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Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan?
#14131763 - 03/16/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I mean seriously? There is no way any nuclear radiation is going to reach the states. I just saw on the news, every supplement store sold out of iodine pills.. REALLY?
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: eloC]
#14131800 - 03/16/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cause uranium spreads easily and has a half life of 4.47 billion years.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
#14131809 - 03/16/11 03:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's a great question! I live in the pacific northwest where they said the radiation could drift, but many are also saying it will never make it this far. The US hasn't had a major earthquake, yet we feel the need to panick and grab attention...?
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
#14131815 - 03/16/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Japan is closer to the States than you think. You'll notice most maps have it at the opposite end from the states, but remember also that the world is round and when you go off one end you find yourself at the other.
I'm not worried about it personally, but it is something to think about.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Mushie23]
#14131830 - 03/16/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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it's potassium iodide
fallout could definitely reach the west coast depending on how bad this gets...
it may not be significant, but it can happen
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14131839 - 03/16/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said: Japan is closer to the States than you think. You'll notice most maps have it at the opposite end from the states, but remember also that the world is round and when you go off one end you find yourself at the other.
I'm not worried about it personally, but it is something to think about.
Very true. But wouldn't you think the only people that need to really worry about it are the coast lines? But, yes it is really important to think about, but people over-react. Which feeds the media. I went off topic, but I mean common? We are over reacting to the problem! I also personally am not worried about it. Haha!
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Mushie23]
#14131852 - 03/16/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mushie, I see you eye to eye. We are just panicing(sp?), because we have nothing to panic about.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: eloC]
#14131853 - 03/16/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I live about a quarter of a mile from the coast and I'm not concerned. The impact of the tsunami on the west coast, also, was exaggerated in the media.
But yeah, it's an ongoing development and I don't think we can count on anything, but I have confidence that if fallout makes it here (which seems awfully doubtful) we'll hear about it before it happens and be able to prepare for it.
Apparently even people in Japan aren't freaking out about this as much as we are, though. Go figure.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
#14131855 - 03/16/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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reeferaddict69 said: Cause uranium spreads easily and has a half life of 4.47 billion years.
you obviously dont know mush about nuclear energy..
cesium 137 is what there is to worry about..
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Tchan909 said: I live about a quarter of a mile from the coast and I'm not concerned. The impact of the tsunami on the west coast, also, was exaggerated in the media.
But yeah, it's an ongoing development and I don't think we can count on anything, but I have confidence that if fallout makes it here (which seems awfully doubtful) we'll hear about it before it happens and be able to prepare for it.
Apparently even people in Japan aren't freaking out about this as much as we are, though. Go figure. 
I live in NM. Which is near the west coast. But yes, its all exaggerated by media!
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14131898 - 03/16/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Apparently even people in Japan aren't freaking out about this as much as we are, though. Go figure. 
I dont think thats true at all.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: eloC]
#14131902 - 03/16/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm so close to the coast I can hear the waves breaking right now and I'm not concerned. Should I be? I don't watch the news.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: muistrue]
#14131908 - 03/16/11 03:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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FractalDust said: I'm so close to the coast I can hear the waves breaking right now and I'm not concerned. Should I be? I don't watch the news. 
You will know if it is time to get worried.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: DeadHearts]
#14131916 - 03/16/11 03:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: DeadHearts]
#14131917 - 03/16/11 03:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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California is about to get rocked. Ive been stocking up on supplies
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: DeadHearts]
#14131924 - 03/16/11 03:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Apparently even people in Japan aren't freaking out about this as much as we are, though. Go figure. 
I dont think thats true at all.
I'm talking about the Japanese people who haven't been directly affected by the tsunami, which is the majority of the country.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: masterfluffypants]
#14131934 - 03/16/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Apparently even people in Japan aren't freaking out about this as much as we are, though. Go figure. 
I dont think thats true at all.
I'm talking about the Japanese people who haven't been directly affected by the tsunami.
I know. But the nuclear threat is real and I seen quotes form people that are saying they do not believe their government is telling them the whole truth and they do not believe them. I hear people are starting to leave Tokyo as well.
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Im sad to say that this is something that could happen really soon. I dont think people should turn their heads on this one.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: DeadHearts]
#14131935 - 03/16/11 03:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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americans freak out about everything. remember Y2K? we have nothing going on in our lives of any real significance so we watch the news and over react to everything we see.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: eloC]
#14131940 - 03/16/11 04:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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But yeah, it's an ongoing development and I don't think we can count on anything, but I have confidence that if fallout makes it here (which seems awfully doubtful) we'll hear about it before it happens and be able to prepare for it.
Apparently even people in Japan aren't freaking out about this as much as we are, though. Go figure. 
I live in NM. Which is near the west coast. But yes, its all exaggerated by media! 
saying nm is near the west coast is a bit of an exaggeration as well 
i live in OR and im not too worried about remnants of a nuclear fallout in japan making it's way over here. i imagine if it's bad enough that we could be effected by it that we would know about it long before we felt the effects over here. and if that happened to be the case i'd already be well on my way back to the south
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: muistrue]
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: blazenn]
#14131953 - 03/16/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said: I live about a quarter of a mile from the coast and I'm not concerned. The impact of the tsunami on the west coast, also, was exaggerated in the media.
But yeah, it's an ongoing development and I don't think we can count on anything, but I have confidence that if fallout makes it here (which seems awfully doubtful) we'll hear about it before it happens and be able to prepare for it.
Apparently even people in Japan aren't freaking out about this as much as we are, though. Go figure. 
I live in NM. Which is near the west coast. But yes, its all exaggerated by media! 
saying nm is near the west coast is a bit of an exaggeration as well 
i live in OR and im not too worried about remnants of a nuclear fallout in japan making it's way over here. i imagine if it's bad enough that we could be effected by it that we would know about it long before we felt the effects over here. and if that happened to be the case i'd already be well on my way back to the south 
I only live 700 miles away from LA? Hahahaha
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: DeadHearts]
#14131960 - 03/16/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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masterfluffypants said: California is about to get rocked. Ive been stocking up on supplies 
Im sad to say that this is something that could happen really soon. I dont think people should turn their heads on this one.
Yeah if you look around the pacific rim North America is the only place to have not been thrashed by a major earthquake yet. We're in for some hellish times ahead. There has been dead fish and all that other creepy shit on California's shores. That one scientist dude showed that that happens right before big natural disasters. And with supermoon this weekend.....
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: masterfluffypants]
#14131970 - 03/16/11 04:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I would personally bounce out just in case. At least until the 20th or 21st.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: DeadHearts]
#14131976 - 03/16/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah we're thinking about doing that. We've already been preparing with canned food/water/flashlights/tents, etc. Fortunately if the earthquake causes a tsunami, I'm sort of protected by mountains, but who knows what other shit may come. I think California has nuclear plants built right near the faults too.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: eloC]
#14131988 - 03/16/11 04:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said: I live about a quarter of a mile from the coast and I'm not concerned. The impact of the tsunami on the west coast, also, was exaggerated in the media.
But yeah, it's an ongoing development and I don't think we can count on anything, but I have confidence that if fallout makes it here (which seems awfully doubtful) we'll hear about it before it happens and be able to prepare for it.
Apparently even people in Japan aren't freaking out about this as much as we are, though. Go figure. 
I live in NM. Which is near the west coast. But yes, its all exaggerated by media! 
saying nm is near the west coast is a bit of an exaggeration as well 
i live in OR and im not too worried about remnants of a nuclear fallout in japan making it's way over here. i imagine if it's bad enough that we could be effected by it that we would know about it long before we felt the effects over here. and if that happened to be the case i'd already be well on my way back to the south 
I only live 700 miles away from LA? Hahahaha 
you're 3 states away from the pacific ocean brah.
not like it matters, some people have extremely differing concepts of what 'near' is.
to me saying you're near the coast means you can drive to the coast in 5-6 hours. driving to the coast from new mexico would be a good solid day of driving atleast. i think you have 0 problems to worry about even in the most extreme case of a nuclear fallout happening.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: DeadHearts]
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Apparently even people in Japan aren't freaking out about this as much as we are, though. Go figure. 
I dont think thats true at all.
I'm talking about the Japanese people who haven't been directly affected by the tsunami.
I know. But the nuclear threat is real and I seen quotes form people that are saying they do not believe their government is telling them the whole truth and they do not believe them. I hear people are starting to leave Tokyo as well.
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masterfluffypants said: California is about to get rocked. Ive been stocking up on supplies 
Im sad to say that this is something that could happen really soon. I dont think people should turn their heads on this one.
People are leaving Tokyo..
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: DeadHearts]
#14132063 - 03/16/11 04:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: masterfluffypants]
#14132177 - 03/16/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Honestly, even if the place explodes, I don't think we would be that effected here on the west coast. Japan would be royally fucked, but it's not like some huge plume of radiation would float across the pacific and kill people in the States....
There is no need for alarm in the U.S...except when we get OUR mega-quake that will absolutely destroy Seattle and good chunk of the west coast
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: eloC]
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@ the masses of undiluted pseudoscience as of late
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: eloC]
#14132192 - 03/16/11 04:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is why people are freaking out
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Spiderbaby]
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Spiderbaby]
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Seriously? I have a very hard time believing this is accurate. Countries next to Japan aren't even that concerned. It's a bunch of media hype to make people panic and go out and buy shit...
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Anthony917]
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Seriously? I have a very hard time believing this is accurate. Countries next to Japan aren't even that concerned. It's a bunch of media hype to make people panic and go out and buy shit...

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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: DeadHearts]
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Yeah I think we're going to be headed to AZ this weekend until some of this blows over. Not 100% sure yet.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: DeadHearts]
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people are just being cautious. Better to be safe than sorry as they say.
The media is telling a tale from both ends of the spectrum. One side is that if there is a fallout then we could indeed see the type of thing in the map above. On the other side they say by the time any radiation hit the US it would be so small that it would be no worse then flying into LA or whatever city.
Choose which makes you more comfy at home I guess.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Anthony917]
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Seriously? I have a very hard time believing this is accurate. Countries next to Japan aren't even that concerned. It's a bunch of media hype to make people panic and go out and buy shit...
I got it from encyclopedia dramatica, im sure its dead accurate
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Anthony917]
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Seriously? I have a very hard time believing this is accurate. Countries next to Japan aren't even that concerned. It's a bunch of media hype to make people panic and go out and buy shit...
That's an incredibly massive overstatement in my opinion - 750 rads is enough to kill nearly 100% of all Americans in the downwind 
The spread of radiation is not so uniform - nor is it so powerful so far away from the source.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: DeadHearts]
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Seriously? I have a very hard time believing this is accurate. Countries next to Japan aren't even that concerned. It's a bunch of media hype to make people panic and go out and buy shit...


Ok, when Chernobyl blew up, less than 100 people died. Also, the distance between Chernobyl and New York is less than the distance between LA and Fukushima, and we saw NO effects from the Chernobyl disaster here in the United States. http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/16/experts-u-s-wont-feel-health-effects-from-japan/
Besides according to that pic every single person in the western united states would BE DEAD. 750+ Rads = lethal. I'm calling BULLSHIT
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Tchan909 said: Japan is closer to the States than you think. You'll notice most maps have it at the opposite end from the states, but remember also that the world is round and when you go off one end you find yourself at the other.
I'm not worried about it personally, but it is something to think about.
yeah, it's really close, only on the other end of the pacific ocean, LMAO. that is only 3 times the length between here and europe, not that far at all, only on THE OPPOSITE END OF THE WORLD
anyway, they said the same thing with chernobyl, they said that it would release so much radiation it would 'CHANGE THE WORLD.' but yeaahhh.. right. i mean, they detonated tsar bomba, the biggest hydrogen bomb in the world, and it didn't cause massive radiation. and even though fallout from the hydrogen bomb was supposed to be MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH less than a fission bomb, tsar bomba was so huge, you could wipe that idea out of your mind that there would be no massive radiation in the part of the globe, and even that didn't effect us.
people get really freaked out over these power plant explosion things. i mean i'm sure the hiroshima bomb itself released way more radiation, and even some parts of japan the island it's located on were effected by very little amounts of radiation, what makes people think it will reach here.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: DeadHearts]
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Let's put this into perspective right now... The highest recorded radiation level at Fukushima 1 to date is 1000 mSv/hr. Eating 1 banana will give you about a .0001 mSv dose. Some areas of Chernobyl immediately after the explosion were around the 300,000 mSv level. There's honestly nothing to worry about in terms of radiation on the west coast.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: twighead]
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Chernobyl was a reactor literally exploding, sending radioactive debris all over the place not to mention large pieces of the reactor core outside of the facility, this is a meltdown so far, it's different
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: orison]
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you obviously dont know mush about nuclear energy..
cesium 137 is what there is to worry about..
i think he was being sarcastic, most atoms that have extremely long half life periods don't last 4.47 billion years . obviously an atom that is radioactive is deteriorating before your eyes, and probably doesn't have a half life of 4.47 billion years
also, what does potassium whatever it is help you with? does it absorb the radiation or something? how would that help anyway? considering that it's in your body?
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Spiderbaby]
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If this were the case, there would be no Ukraine. This is being compared as not being as bad as Chernobyl, but worse than 3 mile island. Back in high school I did a report on Chernobyl. The site is just deemed as being radioactive. I'm sure, this is what's going to happen in Japan. But most certainly this map, is not a logical explaination of the nuclear fallout.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: imachavel]
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Half life specifically refers to more than 1 atom. It's the time it takes for half of the atoms in a sample to decay to stable forms.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: imachavel]
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yeah it prevents your thyroid from exposure somehow
it doesn't protect from other types of cancer
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: imachavel]
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It fills your thyroid so it can't be filled by a radioactive isotope which seems to be a pretty major killer in nuclear accidents (thyroid cancer)
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: caphillkid]
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It gives the thyroid a flood of stable iodine, so it doesn't make use of radioactive iodine isotopes, leaving them to be filtered out.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: imachavel]
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you obviously dont know mush about nuclear energy..
cesium 137 is what there is to worry about..
i think he was being sarcastic, most atoms that have extremely long half life periods don't last 4.47 billion years . obviously an atom that is radioactive is deteriorating before your eyes, and probably doesn't have a half life of 4.47 billion years
also, what does potassium whatever it is help you with? does it absorb the radiation or something? how would that help anyway? considering that it's in your body?
it makes it so your body absorbs less radiation since your thyroid is overwhelmed by the iodide.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: caphillkid]
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Because Americans (especially the media) thrive off fear.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Caine]
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Totally what I was thinking. I just want to know why, people are freaking out, and going out in NEW MEXICO and buying iodide pills!
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: eloC]
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Of course its not, it came from encyclopedia dramatica
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Spiderbaby]
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Seriously? I have a very hard time believing this is accurate. Countries next to Japan aren't even that concerned. It's a bunch of media hype to make people panic and go out and buy shit...
I got it from encyclopedia dramatica, im sure its dead accurate 
encyclopedia dramatica is obviously a GREAT source of information
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Fallout
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: eloC]
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I gotta start marketing lead blankets as radiation shields before the Americans come to their senses
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Spiderbaby]
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Of course its not, it came from encyclopedia dramatica 
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: eloC]
#14132437 - 03/16/11 05:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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so am i being stupid by living in cali and going through my day completely normally, high on acid and weed with no stockups of oil/food/water/arms
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: realfuzzhead]
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Sounds pretty sane to me  Though if I could afford it I would have a small stockpile of food and water.
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There is a lot more spent fuel rods at this plant, something on the line of over 600,000. If the cooling pools dry up and catch fire the amount of radioactive material would easily top what was released at Chernobyl. Not to mention the fact that the cooling pools were located near the top of the reactor buildings and likely went up with the explosions.
I think there is A LOT we are not being told, just like how the Soviet Union tried to hide what happened at Chernobyl until radiation was detected in Eastern Europe. Then there is this.
I am just repeating what I've seen on some alternative news sites so you may want to take it with a grain of salt.
I think people have gotten confused because for the first couple days the Japanese government was really playing down the severity of the risks. The news was saying that this couldn't be a Chernobyl then because things had not gotten this out of control. It's a different story now and there is enough radioactive material at Fukushima to cause another Chernobyl or worse if they don't get this under control, which doesn't look very likely to me.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: amilibertine]
#14132562 - 03/16/11 06:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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dude thats the same yellowjournalistic bitch that always shows up.
Just take her words with a grain of salt
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: realfuzzhead]
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Just take her words with a grain of salt
I watched about half of that.
Just talking facts. Sounds like at least.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14132789 - 03/16/11 06:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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people are sending them to japan, it's humanitarian aid
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what a load of shit, you go off one in and you fall off into oblivion, you cant simply warp from one side to the other like it was star trek or something... jesus, you kids today with your educations... I swear
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Deeadhearts trust me i know, it sounds like all facts and im nott doing research or stating an official claim as to how she is wrong, but in the past she has really exaggerated claims about the republicans etc and she sounds all sincere but they dont just put peple on the news anymore without some ulterior motive..
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Rachael Madcow is no different than glenn beck, both are annoying fucks, both talk shit about politics and both have c cup tits
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: eloC]
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I live in the Northwest and I'm not worried at all.
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F0SS1L said: Because Americans (especially the media) thrive off fear.
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QFT
Simple media hysteria.
Same as the Muslim terrorist threat.
Manipulating people using their fears is the oldest trick in the book.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Shins]
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oldest trick in the book ey?
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seriously what is the oldest trick in the book? and who's book?
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: realfuzzhead]
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Does this notion of the 'books oldest trick' include papyrus scrolls as well? I bet there are some pretty old tricks written on them ancient scrolls.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: realfuzzhead]
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seriously what is the oldest trick in the book? and who's book?
the book of life, owned by all. the OLDEST trick? that's a good question...
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Prisoner#1 said: Rachael Madcow is no different than glenn beck, both are annoying fucks, both talk shit about politics and both have c cup tits

she's not nearly as crazy as beck, he said the earthquake was a message from god. he's bat-shit insane, she's just a liberal
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Listen I know what ur saying about the media. But in that video she was just going over what is taking place. How fuel rods are stored and blah blah.
Oh and Republicans and Democrats and the rest are a joke. Another form of division amongst the people.
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i think people are panicing because people are uniformed no fault of their own but age has a big factor in it.
20 somethings that werent old enough to remember chernoble (sp) or still haunted by what they learned with 3 mile island conveinantly blocked this shit for their minds and now its giving their memories a bitch smack.
just my 2 cents but i also believe that being safer than sorry is a better route to go in most situations. not that i practice it in all of them but hey..
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: dynomite]
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she's not nearly as crazy as beck, he said the earthquake was a message from god. he's bat-shit insane, she's just a liberal
who are you to say he's insane? To him, you are probably insane. Insanity is really subjective in my opinion. I do agree that he's WAY over the top, but that's what his job is! He gets paid the better his ratings are, so what better way to get people to watch you than being a little crazy. Rachel madcow (lol pris) is SUPER lib, and from a conservative standpoint, she is equally as crazy, if not crazier than Beck. Again, that's their job...to get people like us talking about how fucked up they are.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: DeadHearts]
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There is a lot of media hysteria and people with anti nuclear agendas are trying to take advantage of the panic for political gain. This is the same thing that happens every time there is a crisis.
A crisis is a terrible time to try and make policy as it allows scumbags with mal intent to take advantage of panic.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: setb]
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setb said: There is a lot of media hysteria and people with anti nuclear agendas are trying to take advantage of the panic for political gain. This is the same thing that happens every time there is a crisis.
A crisis is a terrible time to try and make policy as it allows scumbags with mal intent to take advantage of panic.
Yeah they always do this. Look at the campaigns after 9/11. It was disgusting.
I have never heard the words TERROR or MASS DESTRUCTION so much in my life.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Anthony917]
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she's not nearly as crazy as beck, he said the earthquake was a message from god. he's bat-shit insane, she's just a liberal
who are you to say he's insane? To him, you are probably insane. Insanity is really subjective in my opinion. I do agree that he's WAY over the top, but that's what his job is! He gets paid the better his ratings are, so what better way to get people to watch you than being a little crazy. Rachel madcow (lol pris) is SUPER lib, and from a conservative standpoint, she is equally as crazy, if not crazier than Beck. Again, that's their job...to get people like us talking about how fucked up they are.
there's a difference between having far-left or far-right political opinions and believing in a magic man in the sky who causes earthquakes
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: dynomite]
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let me put it this way
it would be a lot easier to pull up a bunch of video clips and quotes from beck to make him look crazy than it would be for maddow, not that it couldn't be done
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: dynomite]
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it would be a lot easier to pull up a bunch of video clips and quotes from beck to make him look crazy than it would be for maddow, not that it couldn't be done
according to you believing in God makes you insane? Gees, I'd think that you would have more of an open mind to the possibility, considering this IS a psychedelic drug forum....
You don't know shit. Not saying I believe in God, because I really have NO IDEA and neither does ANYONE ELSE. It's all a mystery, and for some people God is an incredibly powerful and driving force for good.
You're insane.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: dynomite]
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i never said i didn't believe in god but i certainly don't believe in a christian God, or whatever beck prays to about bringing disasters
i hate the word god
believing in god isn't what makes beck crazy. if you think he is a rational human being, you must not know much about him
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Anthony917]
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using nuclear energy to boil water always seemed retarded to me.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: imachavel]
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Tchan909 said: Japan is closer to the States than you think. You'll notice most maps have it at the opposite end from the states, but remember also that the world is round and when you go off one end you find yourself at the other.
I'm not worried about it personally, but it is something to think about.
yeah, it's really close, only on the other end of the pacific ocean, LMAO. that is only 3 times the length between here and europe, not that far at all, only on THE OPPOSITE END OF THE WORLD
Ok, I admit that my geographical intuition fell tragically short there. To be fair, I'm still riding off the electric shock to the system it was to learn that you can see Russia from Alaska.
Anyway yeah, what you said: if two nuclear bombs dropped on Japan didn't poison the west coast then I fail to see how a leaky reactor could.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: danielx]
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people are sending them to japan, it's humanitarian aid
Never thought of it that way! The news just said, their buying all of these iodide pills. Just in case of nuclear fall out here in New Mexico. But I guess you could be correct.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: dynomite]
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i hate the word god
believing in god isn't what makes beck crazy. if you think he is a rational human being, you must not know much about him
Ok I said earlier that Glenn Beck is definitely crazy IMO, but if you can sift through his nonsense, he DOES make valid points. I usually watch his program or listen to him on the radio for entertainment purposes, not actual news.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: eloC]
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I think people are buying them out of the irrational fear of nuclear fallout in America.....
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: danielx]
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: dynomite]
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she's not nearly as crazy as beck, he said the earthquake was a message from god. he's bat-shit insane, she's just a liberal
which makes her batshit insane
actually like was mentioned, yellow journalism, she just lies about shit to provoke a response from her cult of followers
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: McMushrooms420]
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I really dont understand it, if it falls out then just put it back in
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Just take her words with a grain of salt
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Tchan909 said: Anyway yeah, what you said: if two nuclear bombs dropped on Japan didn't poison the west coast then I fail to see how a leaky reactor could.
I don't think you realize how much radioactive material 40 years of spent fuel rods is. The amount of radioactive material total in this plant dwarfs the atomic bombs that were dropped.
Over and over I see these diagrams on the news showing the reactor buildings. In the diagrams you can clearly see that each one has a cooling pool for the spent fuel rods above the containment core where the active fuel is. So when I see those explosions destroying the entire building minus the containment core I think to myself: "where did all those spent fuel rods that were in those cooling pools go when the explosions happed?" The only answer I can come up with is that they were blown into the air and all over the area depending on the wind. That's the only possible outcome as far as I can tell. The Japanese government is definitely concealing the true extant of the radiation that's already been leaked. Like I said in my previous post, there are over 600,000 spent fuel rods total at the plant. They are every bit as dangerous as the active fuel rods, possibly more dangerous.
Shits getting out of hand.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: amilibertine]
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I don't think you realize how much radioactive material 40 years of spent fuel rods is. The amount of radioactive material total in this plant dwarfs the atomic bombs that were dropped.
Over and over I see these diagrams on the news showing the reactor buildings. In the diagrams you can clearly see that each one has a cooling pool for the spent fuel rods above the containment core where the active fuel is. So when I see those explosions destroying the entire building minus the containment core I think to myself: "where did all those spent fuel rods that were in those cooling pools go when the explosions happed?" The only answer I can come up with is that they were blown into the air and all over the area depending on the wind. That's the only possible outcome as far as I can tell. The Japanese government is definitely concealing the true extant of the radiation that's already been leaked. Like I said in my previous post, there are over 600,000 spent fuel rods total at the plant. They are every bit as dangerous as the active fuel rods, possibly more dangerous.
Shits getting out of hand.
You think the Japanese are lying to their own people? Why? If the radiation WAS at a dangerous level don't you think they would issue an evacuation? OF COURSE THEY WOULD!! What government is going to let their own people just sit and die? It's crazy to think that they would conceal the truth, especially when THOUSANDS of lives would be at stake. I think the truth is that everybody is blowing this out of proportion, and while it IS a serious threat...I don't think they're lying about it.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Anthony917]
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Tchan909 said: Anyway yeah, what you said: if two nuclear bombs dropped on Japan didn't poison the west coast then I fail to see how a leaky reactor could.
I don't think you realize how much radioactive material 40 years of spent fuel rods is. The amount of radioactive material total in this plant dwarfs the atomic bombs that were dropped.
Over and over I see these diagrams on the news showing the reactor buildings. In the diagrams you can clearly see that each one has a cooling pool for the spent fuel rods above the containment core where the active fuel is. So when I see those explosions destroying the entire building minus the containment core I think to myself: "where did all those spent fuel rods that were in those cooling pools go when the explosions happed?" The only answer I can come up with is that they were blown into the air and all over the area depending on the wind. That's the only possible outcome as far as I can tell. The Japanese government is definitely concealing the true extant of the radiation that's already been leaked. Like I said in my previous post, there are over 600,000 spent fuel rods total at the plant. They are every bit as dangerous as the active fuel rods, possibly more dangerous.
Shits getting out of hand.
You think the Japanese are lying to their own people? Why? If the radiation WAS at a dangerous level don't you think they would issue an evacuation? OF COURSE THEY WOULD!! What government is going to let their own people just sit and die? It's crazy to think that they would conceal the truth, especially when THOUSANDS of lives would be at stake. I think the truth is that everybody is blowing this out of proportion, and while it IS a serious threat...I don't think they're lying about it.
I dont think they mean that they are necessarily 'lying' about it, but I think they mean that they arent telling all the details. Do you know how crazy of a panic there would be if they told them that dangerous levels of radiation is flowing through Japan. People would go fucking nuts. I think they are downplaying the situation to keep everyone civil. If panic happened then people would be harder to control
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Anthony917]
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I don't think they're lying - but they're not revealing the entire truth either. They don't want to induce more panic - to 'them' - there are greater things at risk than public health here. Keep in mind its not the government completely in control either - its the Tokyo Electric company.
But I do agree people are blowing it out of proportion with the whole effects on the world and the US stuff - but the risk to the surrounding area is not properly stated by the government.
3 nuclear reactors, 1 with plutonium fuel, running completely without cooling systems after being damaged by multiple explosions is a huge risk to the surrounding region if you ask me.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Anthony917]
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Just take her words with a grain of salt
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Tchan909 said: Anyway yeah, what you said: if two nuclear bombs dropped on Japan didn't poison the west coast then I fail to see how a leaky reactor could.
I don't think you realize how much radioactive material 40 years of spent fuel rods is. The amount of radioactive material total in this plant dwarfs the atomic bombs that were dropped.
Over and over I see these diagrams on the news showing the reactor buildings. In the diagrams you can clearly see that each one has a cooling pool for the spent fuel rods above the containment core where the active fuel is. So when I see those explosions destroying the entire building minus the containment core I think to myself: "where did all those spent fuel rods that were in those cooling pools go when the explosions happed?" The only answer I can come up with is that they were blown into the air and all over the area depending on the wind. That's the only possible outcome as far as I can tell. The Japanese government is definitely concealing the true extant of the radiation that's already been leaked. Like I said in my previous post, there are over 600,000 spent fuel rods total at the plant. They are every bit as dangerous as the active fuel rods, possibly more dangerous.
Shits getting out of hand.
You think the Japanese are lying to their own people? Why? If the radiation WAS at a dangerous level don't you think they would issue an evacuation? OF COURSE THEY WOULD!! What government is going to let their own people just sit and die? It's crazy to think that they would conceal the truth, especially when THOUSANDS of lives would be at stake. I think the truth is that everybody is blowing this out of proportion, and while it IS a serious threat...I don't think they're lying about it.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: DeadHearts]
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Tchan909 said: Anyway yeah, what you said: if two nuclear bombs dropped on Japan didn't poison the west coast then I fail to see how a leaky reactor could.
I don't think you realize how much radioactive material 40 years of spent fuel rods is. The amount of radioactive material total in this plant dwarfs the atomic bombs that were dropped.
Over and over I see these diagrams on the news showing the reactor buildings. In the diagrams you can clearly see that each one has a cooling pool for the spent fuel rods above the containment core where the active fuel is. So when I see those explosions destroying the entire building minus the containment core I think to myself: "where did all those spent fuel rods that were in those cooling pools go when the explosions happed?" The only answer I can come up with is that they were blown into the air and all over the area depending on the wind. That's the only possible outcome as far as I can tell. The Japanese government is definitely concealing the true extant of the radiation that's already been leaked. Like I said in my previous post, there are over 600,000 spent fuel rods total at the plant. They are every bit as dangerous as the active fuel rods, possibly more dangerous.
Shits getting out of hand.
You think the Japanese are lying to their own people? Why? If the radiation WAS at a dangerous level don't you think they would issue an evacuation? OF COURSE THEY WOULD!! What government is going to let their own people just sit and die? It's crazy to think that they would conceal the truth, especially when THOUSANDS of lives would be at stake. I think the truth is that everybody is blowing this out of proportion, and while it IS a serious threat...I don't think they're lying about it.

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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Why the fuck did they store over half a million spent fuel rods in a 40 year old nuke facility located in the most seismically active area in the world? We are soooo fucked, we are totally fucked.
That shit was blown sky high...
Well at least the deniers won't be able to get away with their bullshit this time; we'll see the effects of this disaster in the very near future
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: AsAboveSoBelow]
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Plume alert
"A United Nations forecast of the possible movement of the radioactive plume coming from crippled Japanese reactors shows it churning across the Pacific, and touching the Aleutian Islands on Thursday before hitting Southern California late Friday."
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/17/science/17plume.html
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Devlish2]
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"A United Nations forecast of the possible movement of the radioactive plume coming from crippled Japanese reactors shows it churning across the Pacific, and touching the Aleutian Islands on Thursday before hitting Southern California late Friday."
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/17/science/17plume.html
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: AsAboveSoBelow]
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God dammit you people are fucking retarded, do any of you have ANY actual knowledge about say a 1st Gen GE BWR reactor?
THERE IS NO NUCLEAR 'FALLOUT' THE RADIATION LEVELS ARE EXTREMELY LOW THERE IS NO DANGER, THIS IS ALL JUST CNN TRYING TOMAKE SOME MONEY FROM A BUNCH OF RETARDS.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Spiralout112]
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Why didn't they have nice weather reports warning folks when the fallout clouds would be overhead when the US tested shit loads of atomic weapons on our own soil?
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: twighead]
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: amilibertine]
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I think there is A LOT we are not being told, just like how the Soviet Union tried to hide what happened at Chernobyl until radiation was detected in Eastern Europe.
Its not that they are hiding anything. They literally just don't know that much. The radiation levels are such that they have a very small group of people dealing with several problems that come up that know they will probably die from over exposure. The real problem is that now this 1 plant in particular is so dangerous people can't really be there to report the facts.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: caphillkid]
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Not that I think the US is in danger. Well besides the possible earthquake lol. I love how most of you act like some kind of nuclear scientist. Why are you guys not out writing books or some shit?
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: DeadHearts]
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uh people do read still
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: caphillkid]
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: DeadHearts]
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Shit, if someone posts one to many paragraphs around hereyou can count on many whining about it lol.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: DeadHearts]
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: DeadHearts]
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People freak out for little to no reason. Johnny Carson once announced on the Tonight Show a massive shortage of toilet paper during one of his bits... People actually rushed out to stores across America and hoarded toilet paper.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: twighead]
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: eloC]
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Its sad really how people are so scared of nuclear power, modern reactor designs are, as far as science can tell us foolproof. The problem with the reactors in question is that they were designed in the 60's, and built in the 70's, and thus they use only active safety systems instead of active and passive ones, which means that the systems in the plant must have power to keep the reaction absolutely 10,000% safe, and that was the biggest issue really, the plant had multiple levels of redundant backup diesel generators, and all of them were taken out, they also had a absolute last resort battery bank that kept the emergency coolant systems running for the 8h that they were designed for. Generators were then airlifted into the plant and hooked up, unfortunately they only had power to keep 2 of the 3 previously operational reactors cooled, the number 3 reactor was still under control though. Keep this in mind, even if the core went absolutely critical it would still be contained, theres 3 levels of containment, the fuel rods count as one (melting point 3000C) theres a second layer which is what they are venting the gas from and theres the third layer which is called the 'Core Catcher', 7 inches of solid steel and 7M of concrete, yea thats right bitches, whats happing now is just little chicken shit problems.
So soon as the quake hit the graphite control rods inserted into the core and did what they were supposed to, slow down the neutrons bouncing around inside to the point where they no longer created a fission reaction, the thing about a nuclear reaction is that you have to have the neutrons moving at a certain speed to make anything happen, to fast or to slow and it dies out and kills itself. Which is what they base a lot of the passive safety systems on now, for example some reactors are surrounded by heavy water which slows down neutrons, and if the core heats up to out of control temperatures the heavy water will evaporate and the neutrons will be moving too fast, thus the ability to create nuclear fission evaporates like the water, core settles down and then they pour some water over it for 36h until it reaches a cold shutdown temp, which is 100c or lower, which 2 if not 3 of the reactors at Fukushima have done now.
Another thing is that what they are dealing with right now is a shut down reactor that has some trace elements that are still reacting, they burn off slowly, the same kind of thing is actually what caused Chernobyl, except they did the opposite, bogged down the reactor, they wondered why nothing was happening so they pulled all the safety's off and put the thing to absolute max power, then the elements that were bogging down the reaction burned off and the motherfucker went critical like nobody's business. Didn't help that the guy running the plant at the time was only certified on a coal plant... freakin ruskies. Anyways what I was getting at is that they are dealing with a heat load that is 3% of what a reactor running under normal operations is so again this is nothing that exciting.
Edit: for those of you who still like to read and learn instead of having some bigoted asshole on your tv tell you what to believe check out this site, seems to be a nice source of un biased NEWS
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Spiralout112]
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I'm gonna kick Japan's ass if a radiation cloud from their reactor reaches the West Coast.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Poid]
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OK heres the bottom line
According to this site http://www.radiologyinfo.org/en/safety/index.cfm?pg=sfty_xray
The average dose with a x-ray is about 10mSv
The peak level recorded at the plant was 400mSv
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readings have dropped from 3.780 millisieverts to 3.752 millisieverts, so the effect at present seems marginal at best.
So all this hype has been about a radiation dose equivelant to at the absolute worst 40 x-rays...
So do you now see why this is all just a steaming pile of media bullshit?
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Spiralout112]
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According to this site http://www.radiologyinfo.org/en/safety/index.cfm?pg=sfty_xray
The average dose with a x-ray is about 10mSv
The peak level recorded at the plant was 400mSv
Currently the levels are " readings have dropped from 3.780 millisieverts to 3.752 millisieverts, so the effect at present seems marginal at best."
So all this hype has been about a radiation dose equivelant to at the absolute worst 40 x-rays...
So do you now see why this is all just a steaming pile of media bullshit?
27 Signs That The Nuclear Crisis In Japan Is Much Worse Than Either The Mainstream Media Or The Japanese Government Have Been Telling Us
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Spiralout112]
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The entire reactor can meltdown; if that happens, we're fucked. Well, at least I'm fucked because I live really close to the coast.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Poid]
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Close to the coast.... 5,000 miles away.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: amilibertine]
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K well lets have a look
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#1 Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan is urging all people living within 30 kilometers of the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear facility to stay indoors.
#2 Andre-Claude Lacoste, the head of France's Nuclear Safety Authority, says that the containment vessel surrounding the No. 2 reactor at Japan's Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear complex is "no longer sealed".
#3 Radiation levels in Tokyo are already 10 times above normal levels.
#4 Reuters is reporting that some residents of Tokyo are already starting to flee the city.
#5 Radiation levels in one city north of Tokyo, Utsunomiya, were recently reported to be 33 times above normal levels.
#6 Radiation levels in the city of Saitama have been reported to be 40 times above normal levels.
#7 According to Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan, the "possibility of further radioactive leakage is heightening."
#8 The Japanese government is admitting that radiation levels near the Fukushima Dai-ichi complex are very harmful to human health.
#9 According to the World Nuclear Association, exposure to over 100 millisieverts of radiation a year can lead to cancer. At this point the level of radiation being measured right outside the number 4 reactor at the Fukushima Dai-ichi complex is 400 millisieverts per hour.
#10 A U.S. Navy crew that was assisting in relief efforts was exposed to a month’s worth of nuclear radiation in just a single hour.
#11 According to the U.S. Navy, low levels of radiation have been detected at their bases in Yokosuka and Atsugi.
#12 The USS Ronald Reagan recently detected significant levels of radiation 100 miles off the Japanese coast.
#13 The operator of the Fukushima Dai-ichi complex has pulled out 750 of the 800 workers that were working at the facility.
#14 The French embassy in Tokyo is advising French citizens to leave the city.
#15 The German embassy in Tokyo is advising all German citizens to leave the country entirely.
#16 German technology company SAP is evacuating their offices in Tokyo.
#17 Austria has announced that it is moving its embassy from Tokyo to Osaka due to fears about the radiation.
#18 Finland is urging all of their citizens to leave Tokyo.
#19 The Czech military is sending planes to Japan specifically to evacuate the Czech Philharmonic Orchestra.
#20 Air China is canceling many flights to Tokyo.
#21 The Chinese Embassy has announced that it will be evacuating all Chinese citizens from the Miyagi, Fukushima, Ibaraki and Iwate prefectures.
#22 Russia is making preparations to evacuate civilians and military units from the Kuril Islands.
#23 Physicist Frank von Hippel recently told the New York Times the following about this disaster: "It’s way past Three Mile Island already".
#24 The president of France's nuclear safety authority says that this crisis is now almost as bad as Chernobyl was....
"It's clear we are at Level 6, that's to say we're at a level in between what happened at Three Mile Island and Chernobyl."
#25 There have been reports of extremely high radiation at another nuclear facility in Japan. It has been reported that at the Onagawa nuclear plant radiation that is 700 times the normal level was detected at one point.
#26 One anonymous senior nuclear industry executive told The Times Of India that Japanese power industry managers are "basically in a full-scale panic" and that "they don't know what to do".
#27 It is also being reported that there were over 600,000 spent fuel rods stored at the Fukushima Dai-ichi complex. Most of these rods were apparently stored near the top of the 6 reactor buildings. There have already been major explosions at three of those buildings. It is now feared that there is now nothing to prevent many of these spent fuel rods from releasing radiation into the atmosphere. That is really, really bad news.
So is there a threat that nuclear radiation from Japan could reach the United States?
Well, actually everyone agrees that radiation could reach the United States. The controversy is whether or not it will be enough to be harmful to human health.
at least half of that list is more likely a result of the whole mess that the country is in rather than the 'nuclear issue' or at least been slandered to seem more along those lines
and the other main points are that the levels are, for example '10x above normal', but they don't tell you what normal is, if it was anything noteworthy im sure they would have thrown some numbers in, but there isn't anything there so they just write a sentence that sounds scary but really doesn't mean anything.
I will admit that the fires in the buildings where the spent fuel is stored is a little worrysome but still the casings on the fuel rods are able to handle 3000 degrees C before they fail, i dont think many fires burn quite that hot, and the hydrogen explosions that were causing havoc before wont be happening anymore since there is no more reason to vent the now cooled reactors.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: twighead]
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I'm more worried about a Nuclear power plant being so close to the ocean here in California.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Onofre_Nuclear_Generating_Station
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Fernis]
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Well it hasn't blown up or fucked up yet in 30 years so no need to start worrying extra now.
That plant has far more secure construction than the Japanese plant as well.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Poid]
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The entire reactor can meltdown; if that happens, we're fucked. Well, at least I'm fucked because I live really close to the coast. 
DUDE THE REACTOR CAN MELT DOWN AND STILL BE CONTAINED, thats why they call it a containment vessel.
AND if you knew anything about nuclear power you would realize that theres no fucking possible way that a reactor thats been shut down can just go and fire back up and blow itself to shit NOT POSSIBLE!!!!!!!
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: twighead]
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always, always take what the media says with a grain of salt, especially if it comes from fox, CNN, and bbc. more big earthquakes seem like a bigger threat.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Spiralout112]
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I meant the West Coast of the US.
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The entire reactor can meltdown; if that happens, we're fucked. Well, at least I'm fucked because I live really close to the coast. 
DUDE THE REACTOR CAN MELT DOWN AND STILL BE CONTAINED, thats why they call it a containment vessel.
Sure, it can be contained, but seeing as some radiation has already leaked, I don't think it's too far-fetched to assume that a major leak can occur.
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I don't know much about nuclear reactors honestly, I'm just going by what I've heard; I heard that there are fears that the entire reactor might melt down.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Poid]
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I meant the West Coast of the US.
That is what he meant.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: gzuf]
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Tchan909 said: Japan is closer to the States than you think. You'll notice most maps have it at the opposite end from the states, but remember also that the world is round and when you go off one end you find yourself at the other.
I'm not worried about it personally, but it is something to think about.
yeah, it's really close, only on the other end of the pacific ocean, LMAO. that is only 3 times the length between here and europe, not that far at all, only on THE OPPOSITE END OF THE WORLD
Ok, I admit that my geographical intuition fell tragically short there. To be fair, I'm still riding off the electric shock to the system it was to learn that you can see Russia from Alaska.
Anyway yeah, what you said: if two nuclear bombs dropped on Japan didn't poison the west coast then I fail to see how a leaky reactor could.
what else can i say but use a emoticon?
i knew russia and alaska were close at the straight, but you can actually look over and see one another? INSANE
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Poid]
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Yea sorry overreacted a bit, the leaked radiation was done on purpose, it was filtered down to acceptable levels, so no animals were harmed in the cooling of this nuclear reaction, at least not that much.
This stuff thats going on now is actually expected, the systems are in place to vent this stuff with most of the radiation scrubbed from it, and the explosions are absolutely predictable and by predictable I mean that they knew this could happen when they built the plant, they are venting water vapor that is so hot that when it's given a chance to expand it splits into its basic elements, which are mostly hydrogen and oxygen, hence all the hydrogen fires/explosions, the buildings are considered expendable, the only thing that really matters is the cores and those are so protected its hillarious.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Spiralout112]
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Spiralout112 said: Its sad really how people are so scared of nuclear power, modern reactor designs are, as far as science can tell us foolproof. The problem with the reactors in question is that they were designed in the 60's, and built in the 70's, and thus they use only active safety systems instead of active and passive ones, which means that the systems in the plant must have power to keep the reaction absolutely 10,000% safe, and that was the biggest issue really, the plant had multiple levels of redundant backup diesel generators, and all of them were taken out, they also had a absolute last resort battery bank that kept the emergency coolant systems running for the 8h that they were designed for. Generators were then airlifted into the plant and hooked up, unfortunately they only had power to keep 2 of the 3 previously operational reactors cooled, the number 3 reactor was still under control though. Keep this in mind, even if the core went absolutely critical it would still be contained, theres 3 levels of containment, the fuel rods count as one (melting point 3000C) theres a second layer which is what they are venting the gas from and theres the third layer which is called the 'Core Catcher', 7 inches of solid steel and 7M of concrete, yea thats right bitches, whats happing now is just little chicken shit problems.
So soon as the quake hit the graphite control rods inserted into the core and did what they were supposed to, slow down the neutrons bouncing around inside to the point where they no longer created a fission reaction, the thing about a nuclear reaction is that you have to have the neutrons moving at a certain speed to make anything happen, to fast or to slow and it dies out and kills itself. Which is what they base a lot of the passive safety systems on now, for example some reactors are surrounded by heavy water which slows down neutrons, and if the core heats up to out of control temperatures the heavy water will evaporate and the neutrons will be moving too fast, thus the ability to create nuclear fission evaporates like the water, core settles down and then they pour some water over it for 36h until it reaches a cold shutdown temp, which is 100c or lower, which 2 if not 3 of the reactors at Fukushima have done now.
Another thing is that what they are dealing with right now is a shut down reactor that has some trace elements that are still reacting, they burn off slowly, the same kind of thing is actually what caused Chernobyl, except they did the opposite, bogged down the reactor, they wondered why nothing was happening so they pulled all the safety's off and put the thing to absolute max power, then the elements that were bogging down the reaction burned off and the motherfucker went critical like nobody's business. Didn't help that the guy running the plant at the time was only certified on a coal plant... freakin ruskies. Anyways what I was getting at is that they are dealing with a heat load that is 3% of what a reactor running under normal operations is so again this is nothing that exciting.
Edit: for those of you who still like to read and learn instead of having some bigoted asshole on your tv tell you what to believe check out this site, seems to be a nice source of un biased NEWS
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/default.aspx
that was the most incredible thing i've ever read. very technical. very enlightening. wow
i didn't know with chernobyl they did that, took all the safeties off and put it to max power. pripyat, crazy. isn't pripyat still abandoned from radiation poisoning? anyway yeah the japs have had it rough with radiation for quite awhile now, i mean they just CAN'T GET A BREAK
first the whole hiroshima nagasaki thing forever, now this. jesus they might as well call japan, radiapan... haha
oh well. so you are saying they have made most reactors very safe, by design only? but most designs haven't been implemented? NUTS
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Spiralout112]
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It's OK, just don't have a meltdown.
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Ah, I was unaware of this, thanks for informing me. 
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Poid]
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Spiralout112]
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This stuff thats going on now is actually expected, the systems are in place to vent this stuff with most of the radiation scrubbed from it, and the explosions are absolutely predictable and by predictable I mean that they knew this could happen when they built the plant, they are venting water vapor that is so hot that when it's given a chance to expand it splits into its basic elements, which are mostly hydrogen and oxygen, hence all the hydrogen fires/explosions, the buildings are considered expendable, the only thing that really matters is the cores and those are so protected its hillarious.
it's insane how you can get rid of radiation by scrubbing with, different types of water with chemicals in the water right? did you hear of that huge nuclear test they did with a ton of battleships RIGHT after world war 2 ended? they detonated this huge nuclear bomb in the ocean, it destroyed a bunch of battleships. but a few weren't destroyed. anyway, these things being so expensive, they decided not to let them go to waste i guess is what they though. oh well.
anyway they put all the people on deck and they hosed down and scrubbed off most of the radiation i guess with a certain type of water with chemicals in it to scrub down radiation. anyway, apparently this would 'normally' work, but since the atom bomb was detonated underwater the explosion was bigger than they thought, and therefore put more radiation on the ship then they suspected. a lot of marines died of radiation poisoning. and no this isn't the famous underwater nuke test with all the videos. as far as i know, this was in the 40s before 1950, and was completely classified.
anyway, i never knew radiation would only be on the surface of the ship anyway. i thought it being particles of atoms scattered around and breaking apart more atoms, would soak deep into anything it touched. that was the most amazing part to me, that this would have worked. god damn military, insane.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: The_Ghost]
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: imachavel]
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DUDE THE REACTOR CAN MELT DOWN AND STILL BE CONTAINED, thats why they call it a containment vessel.
AND if you knew anything about nuclear power you would realize that theres no fucking possible way that a reactor thats been shut down can just go and fire back up and blow itself to shit NOT POSSIBLE!!!!!!!
From what I understand the Three Mile Island reactor completely melted down into a homogeneous mass; yet it wasn't such a huge disaster because it was 100% contained.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: setb]
#14137052 - 03/17/11 02:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Pharma companies have stakes in the media biz. Over hyped radiation exposure. What we see: "Oh no radiation, go to cvs and get whatever label says will protect from over exposure"
What pharma companies see: "PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT"
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: unknown1123]
#14139473 - 03/17/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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unknown1123 said: Pharma companies have stakes in the media biz. Over hyped radiation exposure. What we see: "Oh no radiation, go to cvs and get whatever label says will protect from over exposure"
What pharma companies see: "PROFIT PROFIT PROFIT"
Could be, but I think it's more plausible that the anti nuclear folks are just trying to take advantage of the situation. From what I hear CNN, fox news, msnbc, etc. are putting on (or have put on) anti-nuclear "activists" without identifying them as such. These activists are interviewed as nuclear experts, etc.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: setb]
#14139507 - 03/17/11 09:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think it's just damn fine (profitable) "journalism" to keep people on the edge of their seats with threats of nuclear apocalypse, so the newscasters leap on the opportunity whenever remotely possible.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14139520 - 03/17/11 09:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said: I think it's just damn fine (profitable) "journalism" to keep people on the edge of their seats with threats of nuclear apocalypse, so the newscasters leap on the opportunity whenever remotely possible.
Pretty much. Their job seems to be to keep the majority in a constant state of fear.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: eloC]
#14139679 - 03/17/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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eloC said: I mean seriously? There is no way any nuclear radiation is going to reach the states. I just saw on the news, every supplement store sold out of iodine pills.. REALLY?
Lol the nuclear fallout that goes into the upper atmosphere takes 50+ years to settle to the earth. The immediate radiation is just the beginning. Oh and radiation increases cancer rates. It's not just the food in America that gives us more cancer, do a little homework on all the Nuclear testing done in the USA and the nuclear radiation levels in each state on wikipedia.
Nuclear anything is really nasty. The only reason we have to use this horrible technology is because we don't have a better alternative. I hope to God the folks at CERN discover the Neutrino soon and develop it as a power source with no waste, no danger to society.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: iluvfungi]
#14139744 - 03/17/11 09:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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eloC said: I mean seriously? There is no way any nuclear radiation is going to reach the states. I just saw on the news, every supplement store sold out of iodine pills.. REALLY?
Lol the nuclear fallout that goes into the upper atmosphere takes 50+ years to settle to the earth. The immediate radiation is just the beginning. Oh and radiation increases cancer rates. It's not just the food in America that gives us more cancer, do a little homework on all the Nuclear testing done in the USA and the nuclear radiation levels in each state on wikipedia.
Nuclear anything is really nasty. The only reason we have to use this horrible technology is because we don't have a better alternative. I hope to God the folks at CERN discover the Neutrino soon and develop it as a power source with no waste, no danger to society.
Something like 5% of the fuel actually gets used before the rod becomes too contaminated with daughter elements to be of use. If we recycled our fuel rods we would not only stretch our supply of nuclear fuel but greatly cut down on the waste. We could even go through our waste stockpiles and start recycling those.
I wish I knew why we didn't do this.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: eloC]
#14139820 - 03/17/11 09:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Because the media has whipped the masses into hysteria with sensational reporting. Spent fuel rods in a holding pond became uncovered and began melting. What is being vented are a couple of radioactive isotopes that have a very short half life, less than 8 days total. There is no more runaway reaction occuring. They have put enough boric acid on the piles to quelch the reaction. Boron is a neutron moderator that absorbs neutrons given off during fission. When the neutrons are absorbed, the result is heat, when enough are absorbed. The reaction will stop. What they are dealing with now is residual heat from the pile.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: starfire_xes]
#14259003 - 04/08/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I went to my doctor yesterday for something unrelated, and asked him about Iodine pills. He said they're nearly impossible to get, but I should try because I live 4 days from japan via jet stream and it will hit me on the island off Canada's coast with deadly consequences. If its a controlled meltdown and the fallout isn't bad, the iodine pills will save me, if one fully melts down, the iodine might save me. If one melts down and causes a chain reaction melting down all 6 because of their proximity to each other, we're all dead anyways and iodine will only postpone the inevitable horrible death we will all receive. So uh, enjoy! You won't be saved on the East Coast, it carries it around the globe. The South Pole or Australia might be safe? I dunno. The Mayans were right people, RAPE EVERYONE, LOOT, RIOT, KILL KILL KILL!!!!!
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Irishdrunk]
#14259017 - 04/08/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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And then the pharmacist whispered to me that they had 3 bottles they shared among the pharmacists, and cant get any more. The company that makes them has pre-orders lasting years, so ordering more will take years to get. Lets hope governments stockpile it. But he also said the same thing, that if one or more reactors melts down, we're dead anyways and only our thyroid will survive. Thyroids can't reproduce babies!!!! DOOOOOOOOOOMED
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Irishdrunk]
#14259085 - 04/08/11 03:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you cant get potassium iodine buy Kelp. Its actually much better.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: masterfluffypants]
#14259101 - 04/08/11 03:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Interesting!!!!!
Where would one obtain this Kelp from? The ocean 30 feet away? Or is there a special non harbor kelp that doesn't taste like boat oil?
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Irishdrunk]
#14259199 - 04/08/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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BTW if you're interested in the truth, not what your government tells you about nuclear plants. Read this!
http://doctorapsley.com/RadiationTherapy.aspx
Initial Impact: We have a great deal of lessons learned from the case related to the April 1986 Chernobyl incident concerning a single reactor's complete meltdown. If I were defining stages to a meltdown, I would use the following guidelines:(I), 110-113
Ø Phase I Meltdown is when hydrogen gases build up to the extent that the outer containment structure explodes or vents large amounts of steam containing lower molecular weight radioactive isotopes, i.e., Iodide-131; Cesium-137, Strontium-90 and/or Tellurium-132. Ø Phase II Meltdown is when the outer coatings to the fuel rods (Zircaloy) exceed 2000oF, and the inner most containment structure cracks and starts seeping heavier elements into the environment, i.e., Barium-140, Plutonium-244/240/239/238, and/or Uranium-235/234. Ø Phase III Meltdown is when the Zircaloy ignites causing an explosion, resulting in a global catastrophic event because the most lethal of all radioactive isotopes, Plutonium-244/240/239/238 and/or Uranium-235/234 are jettisoned high into the atmosphere, and proceed to contaminate across the globe.
We now know that as of March 16th, Fukushima's nuclear reactor units 1, 2 & 3 have all experienced at least Phase I Meltdown, and since Plutonium has been detected in the outer environment, one or more Units is likely to have experienced a Phase II Meltdown according to the above criteria.119 Plus we have fuel rods in non-containment shielded pools of water at Units 4, 5 & 6. These are also potentially prone to release toxic radioactive isotopes or possibly explode if water levels should fall and expose these rods to open air for sufficient time periods (see National Academy of Science report: NAS3-15-05.pdf). Phase I Meltdown has occurred at least in Unit 4. The only difference the pundits may now debate is related to the fact that these exposed reactor cores and exposed fuel rods have yet to suffer a powerful secondary Zirconium oxide (Zircaloy) explosion as Chernobyl appears to have undergone back in April of 1986.(I) Now at least one top expert, Helmut Hirsch, states the damage at Fukushima according to standards under the International Nuclear Event Scale (INES) now equals that of the Chernobyl incident.122 Yet, to counter these experts, the big guns have been pulled out. Scientific American on April 6th reports that, "Wolfgang Weiss, chairman of the United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR), also said the Fukushima disaster was less dramatic than Chernobyl in 1986 but "much more serious" than Three Mile Island in 1979. "It is in between in terms of environmental effects, not in terms of health impact," Weiss told reporters." Weiss goes on to report that the only "proven" health disaster from the Chernobyl incident was thyroid cancer in children.128 Hmmmm. Nice try UNSCEAR, but until you start discussing the Petkau Effect and the latest reports on both Three Mile Island and Chernobyl, you will have a difficult time convincing the common sense crowd.129, 130, 131, 132, 133, 134
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Irishdrunk]
#14259245 - 04/08/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow Japan sucks at making Nuclear plants... I just realized that it wasn't just the 1 plant that got fucked up, the coolant systems stopped working at plants Onagawa, Tokai, 600 liters of spent fuel water was lost at Rokkasho the Fukkushimu II plant had multiple failures (unrelated to the big issue at I..) and the Fukkushimu I.. which is the only one that you hear about on the news, has had multiple partial meltdowns so far. (or so it's thought? the reporting sucks ass)
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: twighead]
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: unknown1123]
#14259279 - 04/08/11 03:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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but it did reach the states....lol do your research, recalled milk because of nuclulear particles landing on the grazing fields of cows. true story
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: cdnshroom]
#14259286 - 04/08/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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cdnshroom said: but it did reach the states....lol do your research, recalled milk because of nuclulear particles landing on the grazing fields of cows. true story
Is it? I know there was a big hype story about it but I don't remember any recalls or levels anywhere above the acceptable.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Irishdrunk]
#14259291 - 04/08/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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SHORT TERM ANTIDOTES:
1. N-Acetyl-Cysteine (NAC) is the most powerful short term quencher of ionizing radiation. It is a nutrient, a simple amino acid from protein. For adults (weighing above 150lbs) , it may be taken in dosages of 500mg to 600mg daily for protection from toxic metals and other poisons. For younger adults weighing 100lbs to 149lbs, 400mg to 500mg daily affords adequate protection in most situations. In children weighing less than 100lbs, but above 50lbs, 200mg daily is a suitable dose. For infants, toddlers or children weighing less than 50lbs, 50mg to 100mg daily may be used in juice, as long as no sensitivity to NAC arises (i.e., light skin rashes). In this manner, NAC may be used daily on an indefinite basis, as it is a harmless amino acid our bodies will use to establish antioxidant defenses and aid the immune system. It is also an adequate remover (i.e., chelator - from the Greek which means that which "grabs onto or claws into") of toxic metals from the body, such as radioactive cobalt and directly and indirectly uranium.44, 45, 46 Uranium is quite stubborn about exiting without a fight and could require baking soda to speed things up - see references at very end of page - plus melatonin.23 Liver protection from fall-out radioisotopes like uranium, plutonium, etc... is nicely accomplished via combining NAC + Sea Vegetables (see next) + Melatonin + Selenium + small amounts of baking soda (see number 7 below for all advisories). Lastly - rarely some adults are sensitive to NAC, so be aware of special advisories regarding its long term use. In those cases, use high-quality Whey products.6, 7
2. Iodide is also a first line of defense mineral supplement, since it can out-compete radioactive iodide from entering into our bodies.11 Kelp and other seaweeds are also excellent chelators of toxic metals from the body, especially if high fiber intake is also being incorporated into the diet.9, 10, 83, 84
Despite misinformation to the contrary, if you have no known allergy to shellfish or iodide, rationale supplementation with iodide can be a good thing. For average size adult women, daily Thyroid needs amount to 50mcg alone, while breast tissues, ovaries and other tissues collectively require up to 3000mcg daily. For men, their intake should be at least 1,000mcg daily, unless they are sensitive to the mineral.74, 75, 76 Eclectic physicians may use up to ten times or more of the female dose to treat chronic fatigue and advanced Fibromyalgia with great success,77 as well as to detoxify out of the system the toxic halides bromide, chloride and fluoride.78
For example, individual tablets of Kelp, Irish Moss or Dulse typically contain on average 200mcg of iodine. So, 5 tablets taken at once may equal 1,000mcg of iodine. If 5 tablets are taken at each meal, then the daily dose of iodine from these sources alone would approach 3,000mcg daily. However as referenced above, building up slowly to this level is essential, as iodine tends to rinse out toxic body burdens of toxic fluoride, bromide and chlorine if present. Therefore, when high levels of iodine are taken too quickly without building up to optimal levels, these toxic elements may exit en mass too quickly causing skin rashes, minor hair loss, or very rarely even asthmatic reactions. Eclectic physicians will neutralize this sensitivity with up to 3,000mg daily of Vitamin C.79 But by simply discontinuing the supplement for several days, skin or hair issues should quickly clear up on their own. But if you do experience anything more dramatic, check in with your doctor right away. So always increase slowly and according to tolerance to avoid getting into this kind of situation to begin with. Remember, iodine is an essential nutrient our bodies must have every day to make adequate levels of essential hormones.
If sensitivities to iodine do surface, and then clear after discontinuing, and you want to resume taking iodine supplements, check in with your doctor and see if he or she will allow you to begin taking 3,000mg of Vitamin C daily, and then give you the go-ahead to start with very small iodine of iodine daily (1/4 tablet daily). Slowly work up to a maximum of 1 tablet daily, and report to your doctor if your tolerance to iodine at this level of intake is secure. Gradually over time, most folks can up their dosage in this manner, although more slowly than other people. Several months down the road, one initially sensitive may find themselves able to take 400mcg to 1,000mcg daily if patience rules the process. In the rare event any intake of iodide causes resumption of symptoms, including minor hair loss, substitute Chlorella or Spirulina below.
3. Chlorella (and other blue green algae) is a superior protector and chelator of radioactive metals from the body and contains no less than 20 superior neutralizers to radioactive poisons. 5 per meal (250mg each or 1250mg per meal) is a great dose for adults, 3 per meal for young adults and children, and 1 per meal for the very young. Make sure the Chlorella brand you buy has the outer cell wall "cracked" for best absorption. More may be taken, but it is suggested to never exceed 40 tablets daily for adults. Spirulina is a very acceptable cheaper alternative, although the taste is more objectionable for children.3, 4, 29
4. High quality bone meal (rich in Calcium & Strontium Hydroxyapatite) will also protect against radioactive strontium poisoning and penetration of uranium into bone. 3 per meal as labeled is suggested for adults, young adults and children, and 1-2 per meal for the very young.12
5. Natural Vitamin E Complex - To stop cell membrane destruction. 800iu per day is an excellent dose for average adults, and 400iu per day for young adults and children. Toddlers and infants may be given 100iu per day in juice. (Side Note: Krill Oil, CoQ10(H) and Melatonin are more powerful than Vit. E, but also more expensive. See below...)
6. Consuming High fiber and seaweed dishes on a regular basis must be used to maximize the best effects of the above tools. These will help insure removal (chelation) of toxic radioactive metals from the body.
7. Baking soda - Should be taken only on rare occasions, that is, only if exposures to uranium or plutonium can be confirmed, even in trace amounts, for your area. Baking soda is an efficient means to remove these metals quickly (especially uranium). There are several medical conditions which contradict taking baking soda, so be sure you have doctor's clearance before consuming baking soda. Taking baking soda once weekly should pose no health threat if no other medical conditions are present which require restriction of sodium intake. For adults with no medical contraindications, and who have good reason to believe they have been exposed to traces of radioactive fall-out, especially uranium, taking 1 teaspoon of baking soda in 1 cup water or juice up to seven (7) times daily on an empty stomach - on one day out of every seven days - may be warranted. If you have a day of fasting each week, or one of light eating, this would be the perfect day to perform this procedure; but again, only if it has been confirmed you were likely exposed to extremely low levels of the radioactive heavy metals such as uranium. Please see the long list of abstracts regarding baking soda as an effective chelator of radioactive elements at the very end of this document).14, 15
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Irishdrunk]
#14259351 - 04/08/11 03:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Q: What are the top two tools to protect oneself from initial stages of radioactive Fall-Out?
A: NAC & Kelp (must not be allergic to shellfish or iodine. If allergic, switch off of Kelp and onto Chlorella or Spirulina):
Ø Average adults (weighing +150lbs): 500mg to 600mg NAC at breakfast, and 5 Kelp tablets with each meal.
Ø Young adults and larger children (weighing 100lbs - 149lbs): 300mg to 500mg NAC at breakfast, and 3 tablets of Kelp with each meal.
Ø For smaller children (weighing 50lbs - 99lbs): 100mg to 250mg NAC at breakfast, and 1 tablet of Kelp with each meal sprinkled into juice.
Ø For the very young (weighing less than 50lbs): 50mg to 100mg NAC, and 1 tablet Kelp daily sprinkled into juice.
Q: What are the top two least expensive tools to protect oneself from initial stages of radioactive Fall-Out?
A: Kelp & Spirulina (plus high fiber foods such as raw apples, pears, grapes, cherries, plums, blue berries, etc...).80, 81
Ø Average adults (weighing +150lbs): 5 tablets of Kelp & 5 tablets Spirulina with each meal.
Ø Young adults and larger children (weighing 100lbs - 149lbs): 3 tablets of Kelp & 3 tablets Spirulina with each meal.
Ø For smaller children (weighing 50lbs - 99lbs): 1 tablet of Kelp & 1 tablet Chlorella(E) with each meal sprinkled into juice.
Ø For the very young (weighing less than 50lbs): 1 tablet Kelp & 1 tablet Chlorella daily sprinkled into juice.
Q: What are the top three tools to protect oneself from initial stages of radioactive Fall-Out?
A: NAC, Kelp and Chlorella.
Ø Average adults (weighing +150lbs): 500mg to 600mg NAC at breakfast, 5 Kelp tablets & 5 Chlorella tablets with each meal.
Ø Young adults and larger children (weighing 100lbs - 149lbs): 300mg to 500mg NAC at breakfast, 3 tablets of Kelp & 3 Chlorella tablets with each meal.
Ø For smaller children (weighing 50lbs - 99lbs): 100mg to 200mg NAC at breakfast, 1 tablet of Kelp & 1 tablet of Chlorella with each meal sprinkled into juice.
Ø For the very young (weighing less than 50lbs): 50mg to 100mg NAC, 1 tablet Kelp & 1 tablet Chlorella daily sprinkled into juice.
Q: What are the top four tools to protect oneself from initial stages of radioactive Fall-Out?
A: NAC, Kelp, Chlorella and Krill Oil.
Ø Average adults (weighing +150lbs): 500mg to 600mg NAC at breakfast, 5 Kelp tablets & 5 Chlorella tablets with each meal + 1 cap Krill Oil.
Ø Young adults and larger children (weighing 100lbs - 149lbs): 300mg to 500mg NAC at breakfast, 3 tablets of Kelp & 3 Chlorella tablets with each meal + 1 cap Krill Oil.
Ø For smaller children (weighing 50lbs - 99lbs): 100mg to 250mg NAC at breakfast, 1 tablet of Kelp & 1 tablet of Chlorella with each meal crushed & sprinkled into juice + 1 cap Krill oil squeezed & blended into milk or juice.
Ø For the very young (weighing less than 50lbs): 50mg to 100mg NAC, 1 tablet Kelp & 1 tablet Chlorella daily crushed & sprinkled into juice + 1 cap Krill Oil squeezed & blended into milk or juice.
Q: If the lipid membranes are the core issue to The Petkau Effect, what are the best tools to prevent membrane damage during initial stages of contamination?
A: Many physicians would chose R-alpha lipoic acid (thioctic acid) as their first choice since it will powerfully retard lipid membrane ionization. But unfortunately, lipoic acid tends to bind metals and deposit them into the nucleus of cells (as opposed to removing them from the body).24, 26 Therefore, it is best to use Krill oil, or 'reduced' co-enzyme Q10 [CoQ10(H)], or Natural Vitamin E(D) and Melatonin to accomplish a better end result. Krill oil, CoQ10(H) and Vitamin E would neutralize the ionizing effects onsite, while Melatonin would also seek to safely remove the offending radioactive particle from the body (via the bile route of elimination provided there is adequate fiber).7, 21, 23, 25 In order of strength, Krill Oil reigns supreme, then CoQ10(H), then Melatonin, and finally Vitamin E. But for the kinds of low dose exposures North America is likely to receive, natural Vitamin E complex should provide adequate protection if taken ahead of exposures. Melatonin is a superior multitasking nutrient and so serves purposes beyond the others. Therefore, this is a prudent tool to include if budget allows. In summary, budget prudently for the suggested schedules below, and if necessary, eliminate Krill oil in favor of Vitamin E, eliminate NAC in favor of extra Chlorella, and substitute Spirulina over Chlorella to save money as necessary.
Ø Average adults (weighing +150lbs): 500mg to 600mg NAC + 800iu Natural Vit. E at breakfast + 1 cap Krill oil; 5 Kelp tablets, 5 Chlorella tablets with each meal; and 10mg Melatonin at bedtime.
Ø Young adults and larger children (weighing 100lbs - 149lbs): 300mg to 500mg NAC + 400iu Natural Vit. E at breakfast + 1 cap Krill oil; 3 tablets of Kelp & 3 Chlorella tablets with each meal, and 3mg Melatonin at bedtime.
Ø For smaller children (weighing 50lbs - 99lbs): 100mg to 250mg NAC + 200iu Natural Vit. E at breakfast + 1 cap Krill oil squeezed & mixed into milk or juice; 1 tablet of Kelp & 1 tablet of Chlorella with each meal; and 1mg Melatonin at bedtime.
Ø For the very young (weighing less than 50lbs): 50mg to 100mg NAC, 100iu Natural Vit. E, 1 cap Krill Oil squeezed & mixed into milk or juice, 1 tablet Kelp & 1 tablet Chlorella daily sprinkled into juice; and 500mcg chewable Melatonin at bedtime.
Q: In view of the long term consequences from nuclear power plant meltdown, what maintenance schedules should be incorporated to best help us all prevent cancer decades down the road?
A: Kelp, Spirulina, Natural Vitamins C & E,(D) high-quality Bone Meal, high-end probiotics (acidophilus), and Melatonin + selenium along with my Getting Started tab above for complete menu planning.
Ø Average adults (weighing +150lbs): 400iu Natural Vit. E plus 1 capsule high potency Probiotics at breakfast; 2 Kelp tablets, 3 Spirulina tablets & 2 Bone Meal tablets with each meal; and 10mg Melatonin at bedtime with 400mcg selenium from selenomethionate. Also, one effervescent Vitamin C drink is to be ingested daily.
Ø Young adults and larger children (weighing 100lbs - 149lbs): 400iu Natural Vit. E plus 1 capsule high potency Probiotics at breakfast; 2 tablets of Kelp, 2 Spirulina tablets & 2 Bone meal tablets with each meal, and 3mg Melatonin at bedtime with 400mcg selenium from selenomethionate. Also, one effervescent Vitamin C drink is to be ingested daily.
Ø For smaller children (weighing 50lbs - 99lbs): 200iu Natural Vit. E plus 1 capsule high potency Probiotics at breakfast; 1 tablet of Kelp, 1 tablet of Chlorella and one Bone Meal with each meal (all sprinkled into juice as appropriate); and 1mg chewable Melatonin at bedtime with 100mcg - 200mcg selenium from selenomethionate. Also, one effervescent Vitamin C drink is to be consumed daily. Chewable Vitamin C tablets may be substituted IF the brand is LOW in sugar.
Ø For the very young (weighing less than 50lbs): 100iu Natural Vit. E, 1 tablet Kelp & 1 tablet Chlorella plus 1 capsule high potency Probiotics plus 2 Bone Meal capsules opened & sprinkled into juice daily; and 500mcg chewable Melatonin at bedtime with 50mcg selenium from selenomethionate. Lastly, one effervescent Vitamin C drink is attempted to be given daily. Chewable Vitamin C tablets may be substituted IF the brand is LOW in sugar.
Best Long Term Protocol: I (Dr. Apsley) have an extended family, with children ranging in ages from 34 down to 11, and three grandkids ages 4 & 2 years of age. My recommended maintenance schedules to my family are provided below:
Ø Average adults (weighing +150lbs): 250mg to 300mg NAC + 400iu Natural Vitamin E plus 1 capsule high potency Probiotics & 3 capsules Krill Oil at breakfast; 2 Kelp tablets, 3 Chlorella tablets & 2 Bone Meal tablets with each meal; and 10mg Melatonin at bedtime with 400mcg selenium from selenomethionate. Also, one to three effervescent Vitamin C drinks are to be ingested daily.
Ø Young adults and larger children (weighing 100lbs - 149lbs): 250mg to 300mg NAC + 400iu Natural Vit. E plus 1 capsule high potency Probiotics & 2 caps Krill Oil at breakfast; 2 tablets of Kelp, 2 Chlorella tablets & 2 Bone meal tablets with each meal, and 3mg Melatonin at bedtime with 400mcg selenium from selenomethionate. Also, one effervescent Vitamin C drink is to be ingested daily.
Ø For smaller children (weighing 50lbs - 99lbs): 100mg NAC + 200iu Natural Vit. E plus 1 capsule high potency Probiotics & 1 cap Krill Oil at breakfast; 1 tablet of Kelp, 1 tablet of Chlorella and one Bone Meal with each meal (all sprinkled into juice as appropriate); and 1mg chewable Melatonin at bedtime with 100mcg - 200mcg selenium from selenomethionate. Also, one effervescent Vitamin C drink is to be consumed daily. Chewable Vitamin C tablets may be substituted IF the brand is LOW in sugar.
Ø For the very young (weighing less than 50lbs): 50mg to 100mg NAC, 100iu Natural Vit. E, 1 tablet Kelp & 1 tablet Chlorella plus 1 capsule high potency Probiotics plus 2 Bone Meal capsules opened & sprinkled into juice daily; and 500mcg chewable Melatonin at bedtime with 50mcg selenium from selenomethionate. Lastly, one effervescent Vitamin C drink is attempted to be given daily. Chewable Vitamin C tablets may be substituted IF the brand is LOW in sugar.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: twighead]
#14279822 - 04/12/11 07:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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cdnshroom said: but it did reach the states....lol do your research, recalled milk because of nuclulear particles landing on the grazing fields of cows. true story
Is it? I know there was a big hype story about it but I don't remember any recalls or levels anywhere above the acceptable.
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just getting back to this now, sorry for being rude, i was liq'd but yeah, i heard it on the news here in canada that a bunch of milk was recalled somewheres in the states do to that reason, but now i am too high and lazy to look it up. but you can trust me
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: imachavel]
#14279988 - 04/12/11 07:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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reeferaddict69 said: Cause uranium spreads easily and has a half life of 4.47 billion years.
you obviously dont know mush about nuclear energy..
cesium 137 is what there is to worry about..
i think he was being sarcastic, most atoms that have extremely long half life periods don't last 4.47 billion years . obviously an atom that is radioactive is deteriorating before your eyes, and probably doesn't have a half life of 4.47 billion years
also, what does potassium whatever it is help you with? does it absorb the radiation or something? how would that help anyway? considering that it's in your body?
it floods the iodine receptors in your thyroid so that the radioactive iodine has no place to hold and is passed out of the body. you can get good a source of iodine from seaweed and unrefined sea salt like www.realsalt.com and other natural sources too. various other natural products remove other radioactive particles from the body, i think blue green algae is one. natural iodine from food does the same thing as potassium iodide but without the side effects.
i wouldn't be too worried but i've been eating seaweed just in case.
btw, i was 17 weeks old (unborn) when chernobyl happened, and i'm a pretty sick kid. i can't gain weight and i frequent drug forums... now i don't know if this has to do with the fact that i was in germany during the chernobyl accident, but i'd take the simple steps of researching a correct diet and keep to it especially if you are having kids. and don't tell them they were an accident like my mom did. chernobyl was an accident, not me...
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: twighead]
#14353641 - 04/26/11 05:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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cdnshroom said: but it did reach the states....lol do your research, recalled milk because of nuclulear particles landing on the grazing fields of cows. true story
Is it? I know there was a big hype story about it but I don't remember any recalls or levels anywhere above the acceptable.
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The EPA has said for weeks that the levels in milk are above their previously acceptable limits, but that it was okay anyway.
The issue with the EPA and the media is that they completely disregarded, from day one, the possibility that this would be an ongoing buildup of radiation. And despite the fact that levels in food and water are going down, the radiation releases may become heavy again before they can cover the reactors. Had they not pulled a miracle (albeit a horribly slow moving miracle), we would still be seeing increasing amounts of radiation building up over the US. According to Berkeley and the EPA, it is no longer building up, it is receding. However, experts from around the world are saying that the releases can start to rival what they were in the beginning of this crisis, and ebb and flow, so that means more contamination to come most likely, over the next year. Only iodine is going to actually go away within a reasonable time frame. Cesium will not. It will only build up in the ecosystem. This, and other particles, is where the true worry comes from. How much radiation continues to leak, and if we will see a build-up again in tap and rainwater, will be watched closely. "In the United States EPA data show rising levels of Iodine-131, Cesium-134, and Cesium-137 up to 300% of maximum limits. Hawaii milk samples showed radiation 800% above normal for Cesium-134, 633% for Cesium-137, and 600% for Iodine-131. Water contamination measured over 20 times acceptable levels. Mainland amounts are also rising, including in air, soil, grass, milk, spinach, strawberries, and other foods.
Milk is especially important as it suggests the health of the entire food supply because cows eat grass. When grass is contaminated, so is everything grown in the same soil.
At least 14 US cities reported unsafe radiation amounts in drinking water. However, EPA is only testing for Iodine-131, not Cesium, Uranium or Plutonium, all emitted from Fukushima. Several radiation monitoring stations throughout Spain have recorded increases in the concentration of iodine and cesium in the air coming from Japan. Same goes for France." As I said, though, supposely levels are falling now. More info here.
Rainwater levels were for a few weeks thousands of times over the safe EPA limits for drinking water. Again, no big news story here. No wonder you didn't know. The problem is, they didn't put any effort into telling the public this. Do you know how many people in remote locations actually use rainwater as their sources? I know quite a few people. Yes, they are hippies. But even hippies should be informed. As well as the fact that this is undoubtedly being drank by livestock which are not factory farmed, pets...the public should have been alerted, but weren't until a week later after the EPA found the levels were that high in many places across t he US. EPA: Radioactive Iodine-131 levels in PA & MA rainwater “exceed maximum contaminant level permitted in drinking water” If you want links to a round up of contaminant levels in the rainwater and a page with links to the EPA testing, go here: Rainwater levels
Tap water all over the US, especially Boise, also we said to be thousands of levels below acceptable limits, but radiation was still detected. Then, they changed the story to hundreds. And closer, and closer. Again, they say don't worry. Gee, where does our water supply come from, people!? Rain. Rain fills our reservoirs. Rain goes into the water table. Hmmm. Duh! Yes, since they have a handle on the reactors now, it is not going to build up and the levels are receding. Berkeley was the first to find this in the tap water: "We instead should be discussing tap water, in which we detected a small amount of I-131 (0.024 Bq/L). This is a factor of almost 1,000 below the rainwater measurement and a factor of 4.6 below the EPA limit.
It should also be noted that the EPA limit assumes the water is ingested over the course of an entire year. That is, someone drinking 3 pCi/L water for an entire year would reach the EPA dose limit of 4 millirem, which is a very small dose. The tap water measurement of 0.024 Bq/L on 3/29 is our only detection of I-131; on subsequent days it could not be detected, probably due to the radioactive decay of I-131. So this tap water could have been ingested for at most 1 day, giving the public a dose 365 times smaller than if one assumes an entire year of ingestion. That means the tap water is effectively a factor of 1,700 below the EPA limit.
Finally, we believe that the clear decay in all isotopes shown in our air filtration measurements is an indication that water activity levels are declining at least for now."
Berkeley Testing
Milk was also 800 times the normal levels in Hawaii. This was still considered safe by the government, though, so there was no recall in the US of any milk. At least, I did not hear about that. It was also said that you would have to consume a quart a day of milk in some areas to worry about the risk. Okay, when you put together tap water, milk, and produce (if you eat fresh produce) that is all contaminated, then you *do* have a right to worry and wonder what the levels are. The public deserves to be informed in a timely fashion, and they were not.
Berkeley discovered radiation in produce as well as other products like topsoil.
Remember, first the EPA and government told us that no fallout would reach us. Then, they changed their story after a while, and said, okay, it might reach us. Then, once it did reach us and got in the water, milk, grass, rain, everywhere...and it only builds up more and more....they say don't worry, it's not dangerous.
For me, it's not really freaking about radiation. It's being upset with the inability or unwillingness of the media and EPA to actually report things as they are happening, without huge delays, without playing it down. The media did not know if Japan would be able to get this controlled. Thus, telling people to not buy iodide tablets, while the reactors were still spewing out large amounts radiation, is infuriating. Let people decide for themselves if they want to avoid products that have radiation in them, in any amount.
They kept comparing it to background radiation and cross-country flights until experts lambasted them by reminding the public that this is fallout, not background radiation, and fallout is getting into your food, particles you eat are far more dangerous than any background radiation. That is why this is such a crappy situation. Even Berkeley keeps making this comparison. Believe what you want; I have heard experts say that an x-ray is not the same as eating radiation. Who knows. I am not an expert. But I appreciate media that doesn't downplay the risks. The fact that the EPA did not have public data ready for weeks after the crisis also was frustrating and did little to help ease people's fears. Now, they have a realtime monitoring net. Before, they had a page that said they had realtime data available to people who were experts, and there was a login page with a warning not to try to login, or face jail time. That was helpful...
Disclaimer: I'm human. I make mistakes. If I have, then sorry ahead of time...
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: sandi]
#14355000 - 04/26/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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For me, it's not really freaking about radiation. It's being upset with the inability or unwillingness of the media and EPA to actually report things as they are happening, without huge delays, without playing it down. The media did not know if Japan would be able to get this controlled. Thus, telling people to not buy iodide tablets, while the reactors were still spewing out large amounts radiation, is infuriating. Let people decide for themselves if they want to avoid products that have radiation in them, in any amount.
QFT!!!!!!!!
also even if we are in 0 danger, then why isn't the EPA more public about how "safe" they think our food supply/precipitation still is???
it seems like all they've tried to do through this whole situation is release only just enough information to keep the population satisfied that takes situations like these lightly and have full faith in the government. but for those of us who like to obsess over every little detail, especially in situations like this, they have hard time releasing all the little facts. even though they have more than enough technology to maintain a day to day reading of the levels of every radioactive compound in our skies, foods, milk, and oxygen.
all i know is that the fact that there MIGHT be radioactive compounds in our water, milk, and pretty much everything else, is more than enough reason for all of us to take precautions now. kelp powder is probly the best bet, because even if we aren't being exposed to nuclear fallout kelp powder is stll a very healthy mineral to use daily. helps maintain a healthy thyroid which regulates body temperature among other things, kelp powder also helps to keep a healthier blood stream and even strengthens your immune system. i can't remember all the benefits off the top of my head but it's worth looking into and i'm already getting my supply. i highly reccomend everyone else does to.
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