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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #14122037 - 03/14/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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because if you make it illegal its on the same level as ganja so teenagers wouldn't do it. The main reason and share of market its gaining is from kids that don't want to get arrested smoking pot / fail a drug test. If you make it illegal no dealer is going to sell spice and kids just revert to pot.




Really? How so? I'm sorry if my stance isn't pro spice and thats too much for you to handle. I just endorse the real product and not it's imitation so stop asserting stupid shit over the internet and get a life.:shocked:




 

Good idea,  lets make it illegal before there is any definitive argument for it.




1- I never said I would want it made illegal, rather I said what would happen if it was made illegal. Learn how to read before you make ignorant assertions. Perhaps lay off the shrooms for a bit.

2- The reasons have already been provided by the constant concessions IN THIS FORUM of people ignorantly using it and as a result experiencing negative health consequences. Hey maybe this isn't a good reason, but it's a reason nonetheless.

Have a good night man and next time you choose to respond to someone's post at least do so substantively and not like a retard. You just give spice users a bad name.

Edited by alexc (03/14/11 09:34 PM)

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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: alexc]
    #14122095 - 03/14/11 09:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

you mind telling me why dealers wouldnt sell spice when its *literally* 10 times cheaper than weed? they'll just sell jwh laced herbs and say its weed once they start catching on to how profitable it can be and the kids that are stupid enough to get hospitalized from jwh won't know any better.


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It has been reported that some victims of torture, during the act, would retreat into a fantasy world from which they could not wake up. In this catatonic state, the victim lived in a world just like their normal one, except they weren’t being tortured. The only way that they realized they needed to wake up was a note they found in their fantasy world. It would tell them about their condition, and tell them to wake up. Even then, it would often take months until they were ready to discard their fantasy world and please wake up.

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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: evenbreak]
    #14122138 - 03/14/11 09:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Dude that has already happened in my town and no one has fallen for it, not to mention once both things become illegal pot will have the greater demand like it has always. The majority does not know the specifics to spice unlike users on this forum. The majority of people view it as fake weed and no true gang-banger is going to start pushing that shit. Coming from someone who has pushed and has thought of scamming people myself with that shit. It's just not going to happen. Ask any dealer if they'd ever replace their weed dealing with spice and they'd all laugh in your face. Not to mention it doesn't even remotely smell like weed, people would catch on. Moreover, the price would not be so cheap once it's illegal. Let's take some common business knowledge. Legality= more production= more readily available = price drop. Illegality reverses this entire concept.

Edited by alexc (03/14/11 09:46 PM)

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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: alexc]
    #14122151 - 03/14/11 09:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

well, i love the JWH series of chems.
sure, they dont taste as amazing as real cannabis, and dont last as long, but they strong and have an amazing high once you get used to it. its way rougher when you smoke it for the 1st few times, it really mellows out over time.
i smoke maybe .2g of 40mg/g jwh-018 blend a day, its layed onto real cannabis leaves so i still taste good. no noticable side affects that arent noticed with pot. if anything, my lungs feel a lot better smoking strong JWH blends compared to cannabis/
i also love how cheap the stuff is compared too cannabis. whenever i am not smoking my homegrown stash, between grows, i smoke JWH. i only buy pot when i have a lot of $, which isnt very offten. cannabis is waay overpriced for how little it costs to make, & i know since i;ve grown a few times. its rediculous. £10 a fucking gram from amsterdamn. same price for the street shit since they sell 1.9g '1/8ths' for £20 :facepalm:

the short duration is preferable in some circumstances as well. and eating it provides a very nice, long high.
although i did notice slight withdrawal (nothing severe, i;ve been through xanax/other benzo & poppy pod w/d's, nothing compared to those) but still, it was slightly more than regular pot. nothing that i couldnt deal with pretty easily though.
i recently ordered 3g -081, cant wait for that to arrive :grin:
i like the high better than real cannabis exept for sleep. heavy indica strains i smoke at night to helo me sleep, JWH does a weird thing to my eyes when i smoke lots over a night. like a white ring under your eyelids when you move your head. its probably dehydration since i can stop that by not drinking alcohol & drinking lots of water. eyedrops always help too.
goes wonderfully with opiates, and benzo's. morphine + jwh :laugh:rool:

smoking too much is easy for begginers, and isnt very nice, but as long as your sensible with your dosing it is great fun. 2mgs gets be vere stoned still after months of smokin' it.
sorry if im rambling, if been drinking and smoking opium & jwh :heart: all night (its 3:30am here) :smirk:


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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: Tcm19277]
    #14122209 - 03/14/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

jwh doesn't smell.. and jwh can be laced to any herb. that includes weed itself. how easy would it be to lace some shitty low quality weed with jwh and claim that its super potent and sell it for a much higher price..

anyway jwh can never be illegal. if they ban one, another 10 will take its place. which is what just happened this month


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It has been reported that some victims of torture, during the act, would retreat into a fantasy world from which they could not wake up. In this catatonic state, the victim lived in a world just like their normal one, except they weren’t being tortured. The only way that they realized they needed to wake up was a note they found in their fantasy world. It would tell them about their condition, and tell them to wake up. Even then, it would often take months until they were ready to discard their fantasy world and please wake up.

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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: evenbreak]
    #14122230 - 03/14/11 09:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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jwh doesn't smell.. and jwh can be laced to any herb. that includes weed itself. how easy would it be to lace some shitty low quality weed with jwh and claim that its super potent and sell it for a much higher price..




You're just making a giant slippery slope argument now. Aside from the fact that you've ignored half the points I bring up as to why your initial claim is nonsensical in my previous post.

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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: alexc]
    #14122482 - 03/14/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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jwh doesn't smell.. and jwh can be laced to any herb. that includes weed itself. how easy would it be to lace some shitty low quality weed with jwh and claim that its super potent and sell it for a much higher price..




You're just making a giant slippery slope argument now. Aside from the fact that you've ignored half the points I bring up as to why your initial claim is nonsensical in my previous post.




whatever this is pretty pointless to argue about anyway since jwh can never be made illegal. it's a designer drug, if you take down one then another ten will take its place. that's what happened just this month.

all i wanted to say initially is all this hate for jwh on this forum is really silly. take it correctly at the proper dosage with the proper mindset and you might like just as much as pot if not more


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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: evenbreak]
    #14122494 - 03/14/11 10:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: alexc]
    #14122560 - 03/14/11 10:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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because if you make it illegal its on the same level as ganja so teenagers wouldn't do it. The main reason and share of market its gaining is from kids that don't want to get arrested smoking pot / fail a drug test. If you make it illegal no dealer is going to sell spice and kids just revert to pot.




Really? How so? I'm sorry if my stance isn't pro spice and thats too much for you to handle. I just endorse the real product and not it's imitation so stop asserting stupid shit over the internet and get a life.:shocked:




 

Good idea,  lets make it illegal before there is any definitive argument for it.




1- I never said I would want it made illegal, rather I said what would happen if it was made illegal. Learn how to read before you make ignorant assertions. Perhaps lay off the shrooms for a bit.

2- The reasons have already been provided by the constant concessions IN THIS FORUM of people ignorantly using it and as a result experiencing negative health consequences. Hey maybe this isn't a good reason, but it's a reason nonetheless.

Have a good night man and next time you choose to respond to someone's post at least do so substantively and not like a retard. You just give spice users a bad name.




Hey fuckface,

THC is a chemical, JWH-xx are chemicals.  You know what else, arsenic, and Uranium-238 are also naturally occurring chemicals. If you eat any food, which I suspect you do, then you are likely consuming FDA approved chemicals that really have unknown consequences. Because we all like our food to have a long shelf life.  Anyway, you, nor I know shit about the effects of JWH so get off you goddamn high horse and quit talking shit about what you don't know.

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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #14122655 - 03/14/11 10:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

How about you get off your damn high horse you stupid asshole and realize the thread question, if you don't like my response or my views on the subject ignore. Otherwise, you can go fuck yourself. I never claimed I knew shit, you made a dumb response and got bitched out and now you can't handle it. Get a fucking life you meaningless turd. I was posting my views on a subject, you are entitled to yours. I don't go around calling you out and I expect the same respect in return. So fuck off especially when I'm responding to the thread question. Learn how to take on a substantive debate about the issues at hand without bashing on others to get over your own insecurities on the internet. Fucking idiot lashing out at someone for responding to a thread and then claiming I restrict freedom... ahah stupid hypocrite limiting discourse by putting others down with meaningless posts. fucking tool.

as for evenbreak, perhaps I'd have a different opinion, I don't really care enough to try it again, but if it works for you thats all that should matter. To each his own, at least you aren't being a dick with your answers.

Edited by alexc (03/14/11 11:04 PM)

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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: eloC]
    #14122745 - 03/14/11 11:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Personally, I just don't see its real essence.  The price of a gram of spice, or whatever trademark name it has nowadays, is near the price of a gram of genuine cannabis around here.  You might as well get the real deal.  Only in desperate situations I could understand someone purchasing that stuff, but then again there's a myriad of other substances out there which one could consume as an alternative to synthetic marijuana.  I'd give the analogy of buying bootleg DVD's imported from the Far East, except you're getting gypped because the price of the bootleg is the same as the authentic DVD.  It's whatever to me; I feel indifferent towards the widespread usage of the synthetic marijuana.  Just be aware of all the possible side effects and smoke all the potpourri sprayed w/ synthetic cannabinoids you want.

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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: easyrider]
    #14123056 - 03/15/11 12:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Personally, I just don't see its real essence.  The price of a gram of spice, or whatever trademark name it has nowadays, is near the price of a gram of genuine cannabis around here.  You might as well get the real deal.  Only in desperate situations I could understand someone purchasing that stuff, but then again there's a myriad of other substances out there which one could consume as an alternative to synthetic marijuana.  I'd give the analogy of buying bootleg DVD's imported from the Far East, except you're getting gypped because the price of the bootleg is the same as the authentic DVD.  It's whatever to me; I feel indifferent towards the widespread usage of the synthetic marijuana.  Just be aware of all the possible side effects and smoke all the potpourri sprayed w/ synthetic cannabinoids you want.




powdered jwh is 15-20 usd a gram. it's active at 2mg-10mg depending on tolerance so yea, definitely way cheaper than weed.

i think it's best to look at jwh as another type of drug rather than just a marijuana replacement.


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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: evenbreak]
    #14123315 - 03/15/11 01:18 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I wanna see you try and grow your own jwh whatthefuck ever its suppose to be..


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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: evenbreak]
    #14123389 - 03/15/11 01:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Where do you find isolated jwh powder? Most gas stations and smoke shops just sell incense with the jwh sprayed onto it.

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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never he [Re: easyrider]
    #14123398 - 03/15/11 01:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

an hour on google at most


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This is my knowledge, experience, and opinion [Re: evenbreak]
    #14123572 - 03/15/11 02:46 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I first found out about actual spice from a headshop that just opened up in my town.  I was in there browsing around and asked the clerks about it.  In my own personal experience, i've tried Spice Diamond(1st choice), Blaze(looked like hay haha :goat:), something along the lines called NOLA Gold, Serenity Now.. that had a shakespeare quote on the back and some "marshmallow fluff" which by far was the cheapest for .25@35$(2nd best). 

I researched what I could but couldn't find out exactly what JWH was in each individual one.  I just knew that it was a sythn cannabinoid.  I never tried to go overboard with it as I've always been a moderate user of real mj.  I did, however, get very sick one time but I'm not sure if it was the herbal or just bad food(for reference we smoked out of a :bong:).  I've gotten sick to my stomach once before on mj so I'm not 100% sure.  Granted the other guys got sick too but was the only time.  We smoked the same batch again and no problems.

I personally get the same feeling from mj as I do smoking herbal.  Its been a very long time but as far as the side affects I do notice an increase in heart rate and I get warmer like I've been at a rave(but just to be clear: its not like sweating balls haha).  I get happy and talk more about random shit like any time i'm inebriated regardless of the substance.  It also gives a bit of that familiar dry mouth( funny story about a guy who tried this for first time any cannabinoid was the quote "I'm thirsy." after smoking it.)  It doesn't last very long for the brands I've had.  Usually hits around 15 mins, lasts good for the next 45-1 hour.  Effects completely fade away after 2ish hrs. 

So basically it makes me warmer, slight heart rate increase, increased mood, and talkative.  I smoke this randomly from time to time.  Could be a week or two inbetween, a few days or few times in a night.  I use it as a mood enhancer.  I would smoke the real but honestly its mostly trying to stay clean because I more than a 95% chance i'm going to take a hair test.  Granted who knows if they'll test for the JWH compounds now.  Once I don't have to worry, back to the real. 

So basically tell your mom she isn't missing out on anything if she doesn't smoke it.  If she wants to give it a try, its not going to harm her as long as she keeps it in moderation and doesn't try to smoke a whole gram in one hit haha.  Mj > herbal any day unless for whatever reason...etc.  The only blend that wasn't nice was Blaze.  The Marshmallow fluff, however, doesn't have a taste.


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Re: This is my knowledge, experience, and opinion [Re: runningfox2002]
    #14125715 - 03/15/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I first found out about actual spice from a headshop that just opened up in my town.  I was in there browsing around and asked the clerks about it.  In my own personal experience, i've tried Spice Diamond(1st choice), Blaze(looked like hay haha :goat:), something along the lines called NOLA Gold, Serenity Now.. that had a shakespeare quote on the back and some "marshmallow fluff" which by far was the cheapest for .25@35$(2nd best). 

I researched what I could but couldn't find out exactly what JWH was in each individual one.  I just knew that it was a sythn cannabinoid.  I never tried to go overboard with it as I've always been a moderate user of real mj.  I did, however, get very sick one time but I'm not sure if it was the herbal or just bad food(for reference we smoked out of a :bong:).  I've gotten sick to my stomach once before on mj so I'm not 100% sure.  Granted the other guys got sick too but was the only time.  We smoked the same batch again and no problems.

I personally get the same feeling from mj as I do smoking herbal.  Its been a very long time but as far as the side affects I do notice an increase in heart rate and I get warmer like I've been at a rave(but just to be clear: its not like sweating balls haha).  I get happy and talk more about random shit like any time i'm inebriated regardless of the substance.  It also gives a bit of that familiar dry mouth( funny story about a guy who tried this for first time any cannabinoid was the quote "I'm thirsy." after smoking it.)  It doesn't last very long for the brands I've had.  Usually hits around 15 mins, lasts good for the next 45-1 hour.  Effects completely fade away after 2ish hrs. 

So basically it makes me warmer, slight heart rate increase, increased mood, and talkative.  I smoke this randomly from time to time.  Could be a week or two inbetween, a few days or few times in a night.  I use it as a mood enhancer.  I would smoke the real but honestly its mostly trying to stay clean because I more than a 95% chance i'm going to take a hair test.  Granted who knows if they'll test for the JWH compounds now.  Once I don't have to worry, back to the real. 

So basically tell your mom she isn't missing out on anything if she doesn't smoke it.  If she wants to give it a try, its not going to harm her as long as she keeps it in moderation and doesn't try to smoke a whole gram in one hit haha.  Mj > herbal any day unless for whatever reason...etc.  The only blend that wasn't nice was Blaze.  The Marshmallow fluff, however, doesn't have a taste.




The old spice gold had cannabicyclohexanol, in addition to the jwh compounds.  I postulate that said chemical is what made the old spice blends last longer than the more recent blends, as it was the only chemical with an effective analog ban, and after the first bans, the length of highs from the blends dropped dramatically.  I remember being fucked up for 7 hours the first time I tried spice gold.

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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: demon6fire]
    #14130632 - 03/16/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

My bonfire turned into the devils fire and I almost puked.

No thank you, I'll stick to pot. And when I can't smoke it anymore imma quit.

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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: SheTripper]
    #14260535 - 04/08/11 08:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ive been smoking spice about 6-8 times a day nonstop for the past year. I replaced weed with it and do not regret it at all. As long as you dont overdose it is very similar to weed.


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Re: What are your guys' views on the synthetic marijuana, they call spice or have you never heard of it? [Re: ThePheonix]
    #14295788 - 04/15/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Ive been smoking spice about 6-8 times a day nonstop for the past year. I replaced weed with it and do not regret it at all. As long as you dont overdose it is very similar to weed.



Hey I have a question about your signature, is that your Pit-Bull in the far right picture?
If so How big has he/she gotten?
I've had mine for about 5 months. I got her when she was 3. So she's 8 months now.
I was wondering, has it gotten any bigger?
Because it seems my pit seems like she isn't getting any bigger. Or it could be that she's with me all the time. She really is a great loyal dog! And I hope she might get a little bit bigger. She looks exactly like the one in your picture. Stripes, same face, same color.
Any replies would be great!
They really are great dogs, only if you treat them correctly, and show them love, just like any other dog breed.


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