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Empiricism and how everyone forms their own ideas
    #14123054 - 03/15/11 12:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

... about existence of life.

Therefore, they can't properly tell you that one view is a certain way. It could be the opposite. Or it could be completely different in what it is or isn't.

This could be true about any number of assertions...

Therefore...no one has the correct assertion about life (why we exist? <--interesting question in that no one can definitely say they have the answer to.)

+This could also be said about any other idea we form.

So, no one is correct. In any assertion.

Not even me, because this is my view.

But I could say the same thing about anyone else's view. As could anyone else to any other person other then them.

Therefore, reality is subjective because we have genetically different DNA and everyone's brain operates differently.

Therefore, there is no one "true" reality...it is experienced completely differently to everyone from everyone else.

So what is reality, then?

Just a bunch of ideas?


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Re: Empiricism and how everyone forms their own ideas [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #14123206 - 03/15/11 12:50 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Empiricism and how everyone forms their own ideas [Re: deCypher]
    #14123302 - 03/15/11 01:14 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Reality is what YOU make it. Your reality and my reality are different. My reality and my sister's reality are different. Everybody experiences and perceives things differently.

Honestly, I don't think anybody has any right to judge anyone. I know I judge people at times and am therefore a hypocrite, but it is true. I let people do whatever they want as long as they don't involve me if I don't want to be involved, and therefore I want you to give me the same respect.


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Re: Empiricism and how everyone forms their own ideas [Re: Joolz]
    #14123641 - 03/15/11 03:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Reality is what YOU make it. Your reality and my reality are different. My reality and my sister's reality are different. Everybody experiences and perceives things differently.

Honestly, I don't think anybody has any right to judge anyone. I know I judge people at times and am therefore a hypocrite, but it is true. I let people do whatever they want as long as they don't involve me if I don't want to be involved, and therefore I want you to give me the same respect.




Definitely! I completely agree with your post, yet many people still judge each other. I too, am guilty and a hypocrite.

So I respect you.

And thank you deCypher for that link! :smile:

Interesting theory. Respect for you too.


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Re: Empiricism and how everyone forms their own ideas [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #14123652 - 03/15/11 03:44 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

silly humans:monkeydance:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Empiricism and how everyone forms their own ideas [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #14123701 - 03/15/11 04:25 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I totally despise judgmental people! :mad2:


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Re: Empiricism and how everyone forms their own ideas [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14123970 - 03/15/11 07:45 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I totally despise judgmental people! :mad2:




But we all do it.


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Re: Empiricism and how everyone forms their own ideas [Re: Joolz]
    #14124044 - 03/15/11 08:13 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Reality is what YOU make it. Your reality and my reality are different. My reality and my sister's reality are different. Everybody experiences and perceives things differently.





What is to be gained by defining reality to be the same as perception?  And if you do so, then what do you define as that which exists regardless of perception?  Shouldn't that be reality?

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Re: Empiricism and how everyone forms their own ideas [Re: DieCommie]
    #14124291 - 03/15/11 09:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Joolz said:
Reality is what YOU make it. Your reality and my reality are different. My reality and my sister's reality are different. Everybody experiences and perceives things differently.





What is to be gained by defining reality to be the same as perception?  And if you do so, then what do you define as that which exists regardless of perception?  Shouldn't that be reality?




I've never worried about that which exists when I am not witnessing it. As to what is to be gained? I don't know, life? What do we gain here on this Earth but knowledge or at least our feeble attempts at it. I'm just trying to communicate my thoughts, but its always so difficult. I'd much rather communicate the whole "lsd" way, if I could make that up on the spot.

Basically, that's where you and a friend take LSD, then hang out, and think the same things over and over. You try talking about them, but then you just cut each other off and go "yeah man I'm right there with you". Then about halfway through the trip, you realize you haven't said a single, complete sentence to this person where they haven't been like "OMG YEAH I KNOW RIGHT?" right after, and then you just laugh for 30 minutes.

That's the best kind of communication imo. Idk where my ramblings have taken me. Did I answer your question?:confused:


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Re: Empiricism and how everyone forms their own ideas [Re: Joolz]
    #14124301 - 03/15/11 09:44 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Did I answer your question?




No, not really.  It doesn't make sense to define reality and perception exactly the same while leaving "that which exists regardless of perception" undefined.

Perception is not reality.

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Re: Empiricism and how everyone forms their own ideas [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #14124502 - 03/15/11 10:43 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Therefore...no one has the correct assertion about life (why we exist? <--interesting question in that no one can definitely say they have the answer to.)




We can pool our assertions together and find the one's that match the most. Although monotheistic religons have for much of recorded history been the public's majority assertion, and they have been dynamic.

This question, 'why do we exist?' seems a bit silly for the same reason. To take the question seriously one must assume that there is a singular 'reason' that we exist, maybe the 'reason' is as dynamic as our existence itself.




~Monk

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Re: Empiricism and how everyone forms their own ideas [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14134484 - 03/16/11 11:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I totally despise judgmental people! :mad2:




Hahahaha...that's good. Clever.

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This question, 'why do we exist?' seems a bit silly for the same reason. To take the question seriously one must assume that there is a singular 'reason' that we exist, maybe the 'reason' is as dynamic as our existence itself.




I'm not sure I quite follow. I'll take a guess...

The reason why we exist is because our existence is so profound?

But then again, everything that exists has a purpose, does it not? Even bacteria, for example. They feed off sources of "food" for sustenance, just as we do. Their purpose is to continue to mutate so they can still survive? Though, I don't understand the "driving force" behind something so primitive as bacteria. They don't have any "will to live", so why do they exist in the first place?

Is it somewhat of a balance of nature?


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Re: Empiricism and how everyone forms their own ideas [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #14138773 - 03/17/11 07:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Monk is just saying that there is no singular reason to live. People's reasons for living are all different, therefore there is no singular answer to the question "why do we exist?" I exist for love, drugs, sex, food, video games, and the list goes on. I'm sure you and I match up on some things, but there will also be other things that we don't match up on, and we're only two people out of billions.

Bacteria exist to further Mother Earth. They were created because there is a need for them for the ecosystem as a whole to grow (imo).


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Re: Empiricism and how everyone forms their own ideas [Re: DieCommie] * 1
    #14138819 - 03/17/11 07:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Joolz said:
Reality is what YOU make it. Your reality and my reality are different. My reality and my sister's reality are different. Everybody experiences and perceives things differently.





What is to be gained by defining reality to be the same as perception?  And if you do so, then what do you define as that which exists regardless of perception?  Shouldn't that be reality?




I don't know... You can make up emotionally appealing statements and justify any view you'd like to hold by simply redefining words.  Then you can post about it on a message board and hopefully confuse everyone as to what you're trying to say.

Defining perception to be "reality" is as stupid and counterproductive as the old equivocation of defining "god" to be the "universe".  It radically changes the meaning of the word and conveys false impressions to people.  Far as I can see, its only useful to fend off reality from closing in on those beliefs you emotionally want to hold.  If you confuse yourself enough, you can convince yourself that your idea isn't easily disproven, and go on believing in it :thumbup:

It's called "enlightenment"

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