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Help with Pan Cyan BRF cakes to bulk Cow manure/verm/coir
    #14126879 - 03/15/11 07:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Hi this is Swim's first time posting on this forum, and he must say what a great source of information hes has found on this site :wink:.

Swim has managed to collect some prime blue meanies(Panaeolus Cyan)  from down his local creek and has made a spore print and inoculated 6 BRF/VERM jars.

Swim has has these jars sitting at about 28-29Celsius (bout 84F) for almost a month now. 3 of the jars have fully colonized and the others have kinda stalled out 3/4 colonized, Swim thinks might be too much moisture in those jars but going to use anyway? 

Swim is now looking to go with crumbling the cakes into a mix of:
Cow manure (sourced from local creek where Shrooms normally grow)
This brick of 'Coir-Peat' which has a little slow release fertilizer too(not sure if its coco coir or peat moss? Help on this would be awesome :smile:)
Verm and maybe a bit of perlite.

Is this a good mix for Swim to go ahead and mix up the Bulk? Does it matter if some of Swim's cakes aren't fully colonized? Swim planned to have it go 50% cow manure/25% verm/20% Coir-Peat brick/ 5% perlite.
Casing with straight verm.
Is there anything Swim should change about this mix? or add to make it better?

Swim has planned to use a big 50L plastic storage crates for fruiting chamber, lining the bottom with an inch or two of perlite and adapting a tek Swim saw from this forum where holes were only drilled close to the perlite level and a computer fan is attached high up one side to blow air in and push the C02 out the bottom where it builds up, this would be also set on a timer for 10-15 mins 3 times a day thus eliminating the need of manual airing.
Swim has already acquired almost all the necessary items for this method to go ahead, is there anything an experienced grower could suggest Swim changes or adds to make this better?

With the cow manure Swim collected only problem is its kinda fresh, was the only kind Swim could find since been lot of flooding lately and has washed most of it away. Swim wants to be able to use it as fast as he can but does not want to pasteurize it in pillow case water etc he was leaning more to an oven tek so Swim doesn't lose nutes in the water and the thought of simmering a pillow case of Cow shit doesn't exactly get swim going after gagging when was collecting some of those fresh pies haha. Are the oven teks just as reliable? Swim was planning on putting the fresh turds in a pillow case with some water in a bucket to loosen up and wash some of the piss off before swim lays the nuggets in sun to dry. Swim was hoping could get away with only leaving in sun for a week with this method? will the bacteria, ammonia etc be at right level by that time doing it this method?

Finally Swim was going to mix the manure/verm/coir perlite together and wet to field capacity put in oven bags to pasteurize in the oven, or would it be better to put the oven bags in a pot of water on stove to pasteurize? some expert help on that would be awesome :smile:

This is Swim's first ever grow attempt and is hoping it is a big success! Swim Keeeen as to go tripin ^^ haha. Any and all help/ suggestions will be greatly appreciated :smile:.

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Re: Help with Pan Cyan BRF cakes to bulk Cow manure/verm/coir [Re: Adolf]
    #14126889 - 03/15/11 07:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

swim & Adolf?

Hmmmmm.


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Re: Help with Pan Cyan BRF cakes to bulk Cow manure/verm/coir [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14126903 - 03/15/11 07:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

lol gota cover Swim's ass :wink:

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Re: Help with Pan Cyan BRF cakes to bulk Cow manure/verm/coir [Re: Adolf]
    #14126928 - 03/15/11 07:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Well swin should go here and see how the pros cover their asses, :shitstorm:

They have a special place where swim might be able to get some help. :laugh2:

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Re: Help with Pan Cyan BRF cakes to bulk Cow manure/verm/coir [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14126964 - 03/15/11 08:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Gee great thanks for wasting swim's time. look Swim's not just trying to be retarded, police traced spores Swim had in mail and if Swim's address is raided just doesn't want a great deal pointing at swim. get the idea.

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Re: Help with Pan Cyan BRF cakes to bulk Cow manure/verm/coir [Re: Adolf]
    #14126994 - 03/15/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:smoker:

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Re: Help with Pan Cyan BRF cakes to bulk Cow manure/verm/coir [Re: penhed]
    #14127077 - 03/15/11 08:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

hey PinHead you seem pretty experienced in growing mushrooms and shit. Can you please give a bit of advice on what swim posted? not really asking for much..

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Re: Help with Pan Cyan BRF cakes to bulk Cow manure/verm/coir [Re: Adolf]
    #14127555 - 03/15/11 09:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Swim has so many holes in his plan I don't know where to begin


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Re: Help with Pan Cyan BRF cakes to bulk Cow manure/verm/coir [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14127651 - 03/15/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

ok..i will lead you in general direction..IRF will teach you..search forum has all you need  84 is to hot..cow // i can say will work..but hpoo is prefered..different digestive process. coir yes...as for pasteurizeing..the poo was rained on..a little extra water does not leach out but little nutes..coir =yes...peat or per lite =not in sub....colonize 100%=yes...case verm=yes ...add gypsum...find a mono tub tek... now read up and goo luck :thumbup:

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Re: Help with Pan Cyan BRF cakes to bulk Cow manure/verm/coir [Re: Adolf]
    #14128983 - 03/16/11 03:01 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

sweet thanks for your help penhed. have decided to use a mates computer to avoid hving to use 'smim', cbf explaining it to people..
Should i just post this question on IRF page? I have searched this forum many, many times, it is how i compiled the method. Its just there is a lot of conflicting information and was wanting to know if in an experienced growers opinion is this a good method or should i change it?

84 is bout the everyday temperature where i live, with about constant 80% humidity so not too much i can really do about it except from keeping the aircon on all day. I chose cow manure over horse since when they grow in the wild a few km from my house it is always in cow manure, you'll never see one growing in horse so it just made a lot of sense to use cow, the only benifit of horse i can see is it is easier for the shrooms to colonize but adding verm/ coir etc to cow should make up for this? Will the method i described about leeching the manure for only a week work?
Was there anything else i should change or look into?   

Thanks heaps for any help and suggestions :smile:

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Re: Help with Pan Cyan BRF cakes to bulk Cow manure/verm/coir [Re: Adolf]
    #14129220 - 03/16/11 05:47 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

did you watch RR's video...i have not grown pan cyan..so i can not speak first hand..have you fruited brf cakes before??

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Re: Help with Pan Cyan BRF cakes to bulk Cow manure/verm/coir [Re: penhed]
    #14129444 - 03/16/11 07:56 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I have grown Pan Cyan's many times and it sounds like your fairly new to growing and just so you know Pan's are more sensitive to their growing conditions as to your question on will your coir/cow manure substrate work yes it will but horse manure works so much better the reason being horses don't readily digest all of their food (mainly hay and grasses}


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Re: Help with Pan Cyan BRF cakes to bulk Cow manure/verm/coir [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14129560 - 03/16/11 08:42 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I have grown Pan Cyan's many times and it sounds like your fairly new to growing and just so you know Pan's are more sensitive to their growing conditions as to your question on will your coir/cow manure substrate work yes it will but horse manure works so much better the reason being horses don't readily digest all of their food (mainly hay and grasses}



Hopefully those horses are eating wheat straw not hay, You want horses that have a good diet,. Horse shit that came from hay is not as good as shit that came from well fed horses.,

And if they are Pan's Horse shit will work,. Cow-shit is their preference,.

Cubes prefer Horse shit,. .... sorry "field aged horse manure".  :cuteshit:

I never grow my pans on cow shit though so go figure,. :shrug:

But these are the facts., :cow:

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Re: Help with Pan Cyan BRF cakes to bulk Cow manure/verm/coir [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14129645 - 03/16/11 09:05 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Oven tek for pasteurization is not recommended.

You said that your poo was fresh.  This is not good either.  Losing
some nutes is not a problem.  Let the poo sit outside and water it
a few times. 

You will want to spawn to poo+verm.

You will want to use a 50/50 casing layer, very thinly applied.

Good luck,

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Re: Help with Pan Cyan BRF cakes to bulk Cow manure/verm/coir [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14129712 - 03/16/11 09:24 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

My horse poo comes from Dressage horses 4 parts alf alfa hay,2 parts oats most well fed horses do not eat straw although some is ingested by eating their bedding straw is not very nutricious for horses although mushies do love it


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Re: Help with Pan Cyan BRF cakes to bulk Cow manure/verm/coir [Re: Javadog]
    #14129723 - 03/16/11 09:28 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Oven tek for pasteurization is not recommended.

You said that your poo was fresh.  This is not good either.  Losing
some nutes is not a problem.  Let the poo sit outside and water it
a few times. 

You will want to spawn to poo+verm.

You will want to use a 50/50 casing layer, very thinly applied.

also do not pasteurise poo and verm together or you could end up with it getting clay like


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Re: Help with Pan Cyan BRF cakes to bulk Cow manure/verm/coir [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14129836 - 03/16/11 09:58 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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also do not pasteurise poo and verm together or you could end up with it getting clay like



What are you talking about here? I don't think I understand what your saying,.

The Verm gets pasteurized with the poo the last time I checked :shrug:

In fact all the ingredients get pasteurized together,. Why would you do things separate? Then you have to mix everything later, opening a vector for contaminants.

Plus you shouldn't have so much verm in the mix that it turns to clay,.

Are you talking about gypsum? Maybe then but at the ratio that would cause a "clay" to form would be way too much gypsum as well? :confused2:

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Re: Help with Pan Cyan BRF cakes to bulk Cow manure/verm/coir [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14129870 - 03/16/11 10:08 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I do know what I'm saying...ive found the verm can break down under pastureisation and lose its bulk and you end up with little flakes mind you this is using the pillowcase tek


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Re: Help with Pan Cyan BRF cakes to bulk Cow manure/verm/coir [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14129965 - 03/16/11 10:30 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I have not seen this.  Interesting... Hmmmmmm...

Well, we'll see.

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Re: Help with Pan Cyan BRF cakes to bulk Cow manure/verm/coir [Re: Javadog]
    #14130167 - 03/16/11 11:16 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It might be the brand of verm...who knows but it just happened to me yesterday I pastuerised and did a sqeese test and it just clumped and wouldn't fluff up again and all the verm had flattened into flakes all i was suggesting is just be careful because he's new to bulk poo


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