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OfflineCynosure
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Pervuvian Torch cuttings (pictures!);
    #14136840 - 03/17/11 01:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hey guys..

I received these puppies today.  I must say I'm very excited to get them rooted.  This will be my first attempt at rooting a cutting and I believe I have read enough material to get me started.  However, I do have a few questions.

First, the pictures!



Starting off, are these actually Peruvian Torch cacti?  I've seen it in person before and searched many pictures to compare.  It looks similar enough in my book, but I'm no professional.

The biggest cutting (as you can see in the last picture where I've stood it up) has holes in it.  The holes go all the way through the cactus.  Will this heal?  Will it rot from the inside out?  I'm assuming I can still plant it.

As for the two cuttings that are sliced on each end (present in the second picture), how do I decide which end will root?  Does it matter?  Will the top seal back up to a more natural, rounded form?

Learned from the Shroomery, I'm going to stick them in a pot until they dry out and callouses start to form nicely.  I will then wait a couple of more weeks until I start to see roots forming.  After I see root growth, I will plant them fairly deep in very dry soil.  Once they've taken a hold in the soil, I will water them lightly for a few more weeks.  When I feel they are stable enough, I will plant them in more nutritious soil and water normally.  This is a bit vague, but does it sound somewhat correct?


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Re: Pervuvian Torch cuttings (pictures!); [Re: Cynosure]
    #14138269 - 03/17/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds good, although I'd be inclined to water them a bit after the roots have started to grow. Depends how dehydrated they are by that stage though. The most important thing is to keep them dry, warm and well ventilated before they have calloused.


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Re: Pervuvian Torch cuttings (pictures!); [Re: Cynosure]
    #14138502 - 03/17/11 06:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm having a feeling those are Trichocereus cuzcoensis and not T. peruvianus. Refer to this post to see why. Scroll down about a quarter of the page and you'll see the write up on cuzco/peruvianus. I'm saying this based on the spination arrangement which is very cuzco-like and the new spines should be a deep red/amber colour for peruvianus.



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The biggest cutting (as you can see in the last picture where I've stood it up) has holes in it.  The holes go all the way through the cactus.  Will this heal?  Will it rot from the inside out?  I'm assuming I can still plant it.





Those holes look kind of fresh so it might pay to wait for them to callus before planting them in soil. Just leave it somewhere in the shade to heal and once they've scabbed over you can plant in soil. By that time it may of already thrown out root nubs.

Also if that's the one in the third picture I would monitor that orange/red patch on the base. If it starts to go soft and mushy, cut off the rot with a sterilized, sharp knife, callus and plant.



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As for the two cuttings that are sliced on each end (present in the second picture), how do I decide which end will root?  Does it matter?  Will the top seal back up to a more natural, rounded form?





It does matter which end you plant, you don't want them upside down.:smile: The one in the picture on the left is orientated in the right way and can be planted and I think the one on the right is upside down in the picture.


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Re: Pervuvian Torch cuttings (pictures!); [Re: karode13]
    #14138541 - 03/17/11 06:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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It does matter which end you plant, you don't want them upside down.:smile: The one in the picture on the left is orientated in the right way and can be planted and I think the one on the right is upside down in the picture.




I thought this too, the middle one is right side up and the cutting on the right appears to be upside down.


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Re: Pervuvian Torch cuttings (pictures!); [Re: LbDub]
    #14138591 - 03/17/11 06:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah. You can just see the ridges through the spines which helps. I wasn't entirely sure about the second.


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Re: Pervuvian Torch cuttings (pictures!); [Re: karode13]
    #14144489 - 03/18/11 05:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Sounds good, although I'd be inclined to water them a bit after the roots have started to grow. Depends how dehydrated they are by that stage though. The most important thing is to keep them dry, warm and well ventilated before they have calloused.




Alright!  Many thanks! :thumbup:

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karode13 said:
I'm having a feeling those are Trichocereus cuzcoensis and not T. peruvianus. Refer to this post to see why. Scroll down about a quarter of the page and you'll see the write up on cuzco/peruvianus. I'm saying this based on the spination arrangement which is very cuzco-like and the new spines should be a deep red/amber colour for peruvianus.




Is anyone else able to confirm this?  I see the similarity and don't see a deep red spins on my cacti. =( 

That would be a bummer! :thumbdown:

Also, karode, thanks for the tips on planting them upright!  I will keep a close eye on them all as they all have the reddish at the cut sites.


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Re: Pervuvian Torch cuttings (pictures!); [Re: Cynosure]
    #14144529 - 03/18/11 05:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:lol: looks familiar


i never had any trouble planting a cactus that looked like that in soil straight up, i don't know maybe it effects the health. i tried one time actually mixing sand with the soil and evening out the mixture, seemed to work fine and helped drainage:shrug:


as for them being a different version and NOT peruvian torch, look at the thread mentioned. of course the younger spines on peruvian torch look very reddish. but those cactus in the picture have VERY old spines. look a picture of t peruvianus and i'm sure the older spines won't be as red.

if you get those to grow at all, i'd imagine the younger fresh spines would be VERY red, but how would I know :lol: i've never seen those ever:shrug:


it is true, when first callousing, try not to water the cactus freshly planted more than once lightly every 10 days, as for some reason it keeps the end from callousing which doesn't allow root growth. you want just enough water to feed the roots that are there and get them to grow further.


in this other picture you showed http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/9516771


the top cactus doesn't look at all to have the same spines of what was shown in the picture, very short and not all matching, i don't think those are pachanoi, but then i'm not expert


look at these picture of OLDER peruvian torch cactus spines, look similar?

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.bouncingbearbotanicals.com/images/peruvian-group.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.bouncingbearbotanicals.com/peruvian-torch-cactus-p-134.html&usg=__R_7T4BS0PTOc7kzZwoSpmcJ4Kr0=&h=360&w=480&sz=67&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=gSnJVPMBlXMvDM:&tbnh=133&tbnw=172&ei=lu-DTYeELcWdgQfMobzbCA&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtall%2Bperuvian%2Btorch%2Bcactus%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D677%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=296&oei=lu-DTYeELcWdgQfMobzbCA&page=1&ndsp=27&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&tx=113&ty=54


http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.xplanta.com/wp-content/uploads/flowers-on-san-pedros-web.jpg&imgrefurl=http://peruviantorch.dbzworld.org/&usg=__pIXuTLvJu6u4Qk9W6hzEU


http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.cactuslimon.com/images/Peruvianus_small.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.cactuslimon.com/&usg=__-zcJ2Mu8dDc0QhNZmz1hJKjvA-Y=&h=333&w=250&sz=15&hl=en&start=6&zoom=1&tbnid=yhCzCv9ringNCM:&tbnh=119&tbnw=89&ei=lu-DTYeELcWdgQfMobzbCA&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtall%2Bperuvian%2Btorch%2Bcactus%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D677%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1


and although this picture shows how there are cactus that look very very similar to peruvian torch, i must be inclined that from this picture, the ones on the right look most to me like that cyosure posted in his pictures


http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.sanpedrocactus1.com/kk2006/torches88.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.sanpedrocactus1.com/seedgrown_varieties.htm&usg=__5HaIfhGwpdQjae5kxAM6aVE4hL4=&h=418&w=398&sz=94&hl=en&start=19&zoom=1&tbnid=kGH-zzezofz54M:&tbnh=125&tbnw=119&ei=lu-DTYeELcWdgQfMobzbCA&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtall%2Bperuvian%2Btorch%2Bcactus%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26biw%3D1024%26bih%3D677%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1


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Re: Pervuvian Torch cuttings (pictures!); [Re: imachavel]
    #14144595 - 03/18/11 06:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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:lol: looks familiar




=D  Ah, yes!

I'm not doubting you.. nor will I want to redo our decision (I will grow them either way!). 

They look exactly the same as both cacti (in my opinion);  I was just hoping that a professional cactus grower could comment and say "yes this is pervuainus!".


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Re: Pervuvian Torch cuttings (pictures!); [Re: Cynosure]
    #14144621 - 03/18/11 06:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

indeed


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