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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: pkbrep]
#14481950 - 05/19/11 11:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yup confirmed on the fact they dont taste so bad. Much tastier than subs/secos.
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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: dubsideofthemoon]
#14482433 - 05/20/11 02:03 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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dubsideofthemoon said: Is that P. Subaeruginosa you're growing Blazer420?
sure is man
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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: Blazer420]
#14482713 - 05/20/11 03:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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They taste a lot like alfalfa / water sprout. They seem to take longer to come up than subs and they generally aren't as harsh on the body, but I haven't had enough to say for sure other than taste.
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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: FreshShrooms]
#14487586 - 05/21/11 12:01 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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So, I've never done shrooms or hunted for 'em before. But this year, I decided I'd try. Having zero experience, does anyone have any tips on how to find them in Wellington?
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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: KiwiGroove]
#14487887 - 05/21/11 01:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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KiwiGroove said: So, I've never done shrooms or hunted for 'em before. But this year, I decided I'd try. Having zero experience, does anyone have any tips on how to find them in Wellington?
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ndubz said: Long time lurker here. Spent about 6 hours hunting so far this season and come back empty handed each time. Anybody got any tips? Starting to think I'm never going to find any.. wellington region btw
Tip #1 : You are on the Shroomery, the wealth of knowledge about what you are looking for can be aquired here very easily by using the search function, I suggest you try.
#2 : Know thy sub, learn what this mushrooms needs to grow. The time for subs is now. Looking in grass in mostly useless, these are woodlovers, you NEED dead wood.
The council is your friend, and so are woodchips, they have a relationship, just like the shrooms and the chips. Next to the motorway you will often see flax and shit sourounded by woodchips, these are pretty much the best areas to search, just park out of pig-sight.
#3 : Be stealthy when you hit public patches, or even motorway patches when the cars can see you, dont be afraid to get down and commando around. As much as it sucks, NZ pigs are onto shrooming, and some of them will A-class slam you into the cell of oppression.
#4, the most important in my books. Never give up, never. The first time you find actives you will truly appreciate what all the effort was for, and after that this will all become easy, just keep trying.
This is great advice, you're looking for the tan colour wood chip, not typical playground bark. They do tend to grow around flax or other bushes, just look for council laid wood chipped area's and you'll be sweet 
In the more public patches I pick them and put them in a pile, and only put them in a paper bag once I'm done picking and have a bit of a scope around for pigs, that way if I'm approached its easier to say I dropped some money and was looking for it..hard to say that with a pocket full of mushrooms (not actually sure of the effectiveness of this, luckily never been approached)
And i definitely echo what sumO said about persistence, if you find nothing in the first hour of your hunt and have time, keep going, it'll be rewarded, and once you find your first few patches you'll have a much greater intuition as to where they are.
Good luck! Also do some research on the experience to know what to expect, its a trip, not a high like bud.
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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: dubsideofthemoon]
#14488020 - 05/21/11 02:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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KiwiGroove said: So, I've never done shrooms or hunted for 'em before. But this year, I decided I'd try. Having zero experience, does anyone have any tips on how to find them in Wellington?
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ndubz said: Long time lurker here. Spent about 6 hours hunting so far this season and come back empty handed each time. Anybody got any tips? Starting to think I'm never going to find any.. wellington region btw
Tip #1 : You are on the Shroomery, the wealth of knowledge about what you are looking for can be aquired here very easily by using the search function, I suggest you try.
#2 : Know thy sub, learn what this mushrooms needs to grow. The time for subs is now. Looking in grass in mostly useless, these are woodlovers, you NEED dead wood.
The council is your friend, and so are woodchips, they have a relationship, just like the shrooms and the chips. Next to the motorway you will often see flax and shit sourounded by woodchips, these are pretty much the best areas to search, just park out of pig-sight.
#3 : Be stealthy when you hit public patches, or even motorway patches when the cars can see you, dont be afraid to get down and commando around. As much as it sucks, NZ pigs are onto shrooming, and some of them will A-class slam you into the cell of oppression.
#4, the most important in my books. Never give up, never. The first time you find actives you will truly appreciate what all the effort was for, and after that this will all become easy, just keep trying.
This is great advice, you're looking for the tan colour wood chip, not typical playground bark. They do tend to grow around flax or other bushes, just look for council laid wood chipped area's and you'll be sweet 
In the more public patches I pick them and put them in a pile, and only put them in a paper bag once I'm done picking and have a bit of a scope around for pigs, that way if I'm approached its easier to say I dropped some money and was looking for it..hard to say that with a pocket full of mushrooms (not actually sure of the effectiveness of this, luckily never been approached)
And i definitely echo what sumO said about persistence, if you find nothing in the first hour of your hunt and have time, keep going, it'll be rewarded, and once you find your first few patches you'll have a much greater intuition as to where they are.
Good luck! Also do some research on the experience to know what to expect, its a trip, not a high like bud.
Yeah, I've done Acid before, I'm not a total noob. Haha. The front of massey comes to mind for those woodchips. Might have to plan a walk up to Karori and maybe Botans to have a looksie as well.
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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: KiwiGroove]
#14488216 - 05/21/11 03:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Damnit, this thread has got me itching for a look. Will have to venture out tomorrow!
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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: Danke]
#14492336 - 05/22/11 01:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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ID needed.



Found a load of these by a hedge at a grave yard, on the north shore. Looks like someone had uprooted them a few days ago. There are several clumps, they seemed to all branch off from a single point. Guess they are well on the way to rotting. Grabbed one, trying to get a spore print tonight.
1. What are they, the clumps look like subs... had a look through all NZ images I could find.
2. Are they any use in this state of decay?
3. If they are active, should I go back and get the rest?
Hope someone can help, just starting to look around this season.
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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: 0Solaris0]
#14492403 - 05/22/11 01:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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The season threads are not for IDs. You should start your own thread for an ID request and include the information it asks for.
That said... 1. They appear to be a Gymnopilus sp. (They don't like a sub at all) 2. Depend on what you want to do with them. I wouldn't eat them. 3. They do not appear to be active.
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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: TimmiT]
#14492519 - 05/22/11 02:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey does any one know of magic mushrooms growing around Oamaru? Or Otago etc
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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: Lewisrb420]
#14492590 - 05/22/11 03:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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They grow everywhere.
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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: Danke]
#14492622 - 05/22/11 03:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Found a lot of subs in different locations around the central Nth Island in the last 10 days or so, but only had the camera handy on one occasion in Rotorua yesterday for the smallest and least numerous finds!
Found a new patch in Gisborne last week which was going ballistic. The largest mature clumps were 50-75mm diameter wavy caps, with so many spores dumped the caps were practically black. All thick, meaty specimens, with lots and lots of pins adjacent.
These are from Rotorua: (classic NZ subs??)
I was struck by the differences between these and the ones I find locally in Gisborne, and the fact that the pics above are completely consistent with other finds I have made previously in the Bay of Plenty: much smaller, light tan colour, prominent nipple, less waviness in the cap; whereas here in Poverty Bay they are considerably larger, often darker more (deep) caramel colour, absolutely no nipple, really wavy inverted caps.
Way stronger too (Poverty Bay/Gisborne).
Are they really the same? I'm not convinced. Do local conditions have this much influence? I have always found it strange that locally I have never seen the prominent nipple in Gisborne that is evident throughout so many other photos on the NZ threads. In fact the subs I am familiar with locally are very rounded on top when pinning, tending towards being concave as they mature, the opposite of the nipple, as in this pic:
These are from Gisborne: (no nipple on pins, indented cap, much darker colouration etc)

Also found it noteworthy the difference a flash makes to the same image:
(with flash (check the spore colouration))
(without flash)
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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: captain goodvibes]
#14494234 - 05/22/11 02:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Captain, very interesting post, thanks for your observations.
Yeah I guess we could have at least a couple of scenarios going on here.
Environmental variation aside, we could have the normal "subs" i.e. P. subaeruginosa plus P. cyanescens which could be the bigger wavier guys.
Or else we have what might be considered as subspecies i.e. ones that all still fit under the broader description of P. subaeruginosa but do differ within this.
Or we have "normal" P. sub plus another similar but slightly different unnamed species.
This could be related back to the origin of the strains from overseas, think of different ones being imported e.g. hiding in some woodchips or soil with plants imported from different places (before NZ biosecurity rules became so stringent) So local variants could be ones that came from different places and succesfully adapted to dominate those areas.
But again it all comes back to the question: how do we define a fungal species?.Just people trying to classify/pigeonhole something.
Actually your bigger ones looked like the big ones recently posted by others (Auckland?)
The only way to sort this out properly is a study looking at the microscopic morphology of a lot of collections from different areas in NZ, along with some DNA sequence work involving several gene regions. Maybe hampered by the fact that the dried specimens are illegal to possess! The earlier study of Psilocybe in NZ by Johnston and Buchanan at Landcare Research was sponsored by the police.
It would be good if we could say "Its alright constable, I am in fact not a wacked out druggie, indeed just a wacked out fungal taxonomist. Here's my official Psilocybe collecting permit".
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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: woodchip]
#14494390 - 05/22/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Theyre the same species. And it does come down to region + substrate tbh
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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: xthrx]
#14494523 - 05/22/11 03:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Maybe you're right, and it is just down to environmental influences.
As an interesting way to test this hypothesis, I may attempt to propagate an example of each in identical environments, to compare the results. I have attempted to propagate the BOP strain before, but have not had a successful fruiting, whereas the PB strain colonized vigorously and fruited well the following April, which is a further indication that they may not be exactly the same.
On the other hand, xthrx has 1000s of times more experience (I'm not being sarcastic) with the natural variation of subaeruginosa in NZ, so I may indeed be barking up the wrong tree. Should be interesting all the same.
Any advice on control factors to consider in this experiment welcomed, or subaeruginosa propagation tek. I currently have viable mycelium samples from each.
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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: captain goodvibes]
#14494683 - 05/22/11 03:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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If we consider them the same species then there will be different "strains" with some more vigorous, better fruiting etc. E.g think of different varieties of apples, kiwifruits, weed etc.
Also I know some people consider P. sub and P. cyanescens to be the same species, whereas others firmly think they are well-differentiated species.
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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: woodchip]
#14494760 - 05/22/11 04:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, I wasn't disputing that they were subs, but rather that they exhibited different characteristics, as you have noted, so I guess I am positing that they are likely simply different strains.
What I have noticed is that these different characteristics appear to be consistent between the two differing groups, in my experience.
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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: captain goodvibes]
#14495612 - 05/22/11 07:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes. It is difficult to know where to draw the line sometimes for fungal "species". Everyone has a different take on it. For instance some people would definitely consider the variation you have seen as indicative of 2 different species, others as morphologically (at least in macroscopic terms) different strains.
Sometimes you see older descriptions of fungal species where they say stuff like "this is a very variable species". in many cases where authors said this the species in question was often later split up into two or more species, often based on differences in DNA sequences, but also usually with some minor morphological differences too. But you can also get some species that are just really variable!
The basidiospores are formed thru some kind of sexual reproduction, so some mushroom 'children' can be the same or some will be different slightly from their 'parents'.
So if we consider the stouter, wavier (& stronger!?) ones are different strains/subspecies/varieties then these maybe are the ones that have become predominant in Gisborne, maybe with occurrences/patches in other areas.
Someone needs to a "Goldtop road trip" in the season and gather and compare specimens from Invercargill to the far North!
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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: woodchip]
#14495985 - 05/22/11 08:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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"Any advice on control factors to consider in this experiment welcomed, or subaeruginosa propagation tek. I currently have viable mycelium samples from each." Rain IMO the most important factors are humidity and the type/quality of sunlight. Essentially water and light You could use shadecloth if you wanted to control for light.
I know that rain can affect their appearance too, but I don't know if it's from the weight of the water or it is a growth change or a bit of both. But some sort of watering control would be interesting
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Re: *THE OFFICIAL New Zealand Mushroom Season THREAD 2011* [Re: FreshShrooms]
#14496807 - 05/22/11 11:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lol some peeps been in a spot and threw a can right by it.. Douches.
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