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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: twighead]
    #14134680 - 03/17/11 12:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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And you as well as I know how difficult it can be to get someone to accept that... which is why I generally don't try in the first place :lol:  oft more to be lost than gained.



There is absolutely nothing to be lost. Worst case scenario they leave exactly as dumb as they started. Best case, they learn something. IMO that makes it criminal not to try.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: crazyboy25]
    #14134845 - 03/17/11 01:21 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think I was ever an all-out atheist.  I always had sense of spirituality.  Before I started using psychedelics, I was basically a naturalistic pantheist (a Spinozist, if you will) with some interest in Buddhism.  But overall I would say I wasn't all that spiritual.  Psychedelics, particularly LSD, definitely shifted gears for me.  I had what evangelicals refer to as a "born again" experience.  I've never been the same since.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: crazyboy25]
    #14134867 - 03/17/11 01:28 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I was spiritual before psychedelics... I have always felt called.
And taking psychedelics has only enhanced my growth and my
spirituality for the better.

Short version!

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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: PreparationH]
    #14135792 - 03/17/11 09:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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then what is spirituality by your definition? If you're spiritual you shouldn't have to think twice about defining it.




you don't have to think twice to know what it is, but spirit defies all definition


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: g00ru]
    #14136094 - 03/17/11 10:38 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Lol yea ok hahahahahaha

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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14136153 - 03/17/11 10:53 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I'm an atheist, and I have more spirit than any of these sheeple evangelicals I'm forced to live with, ironically. What I am not, is religious.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: blujay]
    #14136239 - 03/17/11 11:17 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

mostly counterculture exposed me to a side of spirituality that is vastly different than pop judeo-christianity. dmt and ayahuasca both changed my outlook drastically though.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: millzy]
    #14136279 - 03/17/11 11:26 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Was not spritual, did psychedelics, still not spiritual. But I meditate.

You guys that bcame spiritual... you need to keep in touch with reality... a psychedelic trip is a dru...it aint real.

Dont let it afect you to much... for entertaiment only...

Even more...dont let it change you


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Patlal]
    #14136298 - 03/17/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Psychedelics have changed me much for the better... or so I think.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Patlal]
    #14136375 - 03/17/11 11:53 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Was not spritual, did psychedelics, still not spiritual. But I meditate.

You guys that bcame spiritual... you need to keep in touch with reality... a psychedelic trip is a dru...it aint real.

Dont let it afect you to much... for entertaiment only...

Even more...dont let it change you




i don't think i'm alone when i ask this, but.........huh?


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: millzy]
    #14136616 - 03/17/11 12:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Was not spritual, did psychedelics, still not spiritual. But I meditate.

You guys that bcame spiritual... you need to keep in touch with reality... a psychedelic trip is a dru...it aint real.

Dont let it afect you to much... for entertaiment only...

Even more...dont let it change you




i don't think i'm alone when i ask this, but.........huh?



I think he's saying psychedelic experiences aren't "real" and therefore don't count.  I can understand the sentiment, but for me it's a matter of whether we or not we live in a teleological universe.  Of course the things you see on psychedelics aren't necessarily to be taken as literal absolute truth, but I think they can open us up to experiences which offer opportunities for personal transformation.  I feel like some of the psychedelic experiences I've had were meant to show me something important.  So I would say that psychedelic experiences, while not necessarily a clear window into the nature of reality, can at least point you in the direction of something you've been oblivious to before.  I could go further into discussing the difference between the correspondence theory of truth which Patlal is assuming versus the pragmatic theory of truth, but I think I'll leave it there for now.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14136647 - 03/17/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The changes in perception associated with psychedelic drugs may appear to be evidence of a teleological universe; but the boring truth is probably much less supernatural. There's nothing about tripping balls a neurochemist can't explain in rudimentary terms.

Another big thing I think you've got to keep in mind is that perception =/= reality. Remember, you're seeing light bouncing off those tits. Though you're probably not thinking about that while she's jumping on a trampoline.

Does that make any sense? I think the tits metaphor might have been too much.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Patlal]
    #14136691 - 03/17/11 01:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Was not spritual, did psychedelics, still not spiritual. But I meditate.

You guys that bcame spiritual... you need to keep in touch with reality... a psychedelic trip is a dru...it aint real.

Dont let it afect you to much... for entertaiment only...

Even more...dont let it change you




Says who?

I say anything learned on psychedelics is just as valuable sober. Of course once I saw a ghost in my house but I don't think its haunted because of the experience. But psychedelics made me really ponder the question of god, and showed me that I was looking at the concept of god all wrong. Now I'm spiritual because of that revelation (that honestly didnt occur during a trip but while processing the evenets of the trip in a sober state).

Ya gotta pick and choose what pieces of your trips you choose to assimilate. Just like you have to pick and choose which pieces of life to assimilate. We all shut things out. I've read so much about buddhism and meditation but I'm still not a daily meditator. I just havent put what I've learned into practice yet :shrug:


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: blujay]
    #14136704 - 03/17/11 01:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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The changes in perception associated with psychedelic drugs may appear to be evidence of a teleological universe; but the boring truth is probably much less supernatural. There's nothing about tripping balls a neurochemist can't explain in rudimentary terms.



A neurochemist could presumably explain your experience of reading these words on the screen in rudimentary terms.  Except not really, because perception is more than just neurons firing.  It requires an external referent.  Same thing with psychedelics.  Neurology can explain what neurons in the brain are firing when you're tripping, but it can't explain the content of the trip.

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Another big thing I think you've got to keep in mind is that perception =/= reality. Remember, you're seeing light bouncing off those tits. Though you're probably not thinking about that while she's jumping on a trampoline.



Perception is not reality, but perception is the only way we can know reality.  If we say things aren't really as they appear, all that means is that they will appear differently if looked at from a different perspective.  Looking at someone's skin from the naked eye is different from looking at it under a microscope.  Reality, then, is simply the story we tell to weave together all the different perspectives we have in such a way as to get them all to make sense.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14136721 - 03/17/11 01:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

They definitely have. They made go from agnostic Christian, to atheist, to something more along the lines of a Buddhist or Hindu... but I'd say I have my own religion.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: blujay]
    #14136783 - 03/17/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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There's nothing about tripping balls a neurochemist can't explain in rudimentary terms.




entity contact has not been explained as of yet by any school of medicine. and as far as i know psychedelics in general are still a pretty big mystery to the scientific community. beyond that, how can anything we experience not be real? these things may not be physical phenomena, but that doesn't make them any less real. our mind isn't part of physical reality but yet the general consensus is that it's most certainly there. and when you get into concepts that influence our mythology, culture and technology like moral perfection, mathematical perfection, infinity etc., none of which manifest on the physical plane, one can't help but see that reality is imbued with the intangible, and quite dependent on it at that. to deny the existence of the metaphysical aspect of being is to deny reality altogether imo.

but really, that's neither her nor there though because, in my opinion, the meat of the psychedelic experience lies beyond its ontological implications. whether or not the things we encounter, the voices we hear that don't seem to be our own etc., are aspects of our highest selves or actually autonomous, intelligent beings waiting on the other side of the curtain doesn't change what people can and do take away from the psychedelic experience, which is very real, even if it's just a night of fun with their friends.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14136902 - 03/17/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Was not spritual, did psychedelics, still not spiritual. But I meditate.

You guys that bcame spiritual... you need to keep in touch with reality... a psychedelic trip is a dru...it aint real.

Dont let it afect you to much... for entertaiment only...

Even more...dont let it change you




i don't think i'm alone when i ask this, but.........huh?



I think he's saying psychedelic experiences aren't "real" and therefore don't count.  I can understand the sentiment, but for me it's a matter of whether we or not we live in a teleological universe.  Of course the things you see on psychedelics aren't necessarily to be taken as literal absolute truth, but I think they can open us up to experiences which offer opportunities for personal transformation.  I feel like some of the psychedelic experiences I've had were meant to show me something important.  So I would say that psychedelic experiences, while not necessarily a clear window into the nature of reality, can at least point you in the direction of something you've been oblivious to before.  I could go further into discussing the difference between the correspondence theory of truth which Patlal is assuming versus the pragmatic theory of truth, but I think I'll leave it there for now.




lol wow.

Great post, well written

Complicated words aside, what I meant is that, yes its an experience.

Of course you learn from it. But you gotta keep in mind that everything you feel, think and process is the drug. Yes it might offer you an opportunity for personal transformation BUT you can do this transformation while sober. The trip just gives you the illusion that without it, youcould not achieve this transformation. Which is false.

Than again, I love them psychedelics and for some reasn i'm playing the devils advocate...

Just enjoy them!


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Patlal]
    #14136943 - 03/17/11 02:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

People experience thing that aren't real all the time.

Why, just last night I was drug raided and shot three times! Then I woke up.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: blujay]
    #14137166 - 03/17/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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People experience thing that aren't real all the time.

Why, just last night I was drug raided and shot three times! Then I woke up.



If it wasn't real, you wouldn't experience it.  The question is: In what context is it real?


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14137442 - 03/17/11 03:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i find that i can not vote
psychedelics or not, i have always struggled with my faith
and too many drugs have dissipated my spirituality


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