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Offline245willow19

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Re: Opium + Hash Experience [Re: egodeathflux]
    #14124932 - 03/15/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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egodeathflux said:
Esekon, in your tutorial you state that uncooked opium can be lethal.

**(obviously enough of any opiate is lethal...)

I have never heard this before, in fact I heard that certain Thai famers prefer the raw uncooked product for personal use. (all applications, recreational to medicinal, they have very few modern meds/doctors.)

I have eaten raw latex hundreds of times, I love the tang and it always get on your fingers during harvest.

Also your tutorial makes it seem as if growing and transplanting poppies is the best way to go about it. I have always had far healthier plants when I just clear a border and sow them in Spring time. Also they are far happier in the ground than in pots due to their huge taproot. Just making things clear for people.

Don't mean to criticise, but sometimes simplicity is the key. Other than my bitching and whining, great posts and tutorial. :thumbup: :peace:



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egodeathflux said:
Esekon, in your tutorial you state that uncooked opium can be lethal.

**(obviously enough of any opiate is lethal...)

I have never heard this before, in fact I heard that certain Thai famers prefer the raw uncooked product for personal use. (all applications, recreational to medicinal, they have very few modern meds/doctors.)

I have eaten raw latex hundreds of times, I love the tang and it always get on your fingers during harvest.

Also your tutorial makes it seem as if growing and transplanting poppies is the best way to go about it. I have always had far healthier plants when I just clear a border and sow them in Spring time. Also they are far happier in the ground than in pots due to their huge taproot. Just making things clear for people.

Don't mean to criticise, but sometimes simplicity is the key. Other than my bitching and whining, great posts and tutorial. :thumbup: :peace:




thank you bro and yes Raw Opium is lethal if you have a allergic reaction to it which some people do like my Friend K' who was sick for almost a month because he ingest Raw opium. i just concerned about people's health incase somebody dies or gets ill.

you must be careful about Opiates like i said in my Tutorial.

Yes Papaver Somniferum would grow more happier in open ground then in pots but you see i was showing people how to grow it in their apartments since many people around the world don't have gardens.

Transplanting Poppies when their really Young is okay in some cases well in my cases i never had any problems with transplanting.

i would agree with you though transplanting poppies is very bad since Papaver Somniferum is a very very delicate plant, which must be taken with great care(Don't disturb them,leave them to grow naturally and free).

thanks again:thumbup:


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Offline245willow19

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Re: Opium + Hash Experience [Re: McTwist]
    #14125011 - 03/15/11 01:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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McTwist said:
How many poppies would I need for a decent harvest? What's the average yield of a poppy? I'm trying to get at least 5 grams but I don't want a shitload of plants. I need to make sure I have room for plants I can actually eat lol



to be honest it really depends on the harvest,strain and size of the pods.
i would suggest getting Persian Blue/White poppies or if your lucky giganteum poppies which are hard to find in local stores, so search Ebay or other Seed Sites.

I grow about 300 poppies each year since i live in the Urban Area with alot of open land and hills.
300 poppies gets me about a kilo or 2 depending on the harvest,size and the strains. it usually fills my jug up to the top!
from that Kilo i cook it which loses alot of the plant matter in the raw Opium.
i generally like Cooked opium since it doesn't stick everywhere like chewing gum. but the smell of opium and her poppy pods are indescribABLE, like heaven and earth fused together on a warm breezy day:pipesmoke:

well in your Case i would grow about 15 poppies which would give you enough opium to get pretty high( i estimate 15 poppies = almost a gram or more depending on the strain and size). its really hard to say how much opium you'll get from each plant but since every plant as an average of 5-7 pods, each pod will give you 50mg opium, and altogether in my opinion each plant would give you 300-500mg.

don't forget i grow big poppies the size of your fist so am not sure what kind of poppies you might get.

don't forget i was only guessing on the weight of opium, i did not Weight it or calculate it.


Research and come back if you like.

peace and take care


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Re: Opium + Hash Experience [Re: 245willow19]
    #14126557 - 03/15/11 06:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Anyone with a chemistry/pharmacology background care to comment on the raw vs cooked issue? I am still not convinced.

I've made cold water extractions from dried, powdered pods many times for many years, surely that is raw? If done correctly there is no need to boil. No one I know has had an adverse reaction, could you elaborate on your friends allergic reaction at all?


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Re: Opium + Hash Experience [Re: egodeathflux]
    #14130149 - 03/16/11 11:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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egodeathflux said:
Anyone with a chemistry/pharmacology background care to comment on the raw vs cooked issue? I am still not convinced.

I've made cold water extractions from dried, powdered pods many times for many years, surely that is raw? If done correctly there is no need to boil. No one I know has had an adverse reaction, could you elaborate on your friends allergic reaction at all?




his reaction to the drug was slow Breathing,Consistent Vomitting,dry mouth and diarrhea. whether these were from the drug or stomach bug am not sure however these symptoms began after he ingested the Poppy tea, slow Breathing and a dry mouth doesn't sound like a Stomach bug.

this happened a couple of hours after he ingested the poppies.
an hour after he ingested them he said to me 'he doesn't feel quite well'
he gathered up his bag and went home, the next day i called over and his mom said he had the Flu(Very strange i said to myself, he didn't seem to have the flu.)

a week pasted and i was getting worried incase i poisoned him, i went over and was let in by his brother.
when i arrived in his bedroom the whole room smelt like Vomit and piss,
he was lying in his bed(White as snow with a blue berry coloured face), i couldn't forgive myself for what i have done to him.
the doctor visited him afew times and said it was a stomach bug(the doctor was obviously guessing).

this is why i am so protective about people using opium, i do not want this to happen to anyone EVER!!

a month and a afew days past and he was back to normal, happy, healthy with the odd Minor sickening feeling. this truly put off poppy seed tea for life.

Poppy seed Tea(Depending on how you make it), Raw opium(Fresh latex from the pod) and anything that is unprocessed or cooked = Raw

Cooked Opium is completely Different = Manufactured, extracted with various Chemicals.
in rare cases Raw Opium is Boiled until most of the Plant matter is evaporated and all that is left is a Waxy Blackish-Red/brown Goo on the Pot.


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Re: Opium + Hash Experience [Re: 245willow19]
    #14130356 - 03/16/11 12:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Esekon Kelly said:

his reaction to the drug was slow Breathing,Consistent Vomitting,dry mouth and diarrhea.





Sounds like an opiate overdose to me... Or some underlying medical condition like a histamine reaction, that's a large cause of the itching feeling. An anti-histamine may well of helped him right out. Some people are naturally more sensitive, I would guess something to do with opiod receptor sites. I can't find much evidence of actual allergies to opiates, just reports of severe reactions which are different.

The glut of opiates in raw latex is enough to send most people to the stars and back. Though I highly doubt your friend would have a better time on extracted pharmaceutical codeine or morphine. Has he tried "cooked" processed products or is he just an opiate lightweight?

Some people just feel sick on opiates, good tea keeps coming on for 6-8 hours and can last well in excess of 24hours, and that is from my own experience and I have a high tolerance to these substances.


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Re: Opium + Hash Experience [Re: egodeathflux]
    #14131284 - 03/16/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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egodeathflux said:
Quote:

Esekon Kelly said:

his reaction to the drug was slow Breathing,Consistent Vomitting,dry mouth and diarrhea.





Sounds like an opiate overdose to me... Or some underlying medical condition like a histamine reaction, that's a large cause of the itching feeling. An anti-histamine may well of helped him right out. Some people are naturally more sensitive, I would guess something to do with opiod receptor sites. I can't find much evidence of actual allergies to opiates, just reports of severe reactions which are different.

The glut of opiates in raw latex is enough to send most people to the stars and back. Though I highly doubt your friend would have a better time on extracted pharmaceutical codeine or morphine. Has he tried "cooked" processed products or is he just an opiate lightweight?

Some people just feel sick on opiates, good tea keeps coming on for 6-8 hours and can last well in excess of 24hours, and that is from my own experience and I have a high tolerance to these substances.





yes me and my friend are both Lightweights, it doesn't take much to get us high. no he has never touch any opiates ever since that day, he mostly smokes cannabis now!

the only person who smokes cooked Opium is me, i grow it, and make it myself you can see the pictures on my profile.
your dead right, people do have certain reactions towards opiates its just nature.

well my Friend likes drugs that are natural, he would never take Cocaine,heroin or anyother Manufactured Drug unless its Hash,
so i doubt he try pills.

i agree with you, after smoking opium for about 3 years now! i have to say am getting this sick feeling, its like a stomach Cramp but its only minor. am gonna probably stop smoking opiates for awhile but am gonna keep growing for future use.
gonna go back to Hash and herby Cannabis cause am getting sick of all these drugs.


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