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Have psychedlics made you spiritual?
    #14133638 - 03/16/11 09:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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[my boyfriend has] never tripped and he doesn't understand the collective consiousness vibe. In fact, he's really big on evolution and thinks souls don't exist, and neither does an afterlife. He's scientific about everything...




I'm wondering, how many of you were turned spiritual by psychedelics? By spiritual I mean, believing that there is an afterlife, believing in reincarnation, believing in the soul or spirit etc. Personally I am like her boyfriend, I consider myself as reasonable and rational as is realistic for a human. I don't believe in god, the soul or an afterlife. I have taken MDMA, mushrooms, salvia, weed, DMT (oral and smoked), and mescaline. Though many times the experiences were extremely enjoyable or interesting they didn't change my view on spirituality.
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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: crazyboy25]
    #14133651 - 03/16/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

DMT showed me the spirit world.  I'm not really sure if I live my life as a spiritual person though.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: crazyboy25] * 3
    #14133656 - 03/16/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

no they made me gay.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: crazyboy25] * 2
    #14133660 - 03/16/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No, if anything they've helped push my viewpoints in the opposite direction.

I don't believe in a soul or an afterlife either.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: crazyboy25]
    #14133664 - 03/16/11 09:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Not really but they did help convert me from being an atheist to an agnostic.
All I know is that we don't know shit, and won't until we die.  So I just don't question it anymore.
Anybody who thinks they know what is going to happen or why we are here is fooling themselves.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: LoveYourLife]
    #14133675 - 03/16/11 09:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

sorry charlie


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: crazyboy25]
    #14133677 - 03/16/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes.  I mean, I used to believe in the religious god I guess, then a few years ago I took lsd, and i haven't really looked back since.  Not saying LSD made me not religious but i think it slowly over time made me a lot more open minded.  I am older now too I guess but I give credit to Lucy for showing me what could be. 

I consider- inner self to be spirituality, so have psychedelics made me more spiritual i'd say yes. but spirituality to me has nothing to do with religion .


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: crazyboy25]
    #14133678 - 03/16/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Mushrooms made me more spiritual, but I discovered their existence while researching religion with the intent of experiencing it's original form, so in retrospect I see how my bias filtered the experience.

Many years later, after taking a break from psychs and then returning to big doses, I see it differently.

I practice mindfulness meditation and enjoy yoga, but don't consider myself spiritual. I've lately taken to describing myself as an atheist, too. Done all the DMT, LSD and shrooms in the world.

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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: uber_aj]
    #14133746 - 03/16/11 09:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I used to be a strong believer in God.  I was raised christian, and never had any reason to doubt it.  I tripped one time with friends, and loved it.  I searched around, found this site, and started growing.  I had more shrooms than I knew what to do with, and I was tripping every weekend, and sometimes during the week (tolerance anyone?) This went on for maybe a year.

At first I felt like the shrooms brought me closer to God.  It was like it put me on a different plane of existance...  Like I wasnt a mortal human anymore, but a spirit.  However, the more and more I tripped, the more I began to question if God was real.  It prompted me to do some research, and I stumbled onto THIS website.  After reading much of what his website had, and talking to almost all my friends about God, I am convinced that he is NOT real.  He is something made up by man because we are afraid of dying.

  I think that shrooms helped to open up my mind, they helped me to think for myself, and not just believe what people tell me.  Its easy to think something is true if your parents tell you its true from the time you are born.  If you were born blind, and your parents told you the sky was red, there would not be a doubt in your mind that the sky was red.  Sure there would be people that told you the sky was blue, but what do they know?  Who are you gonna believe, a complete stranger, or you parents who obviously love you, and have your best intrests at heart?

  This is my oppinion of course, and I am not trying to push it on anyone.  I respect whatever anyone wants to believe in.  I am simply trying to share my experience with you.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: uber_aj]
    #14133770 - 03/16/11 09:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I was a hardcore athiest. Dismissed anything supernatural as "silly" and actively sought out such things just for the purpose of denying they existed.

Then I took some shrooms and had many other psychedelic journeys.

I think I've just realized that going around seeking to disprove everything is a nasty way to live. God is just a mental place that one can strive to get close to (or maybe even reach if buddhists are right) The important thing is to get in touch with it (him if you'd prefer). To really try to grasp the holiness of true reality. IMO to seek truth in reality is to seek closeness with god.  Every religion does this (if followed honestly and not misguided by extremists). I just have an anti-establishment personality, so this "alternative" way of knowing god works best for me. I feel like it's more honest. But really every religion will take you to a state of knowing god. They all lead to the same place.

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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: StaleShrooms]
    #14133793 - 03/16/11 09:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

actually, they've made me less spiritual....


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: crazyboy25]
    #14133820 - 03/16/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Psychedelics gave me a +4 Spirituality modifier.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Brugman]
    #14133955 - 03/16/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

nope, wasn't spiritual, tripped balls and it made me feel more comfortable in my own skin, more OK with who I am, still not spiritual


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Brugman]
    #14133968 - 03/16/11 10:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I would have considered myself an athiest before my interests in psychedelics began.
But reading about psychedelics and peoples spiritual experiences with them
made me more open to ideas of spirituality and concepts such as panthiesm.
I would say that my first time tripping was just the solidifying factor in my opinion of spirituality.

I don't beleive in an all knowing, self concious supreme entity, the
traditional view of god.

But through psychedelics and philosophy i have been able to come about
a more open minded universal spirituality.

I beleive that "god", and the universe are the same thing.
That on a very basic level all of existence exists as a single entity
which we are a part of.

There is a universal "soul" and our individual conciousnesses
are extensions of that concious entirity, though we may not be aware
of our being a part of it.

We are all apart of a supreme love, we are one with it.
There is no path other than love.

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I will do all I can to be worthy of Thee O Lord.
It all has to do with it.
Thank you God.
Peace.
There is none other.
God is. It is so beautiful.
Thank you God. God is all.
Help us to resolve our fears and weaknesses.
Thank you God.
In You all things are possible.
We know. God made us so.
Keep your eye on God.
God is. He always was. He always will be.
No matter what…it is God.
He is gracious and merciful.
It is most important that I know Thee.
Words, sounds, speech, men, memory, thoughts,
fears and emotions — time all related…
all made from one…all made in one.
Blessed be His name.
Thought waves — heat waves-all vibrations –
all paths lead to God. Thank you God.
His way…it is so lovely…it is gracious.
It is merciful — thank you God.
One thought can produce millions of vibrations
and they all go back to God…everything does.
Thank you God.
Have no fear…believe…thank you God.
The universe has many wonders. God is all.
His way…it is so wonderful.
Thoughts–deeds–vibrations, etc.
They all go back to God and He cleanses all.
He is gracious and merciful…thank you God.
Glory to God…God is so alive.
God is.
God loves.
May I be acceptable in Thy sight.
We are all one in His grace.
The fact that we do exist is acknowledgement
of Thee O Lord.
Thank you God.
God will wash away all our tears…
He always has…
He always will.
Seek Him everyday. In all ways seek God everyday.
Let us sing all songs to God.
To whoma all praise is due…praise God.
No road is an easy one, but they all
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With all we share God.
It is all with God.
It is all with Thee.
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Thank you God.
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It is true–blessed be His name–thank you God.
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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: PreparationH] * 1
    #14133974 - 03/16/11 10:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

nope.

Was always "spiritual" since I was a little kid.  My mom was good about finding subtle ways to work a real sense of magic and spirituality into everyday thangs.  Made my childhood beautiful and my later psychedelic use colorful to say the least.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: crazyboy25]
    #14133992 - 03/16/11 10:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

well i was always really introspective and pondered the nature of the universe, but i thought of myself as an atheist.

but now i keep up a daily spiritual practice after tripping so...YES


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: collinZzZz]
    #14133996 - 03/16/11 10:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Atheist --> LSD --> Mushrooms --> Atheist.

Unless you count being in total awe of nature and the cosmos to be considered "spiritual".  But i don't think theres anything like a 'soul' or afterlife and the like.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: ShockValue]
    #14134002 - 03/16/11 10:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Spirituality in my opinion has nothing to do with religion :shrug:


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: twighead]
    #14134024 - 03/16/11 10:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

wasnt before.. still not.


i definitely have spiritual type feelings while in the trip and right after but the next day im back to normal..

the only place i go when i die is in the ground.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: ShockValue]
    #14134039 - 03/16/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Atheist --> LSD --> Mushrooms --> Atheist.

Unless you count being in total awe of nature and the cosmos to be considered "spiritual". 





its the first step

if you started meditating a bunch you'd probably get spiritual


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: g00ru]
    #14134059 - 03/16/11 10:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm fine being in awe of things that can be seen or proven, or are at least logical. 

If I were to meditate, it would be on how to become a better humanitarian and less selfish.  But I can't help spending all my money on beer and Ruffles!


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: ShockValue]
    #14134081 - 03/16/11 10:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

tsk tsk

you should meditate on that though it might awaken spontaneous bodhichitta in you :heart::mushroom2::heart:


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: ShockValue]
    #14134088 - 03/16/11 10:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

what's spirituality?


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: PreparationH]
    #14134094 - 03/16/11 10:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

the inner search

eventually culminating in discovery of the spirit/soul/self


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: g00ru]
    #14134098 - 03/16/11 10:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

so knowing yourself=spirituality?


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: PreparationH]
    #14134105 - 03/16/11 10:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yup


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: g00ru]
    #14134108 - 03/16/11 10:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

there's also the whole occult aspect though which contains astrology, all sorts of spiritual techniques, astral projection, etc.

but that's really just for funzies


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: g00ru] * 1
    #14134120 - 03/16/11 10:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So the question should just be "Have psychedelics made you know yourself better?"

right?

by that definition, sure, I'm "spiritual"


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: g00ru]
    #14134121 - 03/16/11 10:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

3rd post in a row:

yeah spiritual is by definition a very broad and loosely defined term

i avoided it for a while but eventually it's just to inconvenient to have a conversation about your non drug induced altered state experiences without calling it a "spiritual experience"


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: g00ru]
    #14134137 - 03/16/11 10:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

so what, the people who were not "spiritual" before they took psychedelics? Didn't know themselves as well?


This is why I want clarification because it sounds like horse shit.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: crazyboy25]
    #14134141 - 03/16/11 10:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think they opened up the spiritual side of me. Since I was 19 I felt I was looking for "something" and psychedelics pointed me in that direction. I gained some pretty important life lessons from Ayahuasca ceremonies, and during a shroom trip on the beach I tried meditation for about 5 minuets and realized I could get everything I wanted from tripping from meditation. So I stopped doing all drugs and drinking and started meditating and have never been happier with where my life is headed.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: JohnnyZampano]
    #14134164 - 03/16/11 10:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I suppose it depends on your definition of spiritual, I feel psychedelics are the closest I've been to a spiritual experience but I still hold no belief in some supernatural power or anything like that.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Pigasus]
    #14134169 - 03/16/11 10:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

RP should define spiritual, even the people who claim spirituality differ in definitions.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: PreparationH]
    #14134173 - 03/16/11 10:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Define it as you'd like :shrug:

There is no hard and fast definition as I see it.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: twighead]
    #14134187 - 03/16/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

then what is spirituality by your definition? If you're spiritual you shouldn't have to think twice about defining it.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: PreparationH]
    #14134198 - 03/16/11 10:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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then what is spirituality by your definition? If you're spiritual you shouldn't have to think twice about defining it.




having faith in something greater then yourself. Or your ego.

It dose'nt have to be god, or gods or anything like that, just knowing that there is "something" more, something beyond this.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: PreparationH]
    #14134212 - 03/16/11 10:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The act of discovering ones self... is all I could really define it as :highdog:


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: twighead]
    #14134222 - 03/16/11 10:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So to non spiritual people, do you feel that you don't know yourself?


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: twighead]
    #14134252 - 03/16/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The act of discovering ones self... is all I could really define it as



If this is what's meant by spirituality, psychedelics have made me spiritual as fuck.

But if what's meant by spirituality is "believing in imaginary nonsense like souls and the afterlife" then no, psychedelics have made me less spiritual than ever.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: laserpig]
    #14134260 - 03/16/11 11:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

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The act of discovering ones self... is all I could really define it as



If this is what's meant by spirituality, psychedelics have made me spiritual as fuck.

But if what's meant by spirituality is "believing in imaginary nonsense like souls and the afterlife" then no, psychedelics have made me less spiritual than ever.



This is what I'm getting at........

Sure... I'm spiritual by your definition but not by "believing in imaginary nonsense like souls and the afterlife""


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: PreparationH]
    #14134279 - 03/16/11 11:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hard to say really. The definition of "spiritual" is too loose.

I'm definitely more thoughtful, kind, imaginative, creative after taking psychedelics but I don't believe in any gods. The closest I can bring myself to believing in a deity is the idea that maybe the Earth is conscious in some sense. Does that count?


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: PreparationH]
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The act of discovering ones self... is all I could really define it as



If this is what's meant by spirituality, psychedelics have made me spiritual as fuck.

But if what's meant by spirituality is "believing in imaginary nonsense like souls and the afterlife" then no, psychedelics have made me less spiritual than ever.



This is what I'm getting at........

Sure... I'm spiritual by your definition but not by "believing in imaginary nonsense like souls and the afterlife""


well put laser



I agree as well...

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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: crazyboy25]
    #14134313 - 03/16/11 11:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Psychedelic drugs have made me more spiritual, open-minded, and loving.
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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: twighead]
    #14134318 - 03/16/11 11:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

so by most of these definitions, anyone who feels comfortable in their own skin is spiritual.


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And in the end, I believe many of these believer type people are too - trying to seek their deepest self.



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so by most of these definitions, anyone who feels comfortable in their own skin is spiritual.


Yep, still think spirituality is BS



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And in the end, I believe many of these believer type people are too - trying to seek their deepest self.



Too bad they're all doing it wrong.



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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: twighead]
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"Happiness" and "understanding reality" (aka understanding the true nature of your self) are two very different things.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: laserpig]
    #14134385 - 03/16/11 11:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

To me the word spiritual implies the belief in a human spirit, which I see as the belief in the supernatural and/or a level of existence separate from our brains.

I don't necessarily believe there is anything more than the chemical reactions occurring in the brain, therefor I don't believe in a human spirit and wouldn't really call myself spiritual.

I do mediate and agree with a lot of what the self proclaimed "spiritual" people have to say, so what's your opinion on this?


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    #14134391 - 03/16/11 11:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Never contended otherwise. But I don't care much to criticize anyones methods either, even if they are wrong :tongue:


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: twighead]
    #14134403 - 03/16/11 11:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"What if I was wrong, and no one cared to mention?"

One of my favorite song lyrics. Basically sums up my feelings on this. When I'm wrong, for the LOVE OF GOD TELL ME IMMEDIATELY. It is a disservice to someone to let them live a delusion and never confront them with reality. You might as well put a gun to their head and pull the trigger. Call that extreme if you like, but that's how I feel.


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    #14134439 - 03/16/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'll prod a little at most..

but keeping in mind that there are believers of god that feel very much the same as that - that feel like by pestering me about gods existance, how I'm going to hell, how jesus loves me... they're actually doing me a favor... it keeps me from pushing my beliefs on anyone else :tongue:

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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: twighead]
    #14134448 - 03/16/11 11:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

God? No comment.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: twighead]
    #14134453 - 03/16/11 11:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If you're living your life by guessing, you ain't doin' it right. There is such a thing as evidence. Souls, God, etc, fail to meet that standard. You got opinions about the economic system? Okay. Your guess is as good as mine. But you want to tell me you're going to heaven? Sorry motherfucker, I'm gonna remind you that it was made up out of someone's ass.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: laserpig]
    #14134469 - 03/16/11 11:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I was already pretty "spiritual" before ever taking hallucinogens, but they certainly evolved my concepts.
I think science in itself can be spiritual. I'd guess as time progresses, we are only going to reaffirm what we have already experienced as science comes to better understand it.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: laserpig]
    #14134474 - 03/16/11 11:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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If you're living your life by guessing, you ain't doin' it right. There is such a thing as evidence. Souls, God, etc, fail to meet that standard. You got opinions about the economic system? Okay. Your guess is as good as mine. But you want to tell me you're going to heaven? Sorry motherfucker, I'm gonna remind you that it was made up out of someone's ass.



Eh I agree for the most part :lol:
But when it ultimately comes down to it no one really knows how/why we are here so I at least try to treat everybodies opinions with respect... while I think its absurd to believe that a god such as one described in the bible exists - the prospect of a higher being whose actions created our existence is still a possibility (not one I lean towards) but still a possibility.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: twighead]
    #14134508 - 03/16/11 11:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The thing is, you don't have to claim to know the ultimate nature of reality. All I claim to know are the rules of evidence and logic. And if you know the rules of evidence and logic, some beliefs are simply off the table. They cannot be entertained if you would call yourself intellectually honest. A soul is definitely in that category.

I fully grant the possibility that God may exist. But I DEMAND that whoever I enter discussion with acknowledge the fact that there is NO EVIDENCE FOR THIS WHATSOEVER, and therefore there isn't even a SUGGESTION of a basis for belief in it.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: PreparationH]
    #14134510 - 03/16/11 11:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Yep, still think spirituality is BS




as much as I tend to feel all "spiritual" about things, you may just be right.

i get the feeling sometimes that the spirits, feelings of presence/otherness on psychedelics are just my neocortex communicating with older more archetypal parts of my monkey brain and the visuals me merely seeing my head from the inside out. 

I got this distinct feeling on DMT.  A beautiful mandala like a pinecone/lotus/stainedglass window appeared and I thought "this is a place in my (physical) head, I know this place"


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: laserpig]
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The thing is, you don't have to claim to know the ultimate nature of reality. All I claim to know are the rules of evidence and logic. And if you know the rules of evidence and logic, some beliefs are simply off the table. They cannot be entertained if you would call yourself intellectually honest. A soul is definitely in that category.

I fully grant the possibility that God may exist. But I DEMAND that whoever I enter discussion with acknowledge the fact that there is NO EVIDENCE FOR THIS WHATSOEVER, and therefore there isn't even a SUGGESTION of a basis for belief in it.




And you as well as I know how difficult it can be to get someone to accept that... which is why I generally don't try in the first place :lol:  oft more to be lost than gained.


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    #14134554 - 03/16/11 11:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: twighead]
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And you as well as I know how difficult it can be to get someone to accept that... which is why I generally don't try in the first place :lol:  oft more to be lost than gained.



There is absolutely nothing to be lost. Worst case scenario they leave exactly as dumb as they started. Best case, they learn something. IMO that makes it criminal not to try.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: crazyboy25]
    #14134845 - 03/17/11 01:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think I was ever an all-out atheist.  I always had sense of spirituality.  Before I started using psychedelics, I was basically a naturalistic pantheist (a Spinozist, if you will) with some interest in Buddhism.  But overall I would say I wasn't all that spiritual.  Psychedelics, particularly LSD, definitely shifted gears for me.  I had what evangelicals refer to as a "born again" experience.  I've never been the same since.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: crazyboy25]
    #14134867 - 03/17/11 01:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I was spiritual before psychedelics... I have always felt called.
And taking psychedelics has only enhanced my growth and my
spirituality for the better.

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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: PreparationH]
    #14135792 - 03/17/11 09:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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then what is spirituality by your definition? If you're spiritual you shouldn't have to think twice about defining it.




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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14136153 - 03/17/11 10:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm an atheist, and I have more spirit than any of these sheeple evangelicals I'm forced to live with, ironically. What I am not, is religious.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: blujay]
    #14136239 - 03/17/11 11:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

mostly counterculture exposed me to a side of spirituality that is vastly different than pop judeo-christianity. dmt and ayahuasca both changed my outlook drastically though.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: millzy]
    #14136279 - 03/17/11 11:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Was not spritual, did psychedelics, still not spiritual. But I meditate.

You guys that bcame spiritual... you need to keep in touch with reality... a psychedelic trip is a dru...it aint real.

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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Patlal]
    #14136298 - 03/17/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Psychedelics have changed me much for the better... or so I think.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Patlal]
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Was not spritual, did psychedelics, still not spiritual. But I meditate.

You guys that bcame spiritual... you need to keep in touch with reality... a psychedelic trip is a dru...it aint real.

Dont let it afect you to much... for entertaiment only...

Even more...dont let it change you




i don't think i'm alone when i ask this, but.........huh?


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: millzy]
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Was not spritual, did psychedelics, still not spiritual. But I meditate.

You guys that bcame spiritual... you need to keep in touch with reality... a psychedelic trip is a dru...it aint real.

Dont let it afect you to much... for entertaiment only...

Even more...dont let it change you




i don't think i'm alone when i ask this, but.........huh?



I think he's saying psychedelic experiences aren't "real" and therefore don't count.  I can understand the sentiment, but for me it's a matter of whether we or not we live in a teleological universe.  Of course the things you see on psychedelics aren't necessarily to be taken as literal absolute truth, but I think they can open us up to experiences which offer opportunities for personal transformation.  I feel like some of the psychedelic experiences I've had were meant to show me something important.  So I would say that psychedelic experiences, while not necessarily a clear window into the nature of reality, can at least point you in the direction of something you've been oblivious to before.  I could go further into discussing the difference between the correspondence theory of truth which Patlal is assuming versus the pragmatic theory of truth, but I think I'll leave it there for now.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14136647 - 03/17/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The changes in perception associated with psychedelic drugs may appear to be evidence of a teleological universe; but the boring truth is probably much less supernatural. There's nothing about tripping balls a neurochemist can't explain in rudimentary terms.

Another big thing I think you've got to keep in mind is that perception =/= reality. Remember, you're seeing light bouncing off those tits. Though you're probably not thinking about that while she's jumping on a trampoline.

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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Patlal]
    #14136691 - 03/17/11 01:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Was not spritual, did psychedelics, still not spiritual. But I meditate.

You guys that bcame spiritual... you need to keep in touch with reality... a psychedelic trip is a dru...it aint real.

Dont let it afect you to much... for entertaiment only...

Even more...dont let it change you




Says who?

I say anything learned on psychedelics is just as valuable sober. Of course once I saw a ghost in my house but I don't think its haunted because of the experience. But psychedelics made me really ponder the question of god, and showed me that I was looking at the concept of god all wrong. Now I'm spiritual because of that revelation (that honestly didnt occur during a trip but while processing the evenets of the trip in a sober state).

Ya gotta pick and choose what pieces of your trips you choose to assimilate. Just like you have to pick and choose which pieces of life to assimilate. We all shut things out. I've read so much about buddhism and meditation but I'm still not a daily meditator. I just havent put what I've learned into practice yet :shrug:


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: blujay]
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The changes in perception associated with psychedelic drugs may appear to be evidence of a teleological universe; but the boring truth is probably much less supernatural. There's nothing about tripping balls a neurochemist can't explain in rudimentary terms.



A neurochemist could presumably explain your experience of reading these words on the screen in rudimentary terms.  Except not really, because perception is more than just neurons firing.  It requires an external referent.  Same thing with psychedelics.  Neurology can explain what neurons in the brain are firing when you're tripping, but it can't explain the content of the trip.

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Another big thing I think you've got to keep in mind is that perception =/= reality. Remember, you're seeing light bouncing off those tits. Though you're probably not thinking about that while she's jumping on a trampoline.



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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14136721 - 03/17/11 01:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

They definitely have. They made go from agnostic Christian, to atheist, to something more along the lines of a Buddhist or Hindu... but I'd say I have my own religion.


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There's nothing about tripping balls a neurochemist can't explain in rudimentary terms.




entity contact has not been explained as of yet by any school of medicine. and as far as i know psychedelics in general are still a pretty big mystery to the scientific community. beyond that, how can anything we experience not be real? these things may not be physical phenomena, but that doesn't make them any less real. our mind isn't part of physical reality but yet the general consensus is that it's most certainly there. and when you get into concepts that influence our mythology, culture and technology like moral perfection, mathematical perfection, infinity etc., none of which manifest on the physical plane, one can't help but see that reality is imbued with the intangible, and quite dependent on it at that. to deny the existence of the metaphysical aspect of being is to deny reality altogether imo.

but really, that's neither her nor there though because, in my opinion, the meat of the psychedelic experience lies beyond its ontological implications. whether or not the things we encounter, the voices we hear that don't seem to be our own etc., are aspects of our highest selves or actually autonomous, intelligent beings waiting on the other side of the curtain doesn't change what people can and do take away from the psychedelic experience, which is very real, even if it's just a night of fun with their friends.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14136902 - 03/17/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Was not spritual, did psychedelics, still not spiritual. But I meditate.

You guys that bcame spiritual... you need to keep in touch with reality... a psychedelic trip is a dru...it aint real.

Dont let it afect you to much... for entertaiment only...

Even more...dont let it change you




i don't think i'm alone when i ask this, but.........huh?



I think he's saying psychedelic experiences aren't "real" and therefore don't count.  I can understand the sentiment, but for me it's a matter of whether we or not we live in a teleological universe.  Of course the things you see on psychedelics aren't necessarily to be taken as literal absolute truth, but I think they can open us up to experiences which offer opportunities for personal transformation.  I feel like some of the psychedelic experiences I've had were meant to show me something important.  So I would say that psychedelic experiences, while not necessarily a clear window into the nature of reality, can at least point you in the direction of something you've been oblivious to before.  I could go further into discussing the difference between the correspondence theory of truth which Patlal is assuming versus the pragmatic theory of truth, but I think I'll leave it there for now.




lol wow.

Great post, well written

Complicated words aside, what I meant is that, yes its an experience.

Of course you learn from it. But you gotta keep in mind that everything you feel, think and process is the drug. Yes it might offer you an opportunity for personal transformation BUT you can do this transformation while sober. The trip just gives you the illusion that without it, youcould not achieve this transformation. Which is false.

Than again, I love them psychedelics and for some reasn i'm playing the devils advocate...

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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Patlal]
    #14136943 - 03/17/11 02:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

People experience thing that aren't real all the time.

Why, just last night I was drug raided and shot three times! Then I woke up.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: blujay]
    #14137166 - 03/17/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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People experience thing that aren't real all the time.

Why, just last night I was drug raided and shot three times! Then I woke up.



If it wasn't real, you wouldn't experience it.  The question is: In what context is it real?


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14137442 - 03/17/11 03:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i find that i can not vote
psychedelics or not, i have always struggled with my faith
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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: PreparationH]
    #14137918 - 03/17/11 05:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Lol yea ok hahahahahaha




its true

your spirit is completely formless, it has no point in space or time, so it can't really be described.  Well, it's your consciousness, but can consciousness really be defined? Do you really know what consciousness is?  It's called spirit because it's the force that animates.  It's life.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: g00ru]
    #14137961 - 03/17/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Mello Kitty]
    #14138186 - 03/17/11 05:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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psychedelics or not, i have always struggled with my faith
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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: PreparationH]
    #14138189 - 03/17/11 05:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I dont think theres a god but i dont believe we were made from big bang in a universe that appeared from... :confused:

but i do now think there may be an afterlife and alternate realities in some form.

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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: PreparationH]
    #14139300 - 03/17/11 08:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: g00ru]
    #14139344 - 03/17/11 08:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

at first they made me spiritual

then i did some research

and come to the conclusion that spirituality is crap

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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: pfxtc]
    #14139575 - 03/17/11 09:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i don't understand how people can't see that we are spiritual beings with souls. every living thing has a soul. and there's a universal soul or conscious, ya digg?!!

it's very plain to see to me now. psychedelics definitely played some part in my noticing this i think, but i think a lot of the realization happened when i learned a little about buddhism. i say "noticed" that we're spiritual beings, because well.. i notice it now and i can look back over my life and the signs were always there, i just wasn't aware.. ya feel


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: g00ru]
    #14139601 - 03/17/11 09:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Psychedelics and the culture behind them, the Shulgin's are an excellent resource; increased my awareness of psychology, spirituality and religion.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: iluvfungi]
    #14139711 - 03/17/11 09:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

lots of people keep saying that tripping made them realize they do not know anything and so maybe agnostic but not spiritual...
for me, i have become spiritual in the sense that i agree we do not know anything, but the concepts of life and love and energy within living beings is still unexplained by science so i am forced to consider them by the term "spirits", and so i am spiritual. there beauty that cannot be explained in life by math and science. the concepts of souls and spirits within animate and inanimate objects are so undefinable within our present system of communication that i cannot see how anyone who is bewildered by them and cannot explain them can be anything but spiritual.. tripping showed me that there is beauty and energy which might be "science" but it is so much easier to say "spirit" or "life energy" that it would be a waste of my time to label myself anything but a spiritual agnostic. "i am awake now" i think my thoughts are a mess right now i wish i could write more eloquently  :confused:  sorry kids


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: squipped]
    #14139734 - 03/17/11 09:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It changed my spirituality I guess.
Psychedelics were one of the main things that started my path away from the faith that my parents and family are still a part of.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #14139747 - 03/17/11 09:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

if I learned anything from psychedelics

its that I should have an open mind

and that nothing, and I mean nothing, is at it seems

spirituality is a distraction imo :shrug:


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #14139751 - 03/17/11 09:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I never was nor will I ever be spiritual.

Philosophies and reason are more my cup of tea.

Psychedelics didn't really open a whole new world, just broadened my view even more.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #14139752 - 03/17/11 09:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i don't understand why people need "science" to validate everything for them. spirituality is something that we feel. at least that's how it is for me. fuck science!


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: owls]
    #14139767 - 03/17/11 09:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't need science to validate things, I just like to know how things work and why, I have an all consuming hunger for knowledge.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: owls]
    #14139793 - 03/17/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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i don't understand why people need "science" to validate everything for them. spirituality is something that we feel. at least that's how it is for me. fuck science!




i think science has an incredible role in our world, i just don't think that the realm of science touches people's sense of connection to a higher power or to their inner selves. people think that science is somehow in EVERYTHING, and although it can be and is applied to lots of things..... it really has nothing to tell me on how i feel about life energy.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: squipped]
    #14139893 - 03/17/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

you should look into quantum physics

spirituality is in everything

and yeh i have an unquenchable thirst for knowledge myself, i just think it's dumb when people so adamantly deny spirituality on some preconceived notions or because "science can't prove it" is all i'm sizzlin'


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: owls]
    #14140024 - 03/17/11 10:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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you should look into quantum physics



What the bleep do you know about quantum physics?


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Silversoul]
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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14140041 - 03/17/11 10:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

all this talk of higher power is making me sick

spirituality is the result of an ego driven desire for humans to be special

that's it. thus is the great hypocrisy I find in many eastern religions.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14140413 - 03/17/11 11:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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What the bleep do you know about quantum physics?




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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: owls]
    #14140426 - 03/17/11 11:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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you should look into quantum physics



What the bleep do you know about quantum physics?




not very much yet



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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: pfxtc]
    #14140760 - 03/18/11 12:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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spirituality is the result of an ego driven desire for humans to be special





Yeah Im starting to think this. Doesn't mean it true though, just a possibility.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: crazyboy25]
    #14140866 - 03/18/11 12:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

we are limited to our own self to see the way things are.

what we think is only our projection of what is real.


don't think i'm a believer of "gods" or any of that really

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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: crazyboy25]
    #14140874 - 03/18/11 12:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know if they've made me spiritual, but they've made me trip... :rofl2:


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: crazyboy25]
    #14140959 - 03/18/11 12:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Psychedelics made me better at math if that makes any sense.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: pmb]
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Psychedelics made me better at math if that makes any sense.





Same here... well, at least made me more INTERESTED in math, thus making me better at it. :awehigh:


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: owls]
    #14143005 - 03/18/11 12:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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i don't understand why people need "science" to validate everything for them. spirituality is something that we feel. at least that's how it is for me. fuck science!




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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: millzy]
    #14143024 - 03/18/11 12:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes. Undoubtedly. I wasn't spiritual at all until I experienced mushrooms and lsd. Maybe i would have became more spiritual as I matured anyway, but I feel that the psychedelics moved things along much faster than if I wouldn't have taken them.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Sanguine]
    #14143305 - 03/18/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I wouldn't say they made me spiritual. Hell, I wouldn't even say I'm spiritual, but my use of them did fall in a time period where I was starting to cast away a sort of absolute view I had on the world. It was basically a scientific rationalistic atheist view. Now I have more of a " I don't have a fucking clue what the hell is going on and I'm incredibly confused" view on things.


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    #14151882 - 03/20/11 01:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I would say yes.
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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: owls]
    #14158705 - 03/21/11 10:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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i don't understand why people need "science" to validate everything for them. spirituality is something that we feel. at least that's how it is for me. fuck science!

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you should look into quantum physics

spirituality is in everything

and yeh i have an unquenchable thirst for knowledge myself, i just think it's dumb when people so adamantly deny spirituality on some preconceived notions or because "science can't prove it" is all i'm sizzlin'




:awewtf:

make up your mind dude. quantum physics is a field of science, not spirituality. further, i would advise against using movies like "what the bleep" as sources for your information on this subject.

personally, i'm a big fan of nova. whether its science, history or politics, they tend to be very well researched, balanced and compelling. this is a nova 3 hour special on quantum physics that's geared towards the average layperson.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/physics/elegant-universe-einstein.html

"the race for absolute zero" is another good episode that touches on quantum physics in its later half, but i don't think they have that up online anymore. i'm sure you could find it on rapidshare or torrent.

another good documentary is pbs's independent lens channel's "the atom smashers". ghostly international's kate simko did the soundtrack for that.


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    #14158738 - 03/21/11 10:52 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Lol we have the same avatar? oh well i'm not changing mine right now hahah. :thumbup:


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: DrunkenAttempt]
    #14158847 - 03/21/11 11:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

like I said, psychedelics initially made me spiritual

but i did some research on it

and figured out it's not for me.

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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: millzy]
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i don't understand why people need "science" to validate everything for them. spirituality is something that we feel. at least that's how it is for me. fuck science!

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you should look into quantum physics

spirituality is in everything

and yeh i have an unquenchable thirst for knowledge myself, i just think it's dumb when people so adamantly deny spirituality on some preconceived notions or because "science can't prove it" is all i'm sizzlin'




:awewtf:

make up your mind dude. quantum physics is a field of science, not spirituality. further, i would advise against using movies like "what the bleep" as sources for your information on this subject.

personally, i'm a big fan of nova. whether its science, history or politics, they tend to be very well researched, balanced and compelling. this is a nova 3 hour special on quantum physics that's geared towards the average layperson.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/physics/elegant-universe-einstein.html

"the race for absolute zero" is another good episode that touches on quantum physics in its later half, but i don't think they have that up online anymore. i'm sure you could find it on rapidshare or torrent.

another good documentary is pbs's independent lens channel's "the atom smashers". ghostly international's kate simko did the soundtrack for that.




i threw that out there on purpose to present the connection between science and spirituality. now you make up your mind negra :hi5:


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: owls]
    #14161344 - 03/21/11 08:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i'm more a chemistry man than a quantum physics man . :smirk:


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    #14161358 - 03/21/11 08:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

ain't nothin wrong with that :syringe:


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: owls]
    #14161397 - 03/21/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

psychedelics have forced me to look at reality through alternate perceptions, in which i have seen entities, visions, deep realizations, and a truly played out stream. it's all in the mind, and is absent with out it. nothing is knowing.



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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: owls]
    #14162234 - 03/21/11 11:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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i threw that out there on purpose to present the connection between science and spirituality. now you make up your mind negra :hi5:




as mentioned above i feel there is room for both objective science and spirituality in life. but to suggest that there is an established connection between quantum physics and spirituality only displays your ignorance of the subject. i've made up my mind, and i stand by what i said.

i'm not trying to be ugly, just pointing out that you seem to be grossly misinformed. watch those nova ep's. you won't be disappointed.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: millzy]
    #14162295 - 03/21/11 11:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Psychedelics have helped me realize that most people are scared shitless of life, which is why they don't take them.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: millzy]
    #14162299 - 03/21/11 11:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

on my first trip i had a great time and the next morning i was still in an altered state somewhat, obviously, because i saw that my polar fleece pullover was Sacred.

now, i suppose i always knew life was good, but there was visual proof.  most of all it gave me about 4 hours of fearlessness and a feeling of being a child again, which is definitely all i could want from life.  what does spiritual mean, anyway?  good question though


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: sleepy]
    #14162955 - 03/22/11 02:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Here's the problem with this question. . .
The things that you want to write down, you don't.
The things that you should remember, you won't.
Anyone can say that they want to remember the things that they learn while tripping.
But most won't.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: crazyboy25]
    #14163206 - 03/22/11 05:44 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No, though I think if I had already been spiritual, it would have been possible to have an experience that strengthened that spirituality.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #14163428 - 03/22/11 07:44 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Psychs just helped fortify a sense of spirituality I always had.
I still can get over my dislike of organized religion.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: phxBoomer]
    #14167034 - 03/22/11 09:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i agree with what the last two of you said. i feel it was already there inside of me, on the verge of being discovered, and psychedelics just helped bring it to the forefront

i often used to ponder what leads some people to become interested in spirituality and others not, i thought a lot of it just had to do with different life experiences :shrug:


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: crazyboy25]
    #14168509 - 03/23/11 05:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Just so you know, life and psychs will normally show you what's preset in your mind. And what you need to see. Some of the most spiritual experiences I've had have been on psychs and some of my biggest breakthroughs theory wise on my own style of religion have happened while tripping too. Its the law of attraction and karma to an extent at work. Experience it yourself by looking for it. It may suprise you.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Epilson Lyrae]
    #14168518 - 03/23/11 05:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I remember every detail of my trips. I didn't at first, but now I do everytime since I put a serious effort into trying. I had too many "breakthrough" trips to not try my hardest to remember it. If your really serious about it you could always write it down too if your forgetting :confused:


Edit: Since everyone here seems to be a little confused on what exactly spirituality is, I consider it my realization of myself having a soul and that there is something much bigger than us out there. My precognition has became astoundingly good, I have began to understand to how to silence my mind, I've felt the presence of my ancestors, experienced astral travel, and have dissolved my giant ego I had. I have just had too many experiences and realizations on them to write it all here. In a way it is literally healing for my mind. Doubt all you want, but my experiences have shown me what is possible with them and until you have experienced it yourself you won't understand it.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: MLDSMDA]
    #14168608 - 03/23/11 07:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I consider being spiritual as just being a more responsible person.  Being aware of other people's feelings and how what you do affects them.  Psychedelics do that for me.  It can take the self absorption out of people and open their eyes to that collective consciousness we're all a part of that with every action is a reaction.  Simple to understand on its face but to understand it with every fiber of your being comes with tapping into that other world. 

That's a very nuts and bolts approach to spirituality and I think that's all it needs be to think of yourself as spiritual.


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    #14169066 - 03/23/11 10:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

imo, spiritual life can be best thought of psychological life. religion provides a way to order your psychological existence. it's a lens through which to view of the events of your life and learn and grow from them.

and let's take this photography analogy a little further. what people tend to get caught up on is thinking that the the picture the lens is producing is reality. it's not, it's just your interpretation of reality viewed through that particular lens. and even if you're someone who thinks using a lens is just a cheap trick for flashy photographers, the picture your camera is producing isn't reality either.

further, the models of objective science, while useful in providing predictions of observable phenomena, are no more concrete than our religious ones. we may have names for gravity and electricity, but it's all just language. anyone who relies on science in the manner of the word being the thing is just as misled as someone who blindly follows religion.

as i mentioned before, both science and religion have their uses, but they are only descriptions of experience and not the experience itself.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: millzy]
    #14169203 - 03/23/11 10:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not spiritual, but psychedelics have surely made me a better person.  I used to have a good bit of angst, had empathy but never acted on it, etc.  After a mescaline experience that all changed.  I started to volunteer (over 40 hours a week sometimes) and be a nicer person.  I still have "you should be nicer and work harder" revelations damn near every time I trip, and I try my best to work towards that goal. 

Took 40mg of 4-ho-met the other day and that is EXACTLY what i said to myself.  Be nicer, more patient, and work harder.  The beautiful visuals and euphoria (I don't usually get euphoria when tripping but it was a rather nice day outside, could have helped) didn't hurt either, but they aren't the main focus for tripping with me.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: bbl337]
    #14169255 - 03/23/11 10:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Where do you volunteer? I've been looking into a few different opportunities here locally just to fill up some of my time and meet new people. I can't decide where to go though.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: Epilson Lyrae]
    #14172140 - 03/23/11 07:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Here's the problem with this question. . .
The things that you want to write down, you don't.
The things that you should remember, you won't.
Anyone can say that they want to remember the things that they learn while tripping.
But most won't.




I would disagree with this, but it's funny, because it seems like most people don't learn from their experiences with psychedelics.

Here's how I integrate my experiences:
Dose in solitude, to allow the entheogen to work with no distractions
Dose at a later time, where the trip replaces sleep. This allows a full day of integration. If you go to sleep after coming down, you will just wake up feeling fried and think "man, last night was crazy".
Meditate the day after. Run through the whole experience in your head. Ponder upon the parts that catch your attention. Dissect and analyze.

I would say hallucinogens haven't made me more spiritual, but they have made me more accepting, more empathetic, and more understanding of the greater ignorance in comparison to the little knowledge we posses.


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Re: Have psychedlics made you spiritual? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #14172638 - 03/23/11 09:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Where do you volunteer? I've been looking into a few different opportunities here locally just to fill up some of my time and meet new people. I can't decide where to go though.



Humane society!! I volunteered 50 hours for probation and ended up going back for a few hundred more afterward...  the people were so chill and the animals are sooooo awesome :vaped:


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