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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: DeadHearts]
#14134285 - 03/16/11 11:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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uh people do read still
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: caphillkid]
#14134290 - 03/16/11 11:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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caphillkid said: uh people do read still
They do?
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: DeadHearts]
#14134297 - 03/16/11 11:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shit, if someone posts one to many paragraphs around hereyou can count on many whining about it lol.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: DeadHearts]
#14134306 - 03/16/11 11:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said: Shit, if someone posts one to many paragraphs around hereyou can count on many whining about it lol.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: DeadHearts]
#14134312 - 03/16/11 11:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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People freak out for little to no reason. Johnny Carson once announced on the Tonight Show a massive shortage of toilet paper during one of his bits... People actually rushed out to stores across America and hoarded toilet paper.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: gzuf]
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: twighead]
#14134367 - 03/16/11 11:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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twighead said: Why didn't they have nice weather reports warning folks when the fallout clouds would be overhead when the US tested shit loads of atomic weapons on our own soil? 
Maybe because this one is deadly enough to warrant a warning
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: gzuf]
#14134374 - 03/16/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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gzuf said: People freak out for little to no reason. Johnny Carson once announced on the Tonight Show a massive shortage of toilet paper during one of his bits... People actually rushed out to stores across America and hoarded toilet paper.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: eloC]
#14134809 - 03/17/11 01:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Its sad really how people are so scared of nuclear power, modern reactor designs are, as far as science can tell us foolproof. The problem with the reactors in question is that they were designed in the 60's, and built in the 70's, and thus they use only active safety systems instead of active and passive ones, which means that the systems in the plant must have power to keep the reaction absolutely 10,000% safe, and that was the biggest issue really, the plant had multiple levels of redundant backup diesel generators, and all of them were taken out, they also had a absolute last resort battery bank that kept the emergency coolant systems running for the 8h that they were designed for. Generators were then airlifted into the plant and hooked up, unfortunately they only had power to keep 2 of the 3 previously operational reactors cooled, the number 3 reactor was still under control though. Keep this in mind, even if the core went absolutely critical it would still be contained, theres 3 levels of containment, the fuel rods count as one (melting point 3000C) theres a second layer which is what they are venting the gas from and theres the third layer which is called the 'Core Catcher', 7 inches of solid steel and 7M of concrete, yea thats right bitches, whats happing now is just little chicken shit problems.
So soon as the quake hit the graphite control rods inserted into the core and did what they were supposed to, slow down the neutrons bouncing around inside to the point where they no longer created a fission reaction, the thing about a nuclear reaction is that you have to have the neutrons moving at a certain speed to make anything happen, to fast or to slow and it dies out and kills itself. Which is what they base a lot of the passive safety systems on now, for example some reactors are surrounded by heavy water which slows down neutrons, and if the core heats up to out of control temperatures the heavy water will evaporate and the neutrons will be moving too fast, thus the ability to create nuclear fission evaporates like the water, core settles down and then they pour some water over it for 36h until it reaches a cold shutdown temp, which is 100c or lower, which 2 if not 3 of the reactors at Fukushima have done now.
Another thing is that what they are dealing with right now is a shut down reactor that has some trace elements that are still reacting, they burn off slowly, the same kind of thing is actually what caused Chernobyl, except they did the opposite, bogged down the reactor, they wondered why nothing was happening so they pulled all the safety's off and put the thing to absolute max power, then the elements that were bogging down the reaction burned off and the motherfucker went critical like nobody's business. Didn't help that the guy running the plant at the time was only certified on a coal plant... freakin ruskies. Anyways what I was getting at is that they are dealing with a heat load that is 3% of what a reactor running under normal operations is so again this is nothing that exciting.
Edit: for those of you who still like to read and learn instead of having some bigoted asshole on your tv tell you what to believe check out this site, seems to be a nice source of un biased NEWS
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/default.aspx
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Spiralout112]
#14134864 - 03/17/11 01:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm gonna kick Japan's ass if a radiation cloud from their reactor reaches the West Coast.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Poid]
#14134918 - 03/17/11 01:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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OK heres the bottom line
According to this site http://www.radiologyinfo.org/en/safety/index.cfm?pg=sfty_xray
The average dose with a x-ray is about 10mSv
The peak level recorded at the plant was 400mSv
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readings have dropped from 3.780 millisieverts to 3.752 millisieverts, so the effect at present seems marginal at best.
So all this hype has been about a radiation dose equivelant to at the absolute worst 40 x-rays...
So do you now see why this is all just a steaming pile of media bullshit?
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Spiralout112]
#14134928 - 03/17/11 01:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Spiralout112 said: OK heres the bottom line
According to this site http://www.radiologyinfo.org/en/safety/index.cfm?pg=sfty_xray
The average dose with a x-ray is about 10mSv
The peak level recorded at the plant was 400mSv
Currently the levels are " readings have dropped from 3.780 millisieverts to 3.752 millisieverts, so the effect at present seems marginal at best."
So all this hype has been about a radiation dose equivelant to at the absolute worst 40 x-rays...
So do you now see why this is all just a steaming pile of media bullshit?
27 Signs That The Nuclear Crisis In Japan Is Much Worse Than Either The Mainstream Media Or The Japanese Government Have Been Telling Us
All 27 signs have links to their sources. I don't know what I believe, judge for yourself.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Spiralout112]
#14134956 - 03/17/11 01:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Spiralout112 said: So do you now see why this is all just a steaming pile of media bullshit?
The entire reactor can meltdown; if that happens, we're fucked. Well, at least I'm fucked because I live really close to the coast.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Poid]
#14134960 - 03/17/11 01:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Close to the coast.... 5,000 miles away.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: amilibertine]
#14134965 - 03/17/11 02:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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K well lets have a look
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#1 Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan is urging all people living within 30 kilometers of the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear facility to stay indoors.
#2 Andre-Claude Lacoste, the head of France's Nuclear Safety Authority, says that the containment vessel surrounding the No. 2 reactor at Japan's Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear complex is "no longer sealed".
#3 Radiation levels in Tokyo are already 10 times above normal levels.
#4 Reuters is reporting that some residents of Tokyo are already starting to flee the city.
#5 Radiation levels in one city north of Tokyo, Utsunomiya, were recently reported to be 33 times above normal levels.
#6 Radiation levels in the city of Saitama have been reported to be 40 times above normal levels.
#7 According to Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan, the "possibility of further radioactive leakage is heightening."
#8 The Japanese government is admitting that radiation levels near the Fukushima Dai-ichi complex are very harmful to human health.
#9 According to the World Nuclear Association, exposure to over 100 millisieverts of radiation a year can lead to cancer. At this point the level of radiation being measured right outside the number 4 reactor at the Fukushima Dai-ichi complex is 400 millisieverts per hour.
#10 A U.S. Navy crew that was assisting in relief efforts was exposed to a month’s worth of nuclear radiation in just a single hour.
#11 According to the U.S. Navy, low levels of radiation have been detected at their bases in Yokosuka and Atsugi.
#12 The USS Ronald Reagan recently detected significant levels of radiation 100 miles off the Japanese coast.
#13 The operator of the Fukushima Dai-ichi complex has pulled out 750 of the 800 workers that were working at the facility.
#14 The French embassy in Tokyo is advising French citizens to leave the city.
#15 The German embassy in Tokyo is advising all German citizens to leave the country entirely.
#16 German technology company SAP is evacuating their offices in Tokyo.
#17 Austria has announced that it is moving its embassy from Tokyo to Osaka due to fears about the radiation.
#18 Finland is urging all of their citizens to leave Tokyo.
#19 The Czech military is sending planes to Japan specifically to evacuate the Czech Philharmonic Orchestra.
#20 Air China is canceling many flights to Tokyo.
#21 The Chinese Embassy has announced that it will be evacuating all Chinese citizens from the Miyagi, Fukushima, Ibaraki and Iwate prefectures.
#22 Russia is making preparations to evacuate civilians and military units from the Kuril Islands.
#23 Physicist Frank von Hippel recently told the New York Times the following about this disaster: "It’s way past Three Mile Island already".
#24 The president of France's nuclear safety authority says that this crisis is now almost as bad as Chernobyl was....
"It's clear we are at Level 6, that's to say we're at a level in between what happened at Three Mile Island and Chernobyl."
#25 There have been reports of extremely high radiation at another nuclear facility in Japan. It has been reported that at the Onagawa nuclear plant radiation that is 700 times the normal level was detected at one point.
#26 One anonymous senior nuclear industry executive told The Times Of India that Japanese power industry managers are "basically in a full-scale panic" and that "they don't know what to do".
#27 It is also being reported that there were over 600,000 spent fuel rods stored at the Fukushima Dai-ichi complex. Most of these rods were apparently stored near the top of the 6 reactor buildings. There have already been major explosions at three of those buildings. It is now feared that there is now nothing to prevent many of these spent fuel rods from releasing radiation into the atmosphere. That is really, really bad news.
So is there a threat that nuclear radiation from Japan could reach the United States?
Well, actually everyone agrees that radiation could reach the United States. The controversy is whether or not it will be enough to be harmful to human health.
at least half of that list is more likely a result of the whole mess that the country is in rather than the 'nuclear issue' or at least been slandered to seem more along those lines
and the other main points are that the levels are, for example '10x above normal', but they don't tell you what normal is, if it was anything noteworthy im sure they would have thrown some numbers in, but there isn't anything there so they just write a sentence that sounds scary but really doesn't mean anything.
I will admit that the fires in the buildings where the spent fuel is stored is a little worrysome but still the casings on the fuel rods are able to handle 3000 degrees C before they fail, i dont think many fires burn quite that hot, and the hydrogen explosions that were causing havoc before wont be happening anymore since there is no more reason to vent the now cooled reactors.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: twighead]
#14134969 - 03/17/11 02:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm more worried about a Nuclear power plant being so close to the ocean here in California.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Onofre_Nuclear_Generating_Station
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Fernis]
#14134974 - 03/17/11 02:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well it hasn't blown up or fucked up yet in 30 years so no need to start worrying extra now.
That plant has far more secure construction than the Japanese plant as well.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Poid]
#14134975 - 03/17/11 02:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Spiralout112 said: So do you now see why this is all just a steaming pile of media bullshit?
The entire reactor can meltdown; if that happens, we're fucked. Well, at least I'm fucked because I live really close to the coast. 
DUDE THE REACTOR CAN MELT DOWN AND STILL BE CONTAINED, thats why they call it a containment vessel.
AND if you knew anything about nuclear power you would realize that theres no fucking possible way that a reactor thats been shut down can just go and fire back up and blow itself to shit NOT POSSIBLE!!!!!!!
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: twighead]
#14134988 - 03/17/11 02:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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always, always take what the media says with a grain of salt, especially if it comes from fox, CNN, and bbc. more big earthquakes seem like a bigger threat.
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Re: Why is America freaking out over the nuclear fall out from Japan? [Re: Spiralout112]
#14134990 - 03/17/11 02:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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twighead said: Close to the coast.... 5,000 miles away. 
I meant the West Coast of the US.
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Spiralout112 said: So do you now see why this is all just a steaming pile of media bullshit?
The entire reactor can meltdown; if that happens, we're fucked. Well, at least I'm fucked because I live really close to the coast. 
DUDE THE REACTOR CAN MELT DOWN AND STILL BE CONTAINED, thats why they call it a containment vessel.
Sure, it can be contained, but seeing as some radiation has already leaked, I don't think it's too far-fetched to assume that a major leak can occur.
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Spiralout112 said: AND if you knew anything about nuclear power you would realize that theres no fucking possible way that a reactor thats been shut down can just go and fire back up and blow itself to shit NOT POSSIBLE!!!!!!!
I don't know much about nuclear reactors honestly, I'm just going by what I've heard; I heard that there are fears that the entire reactor might melt down.
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