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I find it hard to believe..
    #14134183 - 03/16/11 10:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So I talked to this guy. He starts telling me that he made a BRF and vermiculite casing. He said all he did was mix up the traditional BRF and verm as you would for jars, put all the mixture in a small tupperware container, and inoculated it with B+, then covered it with sterile moist coarse verm, put it up, and had a bountiful fruit...i called bullshit, but the dude swears to me it worked.....being a newbie myself, I'd like to hear some other opinions.....thanks.


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: Lotus_444]
    #14134185 - 03/16/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

He didn't pressure cook it?


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: Lotus_444]
    #14134192 - 03/16/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No sterilizing? I call B.S., and if it did work it wont the next 99 times he tries it.


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: Masticore]
    #14134202 - 03/16/11 10:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

no, he said he pressured cooked it in jars, then dumped the jars into a tupperware container to get a better harvest?! IDK...sounds fishy to me...i just gave him a rashion of shit, but moral of the story is, he wants to place a wager, however i want to know if he was BSing me or what? is this really possible?


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: Lotus_444]
    #14134232 - 03/16/11 10:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

you can crumble up cakes and case, and get fruits..but you wont get no more then if you would a cake.


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: biologys]
    #14134249 - 03/16/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yea, thats how this conversation started in the first place. I had indeed crumbled up cakes into tupperware, and am in the middle of my first flush. This guy is trying to tell me i can "skip the middle man" middle man being the inoculation of the jars, and just "squirt my spores" straight into the mixture when its in the tupperware...think he's just talking shit ya know?


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: Lotus_444]
    #14134284 - 03/16/11 11:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

well, as long as he sterilized it, then he could do it in the tupperware containers.


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: biologys]
    #14134291 - 03/16/11 11:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds plausible. Not the best way to do things though.


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: Masticore]
    #14134334 - 03/16/11 11:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I was thinking the same...probably not the best way...While i am here tonight, i do have an important question myself...I have a syringe of Golden teach, And one of B+. How would you folks recommend me growing them? I probably want what everyone else wants man, a good harvest, but also a successful grow....damn Newbies..:smile:


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: Lotus_444]
    #14134378 - 03/16/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

stick with pf cake, its more fool proof then grains and spawning to bulk.


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: Lotus_444]
    #14134408 - 03/16/11 11:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

outgrow.com by rye bags compost bags a brick of coir, do a monotub.  sticking a hot needle in something that comes garenteed sterile to your door is fool proof serisouly.  his products = noob heaven.


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: biologys]
    #14134423 - 03/16/11 11:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thank you. I Will. A quick question...why is it important not to inoculate a jar with too much spore solution? why stick with the 1/4cc per hole or 1cc per jar? i promise ill get a book soon!:0 speaking of, could you recommend a good mushie grow bible?


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: Grungeman17]
    #14134438 - 03/16/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I Need A Book. Seriously. I want To get serious about this, but am far to undereducated...


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: Lotus_444]
    #14134442 - 03/16/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: Lotus_444]
    #14134445 - 03/16/11 11:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i'd get the video's instead of a book, RR's video's will teach you anything ya need to know. mushroomvideos.com


and the more spores you shoot into a jar, the more strain's you're going several strains battling over the food...it only takes 2 spores to match and begin colonizing..


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: biologys]
    #14134466 - 03/16/11 11:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

There was one occasion when I first started growing where I transferred a partly colonized cake to a zip lock bag of pf cake mix in open air it colonized and fruited without contaminates.....At first I thought that it could be done but soon found out I was just extraordinarily lucky that one time. :wink:


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: biologys]
    #14134477 - 03/16/11 11:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i Would Love to do the video's, buuttt...for some reason, my sound on the computer doesn't work....i even bought a plastic storage shed and put stainless shelving, and humidity/ temp control unit in. thats how serious i am...its like my little laboratory...now i just need experience, and knowledge...:wink:


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: HybridprX]
    #14134518 - 03/16/11 11:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

LISTEN, IM SURE IT'S BEEN SAID BEFORE, BUT..." I AM SURE GLAD I FOUND THIS SIGHT.!!!" WHAT A GREAT BUNCH OF PEOPLE HERE. FULL OF KNOWLEDGE, AND HELPFULL TO BOOT... THANK YOU EVERYONE...


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: Lotus_444]
    #14134584 - 03/17/11 12:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i ment, order the 2 disc dvd set, and watch it lol instead of buying a book


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: Lotus_444]
    #14134825 - 03/17/11 01:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Why is it that when some wierd question pops up all of a sudden 100 + people are there to answer it:P:P And when I ASK SOMETHING..its like ...*beep* you got..0..answers today..and..two..bad ratings..*beep*
Every time I tell ya...

hehehe...

About that question.

Unsterilized substrate will contaminate for sure. Substrate grown in sterile cond. and then chucked into containers may not. Interesting tough, since I have been thinking of trying that myself...

Good thread..good show...

:P:P Allright..see ya soon:)


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: biologys] * 1
    #14134963 - 03/17/11 02:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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biologys said:
stick with pf cake, its more fool proof then grains and spawning to bulk.




And jacking off is more full-proof than getting laid - doesn't mean it's better...


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: tibberous]
    #14134979 - 03/17/11 02:05 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

sigh...i always give advice to go with grains and bulk if they feel comfortable...alwys get bitched at for it, so the ONE TIME i tell someone to go with pf cakes, and i get sarcasm........not cool at all.


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: biologys]
    #14135120 - 03/17/11 02:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

jacking off has nothing to do with nothing... :confused:

to answer the original question, i concur with the luck factor.  and his logic about cutting out the middle man doesn't make much sense.

standard way:
prep, sterilize, inoculate, colonize, crumble, fruit

his way:
prep, sterilize, crumble, inoculate, colonize, fruit

still has the same steps, just in a different, and less sterile manner. so you can call him an idiot for that at least if it helps to recoup from his shit talking.

pf tek is best for beginners for numerous reasons. good luck OP


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: tibberous]
    #14135167 - 03/17/11 03:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

tibberous said:
Quote:

biologys said:
stick with pf cake, its more fool proof then grains and spawning to bulk.




And jacking off is more full-proof than getting laid - doesn't mean it's better...




what a awsome analogy, lol that was great.


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: ChronicSmoke]
    #14135168 - 03/17/11 03:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

biologys said:
sigh...i always give advice to go with grains and bulk if they feel comfortable...alwys get bitched at for it, so the ONE TIME i tell someone to go with pf cakes, and i get sarcasm........not cool at all.




ill vouge for that, youve always said u only did cakes once, and to be honest you and doc pretty much sold the idea too me.

it was a funny analogy, I bet youll never recomend cakes again.


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: tibberous]
    #14135395 - 03/17/11 06:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

LULZ...

Cakes rule!


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: kdmmontana]
    #14136043 - 03/17/11 10:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

im sorry but with the availabilities of pre sterilized spawn pf cakes and that are 50/50 on the easy scale i don't care what anyone says on that matter... i've heard to much on noobs trying to atain brf and verm and just dumbshit... GOING STRAIGHT TO BULK CAN BE ACHIEVED BY FIRST TIME NOOBS... for under 50 dollars including spores... read it, learn it, except it, but learning to make and prep your own grains should become a beginners priority after successful growing, I just trying to break up this pattern that all noobs should start with brf, there's options.


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: Grungeman17]
    #14136440 - 03/17/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Starting out with grains requires a higher investment than PF cakes, and they're about as fool proof as it gets. I started out with grains and I still tell people to learn the PF tek first.


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: Masticore]
    #14136574 - 03/17/11 12:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, I've been trying to get it out there that PF cakes are, IME, way more of a pain in the ass than doing bulk substrate.

Doing grains is fucking easy. It's faster (in terms of colonization), it's easier to get ingredients for it, it's less labor intensive, and spawning to bulk poo (or even coir) can give you such a ridiculous amount of shrooms that you won't have to do but maybe one or two grows in a year to satisfy you and all your friends.

Check out this tek:
http://www.shroomery.org/9030/Docs-Wild-Bird-Seed-Tek

This is how I always did it (except I just used tyvek on the lids, no polyfill), and I never had any problems with my grain jars besides maybe accidentally overcooking the seeds and having them get all starchy.

For pasteurizing your poo, try this tek:
http://www.shroomery.org/8393/Oven-Bag-Pasteurization-Pictorial

I would recommend doing your temps a little lower than recommended in that tek, maybe more like 150-160F.

Then just fruit in a monotub.

Also, using liquid culture will save you butt loads of money/time on spore syringes:
http://www.shroomery.org/11341/Liquid-Culture

I recommend just using a drop of honey in a pint of water for your LC. Always worked great for me.

If you're doing LC -> WBS, you can have fully colonized jars in less than two weeks, and if you wanted you could just fruit right off of that! That's opposed to, what, 4-6 weeks waiting for your PF cakes to colonize? :thumbdown: srsly. Waste of time PF tek is.


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: biologys]
    #14136738 - 03/17/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

got an email from someone who suggested rye berries, and a compost. I believe that I will be going that route here soon. Thank You Out-Grow.com:crazy2:


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: Lotus_444]
    #14137013 - 03/17/11 02:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

it is definitely doable. let me tell you my experience. i started off with cakes and had a successful grow. i then moved to wbs and coir and for 6 months or so i only had perhaps 10-20% success rate. then i went to spawn bags for my grain and went to 0% for a while. bacteria would stop them from colonizing. once i got that squared away, i had problems with passteurizing bulk amounts of substrate. once again i ran into 0%. but again, it is doable, but if you want the route with the highest success rate, go with brf cakes. walk, then jog, then haul fuckin ass!


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: DZ]
    #14137665 - 03/17/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

honestly investment wise for a noob... buy what it would take for two or three monos with out-grow.com i came up with $50 on two tubs worth material included spawn and a brick or two of coir. plus 12 for two tubs. being out-grow fuckin rocks... if your spawn contams you get more so thats what i call a "garenteed investment" as far as spawn goes. we have $62 plus cost of spores invested now for two mono grows. now think if one fails and one don't, will there be enough "goods" to make your investment back? answer is yes. how much time do we have in aquiring these materials? time is money... trip to wally and 10 minutes on website. not bad... now time in actuall myco related labor... ten min to knock up 4-6 spawn bags, 90 min in a proper coir pasturization. this is coir/compost sub btw. 10 min bulk run... 20min tub construction, 5 min case and the time to harvest.  would anyone like to counter post this with a pf tek time/investment run down. including an estmated guess % of first time success. which i put this at 75%  here is what a first time noob could have going on , my first mono tub...



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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: Grungeman17]
    #14137883 - 03/17/11 05:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thank You So Much! I'll Be Contacting Mike Soon....


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: Lotus_444]
    #14139184 - 03/17/11 08:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I never understood people who buy pre-sterilized jars.

Just get a fucking pressure cooker! $5 for a quart of grain?

You can get a cheap PC from target or walmart for like $60-$80 and then you can do all your own sterilization for a long long time.


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    #14139310 - 03/17/11 08:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i still have a presto that is 2 years old. have had to replace the gasket, but that's it.


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #14140131 - 03/17/11 10:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I just steam em..:P

No but seriously..

I have had my eyes on pressure cookers for a long time but the issue is this: In Sweden, we dont use gas. Thats right...no gas.

And hardly any cooking plate is large enough for a pressure cooker as is, so Id love to find some way to deal with it but as it is now I can not use one...

+ the american made models cant be bought here...

But for discussion sake, what pressure cookers would fit the largest stovetop burner available? Just for comparison:) And mind that I cant use gas...

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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: kdmmontana]
    #14140465 - 03/17/11 11:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i would never invest in presterilized jars... 2 lbs per bag for $7 which is a mono tub for me i find well worth it for not hassling with grain prep, i am kinda a busy person and it is taking the easy way out but somethings in life the cost of taking the easy way out is worth it to the individual...


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Re: I find it hard to believe.. [Re: kdmmontana]
    #14156590 - 03/20/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I just steam em..:P

No but seriously..

I have had my eyes on pressure cookers for a long time but the issue is this: In Sweden, we dont use gas. Thats right...no gas.

And hardly any cooking plate is large enough for a pressure cooker as is, so Id love to find some way to deal with it but as it is now I can not use one...

+ the american made models cant be bought here...

But for discussion sake, what pressure cookers would fit the largest stovetop burner available? Just for comparison:) And mind that I cant use gas...

:smile:




Try looking for an electric autoclave. It's basically just like a pressure cooker, but it uses an electric heating element.

If you have the internet, you CAN get whatever the fuck you want... you do realize this, right? ... you'll have to pay extra for shipping tho...


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