills
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I think atlantis is a good choice, but from what i've seen (on the site, not real life) atlantis tend to be small and a little more flimsy than the OP's mushrooms. I would be psyched if that's what it was though, i've been looking for atlantis for a long while... who knows, maybe i've found them and just thought they were Weilii.
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See I find them with a vail mark on the stem like that too Dickenz but these have a collar. Very different. We will know soon enough. btw weiliigod, Atlantis arent really flimsy. They just have a smaller stem and stature.
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Yeah I missed that pic of the veil remnants...so I went back to all my ovoid pics and...damn...heres a pic I have of Ps. ovoideocystidiata thats identical to the ones you found..

My question is do the base of the stems look like this?

I know Im still going and everyone is waiting on the print..but Im so excited to know what those are!! Now Im very hesitant to write off ovoids..and Id sure love to find some down here...I found all mine in West Virginia!
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Re: First find? [Re: Toe_Jam]
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Exact spore sizes will be coming shortly and better pics when my bro gets here with a different camera.
Its definitively not Psilocybe weilii - the spores are far to large.
It fits the description of Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata "SPORES:(7–) 8–9 (–12) × (5.5–) 6–7 (–8.5) µm, rhomboid or subrhomboid in face view, subellipsoid in side view, thick walled, wall 0.8–1.5 µm thick, yellowish brown, with a broad germ pore at one end and a short appendage at the other."
Does anyone have more information on Psilocybe atlantis spores?
edit: each box is 10um by 10um
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Re: First find? [Re: vjp]
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Exact spore sizes will be coming shortly and better pics when my bro gets here with a different camera.
Its definitively not Psilocybe weilii - the spores are far to large.
It fits the description of Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata "SPORES:(7–) 8–9 (–12) × (5.5–) 6–7 (–8.5) µm, rhomboid or subrhomboid in face view, subellipsoid in side view, thick walled, wall 0.8–1.5 µm thick, yellowish brown, with a broad germ pore at one end and a short appendage at the other."
Does anyone have more information on Psilocybe atlantis spores?
edit: each box is 10um by 10um
Did you get any gill samples? Also, here's Guzman's text on Psilocybe section Cordisporae
http://www.mediafire.com/?fvia47bfi498kdy
EDIT: ATL is a scelerotia forming species, so here's sect. Mexicanae
http://www.mediafire.com/?fei79f4g5ijg6cd
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No gill samples and thanks for the link.
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Re: First find? [Re: vjp]
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scroll down to workmans post close to the bottom.
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Soooooooo.....so far until atlantis is ruled out you guys are telling me that there is a very good chance of these being ovoids???????
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They look like they fit the description of it being sub-ellipsoidal and 6-7um wide but they look to be around the higher end in length. That's a pretty bad ass find whatever it is. I've not seen any pics of the Atlantis with an annulus either.
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Badass indeed!! and I will be hunting ovoid type habitats down here from this day forward!!! Already found a good location today to hunt as soon as we get some rain...hopefully tonight...I really cant wait to find out...and I am definitely gonna invest in a microscope soon!
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Awesome, it's crazy. I wonder just how far their range is? I can't wait till the season starts up here
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spores rhomboid to subrhomboid in faceview, subellipsoid in side view (8.6 - 11.4) x (5.4 - 7.7)μm 8.55 x 7.01 8.57 x 6.27 9.36 x 5.41 9.60 x 7.43 9.69 x 6.26 9.70 x 6.00 10.31 x 7.33 10.31 x 5.94 10.31 x 7.35 10.62 x 7.11 10.72 x 6.57 10.77 x 6.86 10.91 x 6.29 11.41 x 7.65
cell wall 0.6-1.2 μm
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1600x (10μm squares)
   
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I'm pretty sure these are Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata. Macroscopically they are a match and the large spores rule out P. weilii. Psilocybe atlantis is a plausible match in spores, but macroscopically I'd rule this species out.
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The spores for Psilocybe atlantis are "Spores: (8)9-10(11) by (5.5)6-6.5(7)"
Several of the spores had a width larger than 7um the largest spore width we found was 7.65.
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Re: First find? [Re: vjp]
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Awesome work, Goober, VJP, and Thinker! I'm proud to have just posted in this thread!
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11441721 The more i compare these the more I think they are different. Cap color is spot on but they don't have as prominent of a collar but everything else matches.
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Spore length is close. Spore lengths (7.8)9-10.2(11.5) micrometers
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The only way to definitively tell that these are ovoids is to do a DNA sequence. I don't know why nobody has suggested that this might be a new species. I just can't imagine that ovoids would grow in GA, it just seems way to far south.
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Re: First find? [Re: Kaiser]
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This is relevant to my interests.
ovoids haven't been recognized as a species for that long, it wouldn't be absolutely ridiculous for their range to be found to extend much further than is currently known.
Ovoids don't form sclerotia do they? If someone manages to cultivate these unknowns that could differentiate them from atlantis.
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Re: First find? [Re: rhave]
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Oh my god, this is awesome! I will be hunting Ovoid-like habitats from now on! AMAZING finds my friend! Amazing!
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Awesome!! I am very happy to know what they are AND to know that I extended the range!
Went back out earlier and there were plenty popping up once more with more to come! I can not be more happy!
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I just cant believe they havent been found before now..I guess they couldve been just mistaken for weilii..or they havent been here long and great things are to come..I definitely think the climate here would be perfect as these things love the humidity..especially if you can find very shady areas that hold a lot of moisture..these things could very easily become common here..but thats just my take...either way Im definitely doing a LOT of hunting this year.....
Now I believe it will be a race to see who can post new findings in different Counties of Ga.. ..
So with that said..... Fellas!!!!!!
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Well there not for sure ovoids yet right? Id like to hear a few more people chime in on this one. Workman where you is mang.
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Heres what Id love to see or know...what do the base of the stems look like when fresh on these..from what pics ive seen..atlantis doesnt have that fuzzy mycelium at the base of the stipe like ovoids do....all the ovoids ive found looked like this at the base...
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Another point as someone had metioned is that apparently atlantis also lack the annulas..so either these are ovoideocystidiata..or possibly another unnamed species??
Who knows...all I know is Im gonna hunt more of this habitat in the future here in the great state of Georgia! They can make em illegal to cultivate, but they cant keep em from growing!
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dickenz07 said: Another point as someone had metioned is that apparently atlantis also lack the annulas..so either these are ovoideocystidiata..or possibly another unnamed species??
Who knows...all I know is Im gonna hunt more of this habitat in the future here in the great state of Georgia! They can make em illegal to cultivate, but they cant keep em from growing! 
Trying to stop them from growing would be immoral from a scientific point of view. This is valuable mycological and ecological data Goober is finding.
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It would make sense if they live in GA that they'd be popping up now, as it is still too cool up north, but would probably be just right down south. I bet their season there is earlier, perhaps shorter because of how quickly things get warm in GA.
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Re: First find? [Re: Toe_Jam]
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E-in Liondragon said: It would make sense if they live in GA that they'd be popping up now, as it is still too cool up north, but would probably be just right down south. I bet their season there is earlier, perhaps shorter because of how quickly things get warm in GA.
It also depends on how much sun they get. If they're in shade by a stream or something, like OP suggests, the humidity and temperature would stay pretty nice for a while. I bet about June-July when we get our rainless (but still humid as Hell) Summer, they'll go dormant for a little while and pick back up with the rain.
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I would have so say WAY before June-July in GA, because it gets too hot up here in Ohio (even in shaded creek areas) by mid June at latest.
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E-in Liondragon said: I would have so say WAY before June-July in GA, because it gets too hot up here in Ohio (even in shaded creek areas) by mid June at latest.
I've not hunted them, but I figured the stream nearby would be a sufficient water source to keep them hydrated. I guess they don't take to the heat too well. Thanks for the information. Since you have IRL experience hunting them, I'll take your opinion over my own any day.
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gooberhack said: In a low area that stays wet most of the year near a small creek. We just got a good amount of rain. They were in small clumps and alone, the ground was very very saturated
More pics

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dickenz07 said: Another point as someone had metioned is that apparently atlantis also lack the annulas..so either these are ovoideocystidiata..or possibly another unnamed species??
Who knows...all I know is Im gonna hunt more of this habitat in the future here in the great state of Georgia! They can make em illegal to cultivate, but they cant keep em from growing! 
Trying to stop them from growing would be immoral from a scientific point of view. This is valuable mycological and ecological data Goober is finding.
I never said I wanted to...Im just upset that I cant buy spores in Ga, and was saying they can never stop us from picking wild ones..lol
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So it seems these guys are the the only things I can find! I found another very small patch about 1 mile from my house!!
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Good job man, can you post pics of the habitat?
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Sure thing, my camera is not with me right now but I will get pics as soon as I can.
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gooberhack said: So it seems these guys are the the only things I can find! I found another very small patch about 1 mile from my house!!
Exciting stuff dude, great posting.
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Re: First find? [Re: Toe_Jam]
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Did you ever get a chance to post some more pics of the new spot you found? Id really like Workman or someone to look at these and determine whether they are ovoids or something else. Goob have you sent out anyone else samples?
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I have not sent out to any one else but I did PM Workman..
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I would really like to see the very base of the stipe.
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If OP had sent gill tissue with the print this could have been resolved
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So can the gill tissue be dry? The base has small spike like fuzz that surround a bulb.
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Yes it can be dry and should be connected to the cap so the person checking it out knows the orientation of the gills.
You can cut the cap in half or even quarters, it doesn't take much
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Really does sound like ovoids, are you still finding them? Can you post some more pics?
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Do they look like this goob? Ovoids always look like this at the base...when fresh that is..
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After the recent rains and cool temps they have been putting out like crazy and are getting larger! I am about to head out and search surrounding areas and I will snap some pics.
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Take a lot of pictures please
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Pictures man pictures...
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Ok got picts....
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An example of it growing directly out of decaying Box Elder..
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The other habitat about 12 miles from the first patch. They are off in the left bottom corner.
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Well the base of that stem sure looks like ovoideocystidiata to me..only species Ive seen with mycelium growth like that.
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damn.
I'm in paulding county, anyone close to here find anything at all?
I have to go out and look now...
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I've been looking in Cobb in some areas that look a lot like that, no luck yet, maybe we're on the wrong side of the Chattahoochee. I might try Fulton.
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Re: First find? [Re: rhave]
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Ive been scouring Hall County..I know its prolly a bit early, but I figure I can pinpoint some good habitats before they start fruiting..Im hoping some more finds will be posted to determine the range and abundance...this could be a rare patch or a clue to something bigger..who knows
but nevertheless Ill be looking up this way!!
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The fact that he found 2 patches of them tells me that its probably not rare but just not really looked for in their habitat or right time of the year. Thanks for the habitat pics Goob, I think that will help. Im going out today for morels again so maybe i can scout around a little for these. Yhe place i find morels looks almost identical and Im only about 5 miles from Dekalb. Ill be sure to post anything.
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Did you take more pics?
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Thats why I dont think they are very common phish..where I find em in WV is a soggy wet bottom..a flood plain along a river and its loaded with sycamores..with all you morel hunters around here..its hard to believe they could be very common and noone notice them..but I guess we will see.
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I would say that they are not common at all, I have been searching very extensively and NOTHING. I did however find about 1 lbs of morels!
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gooberhack said: I would say that they are not common at all, I have been searching very extensively and NOTHING. I did however find about 1 lbs of morels!
Ive been hunting some as well, but Im in the Gainesville areaof Ga..so it may be a lil while later..Ive only been hunting smaller stream flood areas and fallen logs on stream banks, havent gotten to any significant habitat yet..gonna check out some areas of the chattahoochie river soon..maybe in the AM..Hopefully Ill find some weilii up this way who knows..but Im definitely gonna be searching for these..Ive found a bunch in WV around the Ohio and some small tributaries..and have always wondered if some of the spores could have gotten down this way...why not huh??
Just remember to be positive and appreciate everything and your bound to find more..and you can always start hunting weilii soon! My other Favorite!
Anyways happy hunting to anyone on the prowl for my FAVORITE species..and
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