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Re: should steroids be ok in professional sports.... [Re: Hakim0777]
#14136444 - 03/17/11 12:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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, I actually just read that the murder/suicide was found to not be fueled by "roid-rage":
Chris Benoit - Wikipedia
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Benoit was found to have Xanax, hydrocodone, and an elevated level of testosterone, caused by a synthetic form of the hormone, in his system. The chief medical examiner attributed the testosterone level to Benoit possibly being treated for a deficiency caused by previous steroid abuse or testicular insufficiency. There was no indication that anything in Benoit's body contributed to his violent behavior that led to the murder-suicide, concluding that there was no "roid-rage" involved.
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Re: should steroids be ok in professional sports.... [Re: Eminence]
#14137650 - 03/17/11 04:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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frylock91 said: I wonder why steroid experts and famous steroid users that have been using for many years also say that roid rage isn't a true happening then.
Idk what those guys were doing wrong for sure, but I felt great the whole time. Again, they must have fucked up their PCT and ruined their hormones in the end or something, because with that amount of testosterone going through them they should be in great moods.
i have MS and the infusions they gave me were a cocktail of steroids. it fucked me up. i gained 30 lbs in 6 weeks of treatment and felt horrible, moon faced and hypersensitivity to everything. muscles sore, and tired all the time. it sucked huge donkey dork. but regulated is sorta more what i was thinkin.
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Re: should steroids be ok in professional sports.... [Re: sajahand]
#14137666 - 03/17/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes, especially mixed martial arts. I want to see fucking giant freaks go to war in the cage. Fill em up with all kinds of good shit, whatever entertains me.
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Re: should steroids be ok in professional sports.... [Re: Frost]
#14137735 - 03/17/11 04:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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fuck roids the only reason people use roids is because they are insecure about themselves so they cheat fuck roids
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Re: should steroids be ok in professional sports.... [Re: joshstins420]
#14137990 - 03/17/11 05:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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No, if that were the case that would mean people who simply exercise are insecure, but that's not how it is.
Steroids are for people who want badly to get to their goals but are impatient about it, or people who have hit their genetic plateau and want something to push them further than they can get naturally, nothing more.
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Re: should steroids be ok in professional sports.... [Re: sajahand]
#14138043 - 03/17/11 05:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm sorry about that man. But you weren't given them in the same fashion as an athlete would use them..Someone using them for athletic gains don't gain that much weight without busting their asses in the gym, you were clearly given more than an athlete would use and/or you weren't being given the necessary ancillaries to keep you hormones and other bodily functions in check.
Your lethargy came from a decrease in testosterone and/or a spike in estrogen. I'm sure you weren't given HCG every day or every other day while taking them correct? That would have kept your hormones stable after you finished taking them.
I'm not saying they have no danger potential, just that with responsible and well informed use, you can use them in many cycles while staying healthy, although you do need other drugs to help out with your body though.
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Re: should steroids be ok in professional sports.... [Re: Eminence]
#14138170 - 03/17/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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frylock91 said: I'm sorry about that man. But you weren't given them in the same fashion as an athlete would use them..Someone using them for athletic gains don't gain that much weight without busting their asses in the gym, you were clearly given more than an athlete would use and/or you weren't being given the necessary ancillaries to keep you hormones and other bodily functions in check.
Your lethargy came from a decrease in testosterone and/or a spike in estrogen. I'm sure you weren't given HCG every day or every other day while taking them correct? That would have kept your hormones stable after you finished taking them.
I'm not saying they have no danger potential, just that with responsible and well informed use, you can use them in many cycles while staying healthy, although you do need other drugs to help out with your body though.
not sure if not having any female hormones any more would have made it worse or not. i had an infusion every week for 6 weeks, then every2 weeks for 2 months and once a month for 3 months. not sure what they had put me all on. you ever see that fruit-cake that had his biceps burst? prob still on utube some place, had a huge blood sack filled nasty thing, goofy bastard.
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Re: should steroids be ok in professional sports.... [Re: sajahand]
#14138183 - 03/17/11 05:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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No.
Not everyone wants to do steroids. If they allowed them in professional sports, then the only people who would have a chance would be all the roid-heads. That would completely destroy the integrity of the game. Sports are a natural competition between human beings. Steroids are cheating.
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Re: should steroids be ok in professional sports.... [Re: sajahand]
#14138192 - 03/17/11 05:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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sajahand said: not sure if not having any female hormones any more would have made it worse or not. i had an infusion every week for 6 weeks, then every2 weeks for 2 months and once a month for 3 months. not sure what they had put me all on. you ever see that fruit-cake that had his biceps burst? prob still on utube some place, had a huge blood sack filled nasty thing, goofy bastard.
That guy was injecting massive amounts of synthol into his biceps which isn't an anabolic steroid, its just an oil that fills up whatever muscle you inject it into like a water balloon.
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Re: should steroids be ok in professional sports.... [Re: 1EyeCries]
#14138195 - 03/17/11 05:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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marbletulip said: I've said for years they need an all steroid MLB. Do away with the pitcher and use a machine. Also use aluminum bats and play on golf courses because everyone is going to be hitting dingers.
thats a fucking killer idea, id watch that over todays baseball any day, full contact on the bases though
that's retarded. It would be home run after home run after home run. Baseball is an amazing game BECAUSE of the pitcher. The deception, the trickyness of the pitches, the mind-fuck that occurs between batter & pitcher doesn't exist anywhere else in sports. Baseball is the best.
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Re: should steroids be ok in professional sports.... [Re: sajahand]
#14138225 - 03/17/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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sajahand said: do you think that the pro-sports should allow the use of steroids for the amusement of the fans? do you think it would be more competitive and interesting to watch? i love hockey, and think it would give me a giggle if some players would just wig out on each other more. yes i understand that they (steroids) are dangerous, but so is driving a car drunk, and eating at mac & dons in my town.
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Re: should steroids be ok in professional sports.... [Re: Rumblefishtwist]
#14138253 - 03/17/11 05:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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sajahand said: not sure if not having any female hormones any more would have made it worse or not. i had an infusion every week for 6 weeks, then every2 weeks for 2 months and once a month for 3 months. not sure what they had put me all on. you ever see that fruit-cake that had his biceps burst? prob still on utube some place, had a huge blood sack filled nasty thing, goofy bastard.
That guy was injecting massive amounts of synthol into his biceps which isn't an anabolic steroid, its just an oil that fills up whatever muscle you inject it into like a water balloon.
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sajahand said: not sure if not having any female hormones any more would have made it worse or not. i had an infusion every week for 6 weeks, then every2 weeks for 2 months and once a month for 3 months. not sure what they had put me all on. you ever see that fruit-cake that had his biceps burst? prob still on utube some place, had a huge blood sack filled nasty thing, goofy bastard.
That guy was injecting massive amounts of synthol into his biceps which isn't an anabolic steroid, its just an oil that fills up whatever muscle you inject it into like a water balloon.
i should have watched closer. i have no idea about steroids, just thought it would be interesting to see what other people say. but the bicep guy IS a goofy bastard tho
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Re: should steroids be ok in professional sports.... [Re: sajahand] 1
#14138282 - 03/17/11 06:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hormone imbalances can cause all sorts of shit. None that I know of are serious though. But yeah lethargy is definitely a side effect of imbalances. But I remember that guy, I think his name is Thomas Galvin. He did use roids, but what cuased that to happen was excessive use of something called synthol.
It's basically this oil with some ingredient that you inject into your muscle and it stretches your muscle fascia. It's not anabolic, it just loosens up the protective layer of tissue around your muscle so it can grow easier and have more room to grow outwards. But it often ends up in weird looking muscles.
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Re: should steroids be ok in professional sports.... [Re: Mello Kitty]
#14138292 - 03/17/11 06:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ellenallien said: i do not like sports at all but steroids would make things way more interesting
Why is that? Multiple options suddenly pop up in my head ... care to elaborate in a PM?
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Re: should steroids be ok in professional sports.... [Re: Eminence]
#14138366 - 03/17/11 06:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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thanks, understand more. i been on prednisone off and on for years, just as anti- inflammatory, asthma, and MS. it works wonders, but really hate comin off of them. if someone is on steroids for muscle mass, if they stop, will the muscles go back to 'normal' even with exercise?
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Re: should steroids be ok in professional sports.... [Re: sajahand]
#14138499 - 03/17/11 06:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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sajahand said: thanks, understand more. i been on prednisone off and on for years, just as anti- inflammatory, asthma, and MS. it works wonders, but really hate comin off of them. if someone is on steroids for muscle mass, if they stop, will the muscles go back to 'normal' even with exercise?
There are many different types of anabolic steroids that build muscle mass, each having a different effect on the body(how much muscle they can build, toxicity, side effects etc..)
Generally when someone finishes a cycle some of the acquired muscle while on the steroid cycle is lost, but if said person follows proper PCT(post cycle therapy) a great diet, and continues quality exercise a great portion or in some cases maybe all of muscle acquired on the cycle can be kept, genetics also play a role in this.
Steroids also affect different people differently, some people you know may be on steroids and you would never even be able to tell, not all people get huge on them. Many bodybuilders I know typically gain around 8-12 lb per cycle, and a cycle of standard testosterone typically lasts 4-5 weeks if I remember correctly. its not just an instant get huge overnight shot like most people think, discipline, diet and training all play equally important roles in steroid usage.
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Re: should steroids be ok in professional sports.... [Re: sajahand]
#14138554 - 03/17/11 06:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes they can, but if proper actions are made then it can be avoided. The reason you hear of people losing muscle mass after stopping their use is because of a rebound in catabolic hormones like estrogen and cortisone.
Cortisol is a stress hormone that is released during strenuous and excessive activities like running long distances and heavy long duration weight training sessions.
A lot of cortisol is built up during cycles because when you're on steroids, you're more aggressive with the weights, you lift harder, lift longer, and that causes a lot of stress. The steroids counter the muscle wasting effects of cortisol because testosterone increases nitrogen retention and that's what holds protein.
So once you go off cycle, the hormones leave you, while all the catabolic hormones remain, so in order to retain your gains, you need to jump start you natural testosterone production to counter the elevated estrogen and get rid of the cortisol.
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Re: should steroids be ok in professional sports.... [Re: Rumblefishtwist]
#14138577 - 03/17/11 06:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good info. But testosterone cycles typically last between 8 and 12 weeks. Harsher roids like trenbolone acetate are usually run for shorter durations.
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Re: should steroids be ok in professional sports.... [Re: joshstins420]
#14294851 - 04/15/11 10:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Look at
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joshstins420 said:"steroids are for faggots" - bas rutten
Says a man whos been known to have MUCH above the normal testosterone range of your average man lol.
The point is, its NEVER a level playing field regardless of the sport. In fighting you have things like reach advantage. Look at Usain Bolt and and the sheer length of his stride. Some people are genetically superior, doesn't exactly guarantee they'll win unless they can capitalise on their advantage... but they do have the advantage. Fuck, Tiger Woods went and got eye surgery to improve his eyesight, thats performance enhancement right there. Look at endurance athletes sleeping in hypoxic chambers to increase their red blood cell count...
When it comes to pro sports and elite competition, there's a lot of money, reputation, futures and glory at stake. What would YOU do to win if your lifestyle depended on it? You sure as fuck aint goin in there to lose.
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Re: should steroids be ok in professional sports.... [Re: sajahand]
#14294888 - 04/15/11 10:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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There should be a performance enhancement league for all sports, not just for steroids but cyberneticx implants and whatever will be devised to have athletes perform well beyond their natural limits.
But, there should always remain a "Naturals" league because sports is also something spiritual, about being the best man you can be with the tools nature traditionally gave you.
In the first three hours you let the Naturals run the New York Marathon, then an hour and 45 minutes for the Roidmonkeys then reserve the last 15 minutes to have the Cyborgs run it
the Perfect sporting event.
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