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" Love will tear us apart "
    #14129249 - 03/16/11 06:09 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Thoughts please on the destructive power of love, and it's negative influence.


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Re: " Love will tear us apart " [Re: Brainstem]
    #14129255 - 03/16/11 06:15 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: " Love will tear us apart " [Re: Icelander]
    #14129323 - 03/16/11 06:57 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

So do you disagree with the quote ?, or would you say that any negativity associated with 'love' doesn't come from unconditional love, but a relationship built on fools gold ?  I would also add that positive and negative are subjective, but still influential.

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Re: " Love will tear us apart " [Re: Brainstem]
    #14129335 - 03/16/11 07:06 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Love is a myth, sorta like black people. :fairy::thousandisland::fairy:


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Re: " Love will tear us apart " [Re: Brainstem]
    #14129543 - 03/16/11 08:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I was once in love with this women, she was no good for me, a lot like a blues tune, ya dig?
The love itself was unconditional, deep and had positive effects, but who it made me so strongly attached to was no good for me, her horrible emotional trauma and the bizarre gauze/mask of delusion she used to hide from that trauma was draining and destructive toward us both.

It was difficult, but something deep inside said to take a break from her. Upon that break I took an entheogen to take me to the roots of what was ailing me, hurting me, holding me back. It was difficult to accept, but my love for her was hurting me, "it" (being that guiding presence) asked me to sever the heart line. I did, I was free.

I had all but gone and closed my heart off at this point.
Several months later, boom.
My current lady came into my life.
I opened my heart and took a gamble and won out big in the end.
:love:

Moral of the story is,
Love made me a fool and it allowed me to allow myself to be robbed of myself, of my own two feet and spine, to continue on with a situation that sucked me of my life force, instead of infusing me with something deeper. Why? because I loved her? In hindsight...:facepalm: She wasn't even that awesome of a chick... Makes me sound like a piece of shit, but her tits weren't even worth it... But, I indeed loved her and that is what mattered the most and kept me bound.
Lesson learned.

In my current relationship, the love is liberating, but brings me frighteningly closer and more fused with a wonderful being... Surrendering of much of ones self to enmesh deeply with someone else... Scary, but so beautiful, indeed liberating when experienced and shared with the right individual. More being added to you than lost.


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Re: " Love will tear us apart " [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #14129581 - 03/16/11 08:47 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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...her tits weren't even worth it...


Would you have preferred these?




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Re: " Love will tear us apart " [Re: Poid]
    #14129652 - 03/16/11 09:06 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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...her tits weren't even worth it...


Would you have preferred these?







Fuck... yes...  I'd suckle those portobello areolas any day :fonda:


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Re: " Love will tear us apart " [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #14129677 - 03/16/11 09:13 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The hawtest part is how she shaved her eyebrows and sharpied new ones in, like a true morbidly obese black chick. :thumbup:


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Re: " Love will tear us apart " [Re: Poid] * 2
    #14129718 - 03/16/11 09:26 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

No 'freggin doubt, my loins tremble with lust just looking at this photo.


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Re: " Love will tear us apart " [Re: Brainstem]
    #14129735 - 03/16/11 09:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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So do you disagree with the quote ?, or would you say that any negativity associated with 'love' doesn't come from unconditional love, but a relationship built on fools gold ?  I would also add that positive and negative are subjective, but still influential.




yup and I agree that unconditional love is a myth.  What most people call love is the height of selfishness imo. That includes all the stories of love posted here so far.


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Re: " Love will tear us apart " [Re: Icelander]
    #14129818 - 03/16/11 09:54 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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yup and I agree that unconditional love is a myth.  What most people call love is the height of selfishness imo. That includes all the stories of love posted here so far.




So, I, caring so deeply about someone that I allow (with much courage, and nothing to gain but what I already have) myself to be intensely vulnerable and open and empathically connected to another individual, without expectations is selfish? I'd say it has remedied much of my stronger forms of selfishness via the sacrifice required.

I'm very curious, do explain why you see it this way?


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Re: " Love will tear us apart " [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #14129844 - 03/16/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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yup and I agree that unconditional love is a myth.  What most people call love is the height of selfishness imo. That includes all the stories of love posted here so far.




So, I, caring so deeply about someone that I allow (with much courage, and nothing to gain but what I already have) myself to be intensely vulnerable and open and empathically connected to another individual, without expectations is selfish?


No shit it is, you wouldn't give a shit about her if she didn't benefit you somehow.


And you do have expectations, who are you trying to bullshit? :glittershitz:


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Re: " Love will tear us apart " [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #14129845 - 03/16/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

but my love for her was hurting me,

There is no way that unconditional love can hurt you.  That is not the nature of love imo. Instead you were addicted or attached to the relationship and what it gave you personally in likely many ways and thats the only reason you can be hurt or suffer.


I had all but gone and closed my heart off at this point

Again love, even if there is loss never closes itself to continuation of love on all levels. IMO what you were experiencing was something else.


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Re: " Love will tear us apart " [Re: Icelander]
    #14130151 - 03/16/11 11:12 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Hmm... I guess it does benefit me... Given how great it all makes me feel.
Never really looked at it from that way, it means more to me still, to be able to give myself, though. 

I think I selfishly derive pleasure from pleasuring her sometimes. :wink: but in other times it's intensely emotional, immersive, highly empathetic and tantric in it's nature, like the closest we can come to merging with one another without actually exiting our flesh, in those moments it's not about the pleasure, or even the individual, and often times does not even feel sexual in it's nature, but it's about the union of the two individuals.

Selfishness has to exist in order for myself to recognize my needs  to survive. I was thinking selfishness in a "negative" aspect like, "That bitch be 'gettin none my cheetoes, hell naw, deez mine."
Like being a low little stingy bitch.:mad2: Share those fucking cheetoes, nigga!

As far as expectations? I've taught myself to rid myself of a lot, given a lot of our pain and disappointment in life is a result of our expectations. My Dad always used to say to me as a kid with a shit eating grin "Lower your expectations and you won't be so disappointed." Can't say it don't work. :wink:
But, of course I have my general expectations, "Pay your part of the rent, treat me with respect and for Gods sake don't poop on my pillow."



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but my love for her was hurting me,

There is no way that unconditional love can hurt you.  That is not the nature of love imo. Instead you were addicted or attached to the relationship and what it gave you personally in likely many ways and thats the only reason you can be hurt or suffer.


I had all but gone and closed my heart off at this point

Again love, even if there is loss never closes itself to continuation of love on all levels. IMO what you were experiencing was something else.




I do agree with what your saying, Icelander, but, to clarify it was not my love for her that was hurting me directly, it was being so in love with someone that I would not walk away despite the malign nature of that individuals actions toward self and others. It was her behavior, not the love I felt for her that caused the pain.

And I did manage to close my heart, or deluded myself into believing so for awhile, once I did open it again,  I found my feelings remained and still do to this day. When I see her... I still get nervous and weak and feel a great deal of care for her, I don't know if that is something that can ever go away, although at times I do wish it could.:frown:


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Re: " Love will tear us apart " [Re: Raven Gnosis]
    #14130181 - 03/16/11 11:19 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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but my love for her was hurting me,

There is no way that unconditional love can hurt you.  That is not the nature of love imo. Instead you were addicted or attached to the relationship and what it gave you personally in likely many ways and thats the only reason you can be hurt or suffer.


I had all but gone and closed my heart off at this point

Again love, even if there is loss never closes itself to continuation of love on all levels. IMO what you were experiencing was something else.




I do agree with what your saying, Icelander, but, to clarify it was not my love for her that was hurting me directly, it was being so in love with someone that I would not walk away despite the malign nature of that individuals actions toward self and others. It was her behavior, not the love I felt for her that caused the pain.


You would not have given a rat's ass about her behavior if you weren't "in love" with her.


:andyistic:


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Re: " Love will tear us apart " [Re: Poid]
    #14131774 - 03/16/11 03:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I have noticed that love is really close to hate:shrug:


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Re: " Love will tear us apart " [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #14131822 - 03/16/11 03:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I've noticed that they're polar opposites. :shrug2:


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Re: " Love will tear us apart " [Re: Poid]
    #14132666 - 03/16/11 06:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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but my love for her was hurting me,

There is no way that unconditional love can hurt you.  That is not the nature of love imo. Instead you were addicted or attached to the relationship and what it gave you personally in likely many ways and thats the only reason you can be hurt or suffer.


I had all but gone and closed my heart off at this point

Again love, even if there is loss never closes itself to continuation of love on all levels. IMO what you were experiencing was something else.




I do agree with what your saying, Icelander, but, to clarify it was not my love for her that was hurting me directly, it was being so in love with someone that I would not walk away despite the malign nature of that individuals actions toward self and others. It was her behavior, not the love I felt for her that caused the pain.


You would not have given a rat's ass about her behavior if you weren't "in love" with her.


:andyistic:





Tizz true. I think tolerated is a better way to put it than given a rats ass, though. I have low tolerance for people (shitty ones rather) due to general misanthropy, so if there had not been any form of deep care, love, whatever noise one would like to utter or twiddle ones fingers to conjure symbols which represent that noise, I would have kicked her ass to the curb.
And thanks for noticing the typo, I usually don't make that one.:awesomenod:


I'm assuming you guys are single?
I'm also assuming you guys may hold an unrealistic overly lofty ideal of love?:shrug:

I consider love to be that deep and intense connection I undeniably feel toward my lover.
I always painfully pick apart my feelings and emotions toward her, (often to her displeasure) pick apart my emotions, my attachments, our patterns in our relationship... Bring our insecurities to the surface... And in the end, I only feel stronger for her than I did before and vice versa.

Define what you guys hold love to be, within your world view?


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Re: " Love will tear us apart " [Re: Poid]
    #14132713 - 03/16/11 06:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I've noticed that they're polar opposites. :shrug2:



Not polar opposites.


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Re: " Love will tear us apart " [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #14132896 - 03/16/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I can agree completely with that statement. A couple months ago I got out of a two year relationship with my first love, someone who I thought I could be with forever. After a long time to reflect on the positives and negatives of the relationship, I started to realize what I loved wasn't her as much as having a relationship with her. Our relationship ended because we loved eachother so much that we never had moments apart except when work or class got in the way. For two years we were completely inseparable. A relationship like that strips someone from their former identity and the addiction of love keeps the truth from showing it's ugly head. Well, eventually it did and we realized that we were just stuck in the same routine... I go to work, class, come home and we talk about our day, smoke a bowl, make dinner and lay in bed, wake up the next day and do it again. We had no variation and even if we wanted it we realized how our love had turned us into creatures of habit and we would never be able to grow as individuals as long as we stayed in the relationship.

As much as it sucked, looking back it was such a good decision. In the last couple of months I've been able to create my own identity again, and explore every possible method of making me the happiest I can be without relying on someone else to make me happy. I don't have to worry about someone else's feelings ruining my day as it always happened before, because I wasn't capable of being in a good mood of my love was upset about something.

I still love the girl but it's a different kind of love. It's more like I care about her in a way that I would still do anything for her, because we shared some amazing experiences during that stage of my life. She showed me some of the happiest moments I've had in my life so far and showed me that I am capable of loving another human, and what an amazing feeling it is. I owe her a lot for that, for the rest of my life. I also owe her for showing me what I don't want in a relationship, and how a relationship can't be successful without two individuals who love themselves just as much as they love one another. I know what I'm looking for, and I think I'll have a better judgment on finding "the one" and what true love is supposed to feel like.

Love has to be a balance of everything in life and if it isn't, something like the relationship that I was in will happen and that imbalance will throw everything off in the long run. The biggest thing I've learned is to focus on who I am as an individual above and beyond all else, and that if I notice myself in a relationship that drastically changes who I am as a person an my personal beliefs, that it's one to get out of. Even if there is love. Love doesnt mean comparability or indefinite companionship, I didn't realize that until recently. That alone is one of the most important lessons the last couple of years has taught me.


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