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woah...I think pro-Ghadaffi people are an extinct species?
    #14135590 - 03/17/11 07:49 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

So I know I'm probably get a lot of heat for saying this, but whatever.

Am I one of the only few people who thinks that Muamar should NOT be overthrown?
I honestly think that the region will be more stable with him around.
Hell...I'd rather see him stay in power than some crazy ass Islamist.

Second to Saudi Arabians, Libyans made up the second largest demographic of the "foreign fighters" category in post-invasion Iraq insurgency movements. I bet you those same boys are running back home from around the world to teach these "representatives of the people" how to build IEDs.

Anyway, a friend of mine made a couple of points in regards to this subject using economic data. You can see it here: http://bit.ly/efc4Mc

Long live Col. Ghadaffi
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Re: woah...I think pro-Ghadaffi people are an extinct species? [Re: Tien]
    #14137736 - 03/17/11 04:46 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

So what your saying is that you're pro genocide?  :stalin:


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Re: woah...I think pro-Ghadaffi people are an extinct species? [Re: Tien]
    #14138107 - 03/17/11 05:37 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Today, the UN voted in favor of a no fly zone. Soon to follow air strikes, probably.  It's probably a day late and a dollar short.  Gadhafi said he would attack passenger jets in response.  I think he put the final nail in his coffin with that comment. It's a no win situation in my eyes.  There's no easy way out.  A bullet or predator drone to the head wouldn't end the violence, it would probably lead to violent civil war.  Although, the best chance at ending the violence may be to arm the rebels and let them take him out.  Or just stay out of it and hope the rebels can pull it off.

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Re: woah...I think pro-Ghadaffi people are an extinct species? [Re: despisedicon]
    #14138997 - 03/17/11 07:47 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I am not pro-genocide.

I can't however - BLINDLY believe what the media is telling me. Ghadaffi a bad a guy, rebels good guys. I just don't think it's one of those black and white scenarios.
Ghadaffi has a lot of support in his country...how do you think he managed to stay in power for so long...obviously not just by force.

The rebellion does not have as much support in the west of the country. It started in Benghazi and spread to a few towns outwards. The territory gained by the rebels in the west, was gained by force. Nobody is innocent here.

If I get 20 or 30 thousand people together, give them automatic weapons and tell you we are the true representatives of the people, would you buy it?

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Re: woah...I think pro-Ghadaffi people are an extinct species? [Re: Tien]
    #14139050 - 03/17/11 07:56 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

My opinion is it is not the role of The West to determine who runs Libya. I say they should duke it out amongst themselves to see who should run the place. I feel the same for Egypt and any other country.

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Re: woah...I think pro-Ghadaffi people are an extinct species? [Re: lines]
    #14139629 - 03/17/11 09:29 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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My opinion is it is not the role of The West to determine who runs Libya. I say they should duke it out amongst themselves to see who should run the place. I feel the same for Egypt and any other country.




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Re: woah...I think pro-Ghadaffi people are an extinct species? [Re: lines]
    #14139712 - 03/17/11 09:40 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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My opinion is it is not the role of The West to determine who runs Libya. I say they should duke it out amongst themselves to see who should run the place. I feel the same for Egypt and any other country.





What would we do with our Army?:mad2:


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Re: woah...I think pro-Ghadaffi people are an extinct species? [Re: Tien]
    #14139729 - 03/17/11 09:43 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I am not pro-genocide.

I can't however - BLINDLY believe what the media is telling me. Ghadaffi a bad a guy, rebels good guys. I just don't think it's one of those black and white scenarios.
Ghadaffi has a lot of support in his country...how do you think he managed to stay in power for so long...obviously not just by force.

The rebellion does not have as much support in the west of the country. It started in Benghazi and spread to a few towns outwards. The territory gained by the rebels in the west, was gained by force. Nobody is innocent here.

If I get 20 or 30 thousand people together, give them automatic weapons and tell you we are the true representatives of the people, would you buy it?



Ghadaffi is using anti aircraft guns, heavy artillery, and air strikes to kill innocent civilians, allot of this news comes directly from the people there and not from the media. You sir are ignorant to support such a brutal dictator. The only reason he has been able to keep power is because he is hiring mercenaries, and is practically bribing his remaining supporters with money. It is beyond me how anyone with half a brain, could support this psycho. I however do not believe in foreign  intervention, It is not the job of other countries  to  police the world.


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Re: woah...I think pro-Ghadaffi people are an extinct species? [Re: Tien]
    #14140293 - 03/17/11 10:49 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

He has not only threatened to take out passenger jets, but has already done so.  He has ordered his military to attack his own civilians, yet rather than comply, his military is defecting in droves.  His sons have defected.  His UN delegates have defected.  You really think he has lots of support at home?  The only reason he is still in power is because he happened to keep control of most of the heavy weapons and he has spent years training foreign mercenaries which he is paying out the ass to fight for him now.  He has a lot of resources, popular support is not one of them.

If I wasn't such a pussy I'd be over there kicking his ass right now.

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Re: woah...I think pro-Ghadaffi people are an extinct species? [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14140508 - 03/17/11 11:23 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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He has not only threatened to take out passenger jets, but has already done so.  He has ordered his military to attack his own civilians, yet rather than comply, his military is defecting in droves.  His sons have defected.  His UN delegates have defected.  You really think he has lots of support at home?  The only reason he is still in power is because he happened to keep control of most of the heavy weapons and he has spent years training foreign mercenaries which he is paying out the ass to fight for him now.  He has a lot of resources, popular support is not one of them.

If I wasn't such a pussy I'd be over there kicking his ass right now.




idk about that, man.

These people don't look like they're ballin' out on Ghadaffi's cash.

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Re: woah...I think pro-Ghadaffi people are an extinct species? [Re: Tien]
    #14140534 - 03/17/11 11:26 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

i don't know what side to take. being neutral however is being on the side of the imperialist though. there is now a no-fly zone which will cost money. I believe that the United states did in fact get the middle east to change is probably a tradeoff for selling lybia's oil.

In fact this is a tough trade, since no democracy for lybia is good for the radical anti-imperialist who want to cut funds from the United States at all cost. Fact is Gaddafi deserves some respect for not being like ben ali and having 680 million hidden somewhere. i think that this is all over.

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Re: woah...I think pro-Ghadaffi people are an extinct species? [Re: Tien]
    #14140842 - 03/18/11 12:19 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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These people don't look like they're ballin' out on Ghadaffi's cash.





So what?

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Re: woah...I think pro-Ghadaffi people are an extinct species? [Re: communeart]
    #14140855 - 03/18/11 12:21 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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i think that this is all over.




Ghadaffi's forces are a couple of hours outside of Benghazi atm.

I think they are battling it out for Ajdabiya right now...everything should be dealt with before the weekend is up.

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Re: woah...I think pro-Ghadaffi people are an extinct species? [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14140861 - 03/18/11 12:22 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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These people don't look like they're ballin' out on Ghadaffi's cash.





So what?




What do you mean so what?

These people are standing up for something they BELIEVE..that's what.

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Re: woah...I think pro-Ghadaffi people are an extinct species? [Re: Tien]
    #14140917 - 03/18/11 12:33 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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These people don't look like they're ballin' out on Ghadaffi's cash.





So what?




What do you mean so what?

These people are standing up for something they BELIEVE..that's what.




How do you know that?

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Re: woah...I think pro-Ghadaffi people are an extinct species? [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14140943 - 03/18/11 12:38 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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These people don't look like they're ballin' out on Ghadaffi's cash.





So what?




What do you mean so what?

These people are standing up for something they BELIEVE..that's what.




How do you know that?




I think you should implement google and look for some videos taken from behind the lines in Tripoli and other parts of west Libya.

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Re: woah...I think pro-Ghadaffi people are an extinct species? [Re: Tien]
    #14141075 - 03/18/11 01:05 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Again, what do they prove?

When I was in Cuba, the government required everyone to take the day off work one day and show up at one particular square in front of the US interests building, whereupon they passed out little cuban flags to everyone and commanded them to all wave them in the air and shout at the same time.  Even school kids had to come out.  It looked really happy and like a real, authentic rally.  In reality, nobody there gave a fuck, they were just going through the motions, and it was all over in half an hour.  Just enough time to snap some video...

The word is that people have been carrying photos of Qadaffi when going outside in Qadaffi-controlled areas just so they don't accidentally look like a protester and thereby stand less chance of being rounded up, beaten down, and or shot on the spot.  Put a gun to my head and I'll hold a picture of anyone you want and I'll look really enthusiastic while doing so...

You don't see what happened to the people in Qadaffi-controlled areas who weren't all gung-ho about looking like they supported him, because a)they didn't last very long, and b)Qadaffi has tight controls on the media.

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Re: woah...I think pro-Ghadaffi people are an extinct species? [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14147500 - 03/19/11 08:58 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

French fighter jets are flying over Bengasi.


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    #14147526 - 03/19/11 09:04 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

So it begins. British and Canadian jets have joined the French. Sarkozi has announced the beginning of the military operations against the Ghadaffi regime.


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Re: woah...I think pro-Ghadaffi people are an extinct species? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #14147936 - 03/19/11 11:04 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

It's about time those feckless cunts stepped up to the table.

I'm going to open the question for all the Anti Iraq War nitwits who support this but not that.

I what way is it more appropriate to remove Ghaddafi than it was Saddam?


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    #14147952 - 03/19/11 11:09 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

It appears it will be operationally easier to remove Ghaddafi, which is one of the most important aspects of attacking.

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    #14148018 - 03/19/11 11:28 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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He has not only threatened to take out passenger jets, but has already done so.  He has ordered his military to attack his own civilians, yet rather than comply, his military is defecting in droves.  His sons have defected.  His UN delegates have defected.  You really think he has lots of support at home?  The only reason he is still in power is because he happened to keep control of most of the heavy weapons and he has spent years training foreign mercenaries which he is paying out the ass to fight for him now.  He has a lot of resources, popular support is not one of them.

If I wasn't such a pussy I'd be over there kicking his ass right now.





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    #14148120 - 03/19/11 11:55 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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It appears it will be operationally easier to remove Ghaddafi, which is one of the most important aspects of attacking.



It wasn't that hard to remove Saddam.  It was the rest of it that was a little difficult


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    #14148133 - 03/19/11 11:59 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Yea that true, and an important distinction.

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    #14148678 - 03/19/11 02:22 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Although, the best chance at ending the violence may be to arm the rebels and let them take him out.




we've done that before, didn't end to well as I recall? :smirk:


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    #14150829 - 03/19/11 09:26 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

We should support gaddafi, the rebels are not worth more than the west.

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    #14151161 - 03/19/11 10:34 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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We should support gaddafi, the rebels are not worth more than the west.



What are you talking about?

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    #14151943 - 03/20/11 01:30 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The rebels are simply conservatives and liberals, they are all outdated political parties. at least for countries outside the united states.

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    #14154926 - 03/20/11 05:13 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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The rebels are simply conservatives and liberals, they are all outdated political parties. at least for countries outside the united states.




I still don't know what you're talking about.

You realize that Qaddafi has not only fired on his own citizens, but has taken out a passenger jet full of foreigners and has stated recently and publicly that he will resume attacking passenger jets, right?  Or were you unaware?  If so, how do you have any opinion on this?

You can't be serious.

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Re: woah...I think pro-Ghadaffi people are an extinct species? [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14156882 - 03/20/11 10:45 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

idk how people can be so ignorant, either they are misinformed, or they dont care to know whats really going on. I admit its not easy to figure out whats true and whats propaganda but what he has done and is doing is fairly clear, not to mention he admits everything.

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I think you should implement google and look for some videos taken from behind the lines in Tripoli and other parts of west Libya.




um maybe it is you, who needs to google and look up some videos. :facepalm:


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