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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: deCypher]
#14122962 - 03/14/11 11:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: PreparationH]
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From that link:
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These diets can cause a quick drop in weight because eliminating carbohydrates causes a loss of body fluids. Lowering carbohydrate intake also prevents the body from completely burning fat. In the diets that are also high in protein, substances called ketones are formed and released into the bloodstream, a condition called ketosis. It makes dieting easier because it lowers appetite and may cause nausea.
It's not too healthy to do for long periods of time though, as that article states.
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: PreparationH]
#14123000 - 03/15/11 12:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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PreparationH said: "I really don't want to bother going into the science of it"
nuff said.
Enough said about what? Grains have more anti-nutrients and are nutritionally devoid so why bother eating them?
Oh yea, because you need the "energy". Sorry, but your body doesn't use sugar as its main energy supply. Maybe small microbial bacteria and simpler organisms do such as your cells, but to actually function there are more mechanics to it than a simple stroke of the sugary wand of eager and naive scientific studies to wash away all our body's function. The fact of the matter is we still do not completely understand how most of the biological organisms work. I'm relying on years of evolution and cultural studies that show that the healthiest populations are those that eat the most saturated fats and protein alongside healthy supplements of vegetables. What does the population around you show though? I see maybe one in a hundred people who I would consider healthy. The rest are either too weak, too sensitive, or too dead to even be considered human.
Take a read through this: http://beyondveg.com/nicholson-w/hb/hb-interview1a.shtml
I didn't want to link anything because I had a feeling no one would bother reading it. But since you're so eager to call me out, then this will have to suffice for now.
Also, the moment I realized how generally retarded our government's programs and system is(FDA and many others...ahem AHA), is the moment I started becoming a better human being. Have you actually even read any of these studies they link to? Take a moment to really go in depth and critique their methods, some tend to be rather faulty.
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: MoxyOx]
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edit: fixing
Edited by PreparationH (03/15/11 12:33 AM)
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: PreparationH]
#14123754 - 03/15/11 05:22 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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i think if everybody would just use some common sense about their diet we wouldnt have this discussion over and over.
but the truth is that most people dont think at all or think wrong about what they eat. like the thread some weeks ago where OP wanted to switch to vegetarian by substituition of the meat in burgers/hot dogs with meatless equivalents. that's pretty much bullshit. imho you dont have to change WHAT you eat in the first place, but the way you think about food, the way you celebrate it and the way you think about "losing a few pounds". it's not like vegetarism makes you skinny because you just eat things that largely consist of water. there are plenty of options in a diet but most people don't realize that because they're so stuck with what you can buy at McDonald's or starbucks or whatnot (again, i'm not talking about you shroomerites, but John Doe). i think it's drugging and brain washing that led people to have false assumptions about what they need and what tastes good and how jewish vegetarians want to conquer the world.
> eat what you fucking want. to-the-core vegetarians do that too. most of them dont want to avoid being fat by eating no meat, because it doesnt work that way. meat DOES have good nutrients, but it's not like you can't substitute them with other stuff. if you're a meat eater and encounter a vegetarian, don't feel offended, for crying out loud, not everyone is a missionary. maybe you could learn a thing or too about food, i guess most vegetarians have a lot more knowledge about this than "normal" eaters that mostly dont question their diet at all.
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I eat whatever, and I keep gaining weight because I don't move my ass enough. I don't care about what anyone else eats, and I don't mind vegetarians at all, however I do hate it when either vegetarians or meatheads try to get each other to switch over to the "right" way of eating. I mean, wtf, eating isn't a fucking religion.
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Zardos]
#14123825 - 03/15/11 06:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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im veggytarian & lactose intolerant. this basically makes me Vegan but its hard to keep away from cheese & yogurt sauce
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: MoxyOx]
#14123867 - 03/15/11 06:55 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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MoxyOx said: When the advent of agriculture began and most of human cultures started farming wheat/sugars/rice is also the period when the bone density and stature along with health of each individual human began to decline. Starchy foods give you a false feeling of health it seems to me. It has a tendency to mask underlying issues.
there's several theories about the beginnings of agriculture one being the domestication of sheep and dogs followed by the planting of grains and lentils and others claiming the opposite with all kinds of foods being the first cultivate by man including figs
we dont really know because archeology like any other science is still a bit of guesswork, we can only go by what we find and try to work from there
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: MoxyOx]
#14124107 - 03/15/11 08:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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MoxyOx said:
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PreparationH said: "I really don't want to bother going into the science of it"
nuff said.
Enough said about what? Grains have more anti-nutrients and are nutritionally devoid so why bother eating them?
Oh yea, because you need the "energy". Sorry, but your body doesn't use sugar as its main energy supply. Maybe small microbial bacteria and simpler organisms do such as your cells, but to actually function there are more mechanics to it than a simple stroke of the sugary wand of eager and naive scientific studies to wash away all our body's function. The fact of the matter is we still do not completely understand how most of the biological organisms work. I'm relying on years of evolution and cultural studies that show that the healthiest populations are those that eat the most saturated fats and protein alongside healthy supplements of vegetables. What does the population around you show though? I see maybe one in a hundred people who I would consider healthy. The rest are either too weak, too sensitive, or too dead to even be considered human.
Take a read through this: http://beyondveg.com/nicholson-w/hb/hb-interview1a.shtml
I didn't want to link anything because I had a feeling no one would bother reading it. But since you're so eager to call me out, then this will have to suffice for now.
Also, the moment I realized how generally retarded our government's programs and system is(FDA and many others...ahem AHA), is the moment I started becoming a better human being. Have you actually even read any of these studies they link to? Take a moment to really go in depth and critique their methods, some tend to be rather faulty.
The recommended amount of vitamins and minerals we are suppose to eat is merely an guess based on what healthy people ate around that time, and the caloric/nutrition information found is based on tests done quite a few years ago. If I recall more than a decade.
People defend carbohydrates to not end, and the only good purpose eating them has served a population is to expand and not starve. The health consequences can be observed in the past and today.
The last school I was at was a culinary one, with nutrition majors learning conventional nutrition. The senior students would always try to rip me a new one since I follow a ketogenic diet out of choice and not because of epileptic dietary restraints. They are good at memorizing 'facts' in a book and from professors, but they have yet to think for themselves.
One of the things I recommend to people having bad nightmares is to one:eliminate light in their room, and two reduce their overall intake of sugar/carbs especially anywhere near bedtime. The fluctuation in blood sugar has caused me night terrors in the past, or once in awhile when it is my birthday and they insist on a cake binge.
Beyond that, most 'vegetarians' couldn't stand anything not sugar laden. Spirulina, a complete protein with b12 analogs and not true b12, is a blue green algae that used to be added to soups in some mexican food in times of need. The stuff tastes terrible, horrible. The smell of it in powder form has caused a friend to literally vomit. I used to eat that stuff for a bit to see if my health changed any since it was pretty much carb free for the most part. I didn't notice a difference a single bit, and grew tired of waking up to that smell. Literally like having oral sex to a bar of iron (hell I think a tablespoon has the supposed 20% iron for the day). Give that type of food to a vegetarian and watch them barf.
Every person I convinced to try a ketogenic diet for a long enough time in the proper way, has recovered from acid reflux issues. I still have vegetarian friends who about to start taking pills because they will not try something else first.
Deep down, every vegetarian I have met was either completely misinformed and never opened up a single useful reference or has alternative motives. The one gal, will not eat 'cute' animals or ones that could be 'pets'. Covered with faux knowledge of science, she considers her diet healthy even though she could never have children unless she ups her body fat in a proper way.
People call me bullheaded in public for being confident in what I say, and I never claim to be the be all end all of knowledge on the subject by any means. Yet they get mad because they would rather argue with emotion like they do in politics or any of their subject matter. Someone doesn't convince me by insulting me, especially if they go out of their way to tell me what I do is going to cause me a heart attack. My dad had a heart attack, and it isn't because there is anything similar that the two of us did. He's gone now, and cannot censor what I say on the topic anymore.
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Lennyk]
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if you eat a ketogenic diet, what color are your turds?
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: PreparationH]
#14129183 - 03/16/11 05:04 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I would shit twice a day when I ate lots of carbs. My poop was never fully digested either.
When I was on the raw foods diet it was always green and once again, never fully digested.
Now, my poop is thick, brown and creamy. As well, rarely do I ever poop more than once every other day. It feels... normal!
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Hakim0777]
#14129688 - 03/16/11 09:16 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hakim0777 said: I dont care if meat eaters want to eat meat but I always find it funny how some meat eaters seem genuinely pissed that someone doesnt eat meat hahaha. Vice versa too.
Imo there's nothing wrong with eating meat thats your choice, its the amount that is fucked up. Meat should be a side dish not a main course.
I know.. I have a friend that is pretty pissed that I'm a veggie.
Oh and Envix.. fat vegetarians isn't that strange, because cheese is vegetarian.
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Brugman]
#14129751 - 03/16/11 09:36 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Brugman said: Oh and Envix.. fat vegetarians isn't that strange, because cheese is vegetarian.
Most cheese isn't http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rennet
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Lennyk]
#14130200 - 03/16/11 11:24 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lennyk said:
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MoxyOx said:
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PreparationH said: "I really don't want to bother going into the science of it"
nuff said.
Enough said about what? Grains have more anti-nutrients and are nutritionally devoid so why bother eating them?
Oh yea, because you need the "energy". Sorry, but your body doesn't use sugar as its main energy supply. Maybe small microbial bacteria and simpler organisms do such as your cells, but to actually function there are more mechanics to it than a simple stroke of the sugary wand of eager and naive scientific studies to wash away all our body's function. The fact of the matter is we still do not completely understand how most of the biological organisms work. I'm relying on years of evolution and cultural studies that show that the healthiest populations are those that eat the most saturated fats and protein alongside healthy supplements of vegetables. What does the population around you show though? I see maybe one in a hundred people who I would consider healthy. The rest are either too weak, too sensitive, or too dead to even be considered human.
Take a read through this: http://beyondveg.com/nicholson-w/hb/hb-interview1a.shtml
I didn't want to link anything because I had a feeling no one would bother reading it. But since you're so eager to call me out, then this will have to suffice for now.
Also, the moment I realized how generally retarded our government's programs and system is(FDA and many others...ahem AHA), is the moment I started becoming a better human being. Have you actually even read any of these studies they link to? Take a moment to really go in depth and critique their methods, some tend to be rather faulty.
The recommended amount of vitamins and minerals we are suppose to eat is merely an guess based on what healthy people ate around that time, and the caloric/nutrition information found is based on tests done quite a few years ago. If I recall more than a decade.
People defend carbohydrates to not end, and the only good purpose eating them has served a population is to expand and not starve. The health consequences can be observed in the past and today.
The last school I was at was a culinary one, with nutrition majors learning conventional nutrition. The senior students would always try to rip me a new one since I follow a ketogenic diet out of choice and not because of epileptic dietary restraints. They are good at memorizing 'facts' in a book and from professors, but they have yet to think for themselves.
One of the things I recommend to people having bad nightmares is to one:eliminate light in their room, and two reduce their overall intake of sugar/carbs especially anywhere near bedtime. The fluctuation in blood sugar has caused me night terrors in the past, or once in awhile when it is my birthday and they insist on a cake binge.
Beyond that, most 'vegetarians' couldn't stand anything not sugar laden. Spirulina, a complete protein with b12 analogs and not true b12, is a blue green algae that used to be added to soups in some mexican food in times of need. The stuff tastes terrible, horrible. The smell of it in powder form has caused a friend to literally vomit. I used to eat that stuff for a bit to see if my health changed any since it was pretty much carb free for the most part. I didn't notice a difference a single bit, and grew tired of waking up to that smell. Literally like having oral sex to a bar of iron (hell I think a tablespoon has the supposed 20% iron for the day). Give that type of food to a vegetarian and watch them barf.
Every person I convinced to try a ketogenic diet for a long enough time in the proper way, has recovered from acid reflux issues. I still have vegetarian friends who about to start taking pills because they will not try something else first.
Deep down, every vegetarian I have met was either completely misinformed and never opened up a single useful reference or has alternative motives. The one gal, will not eat 'cute' animals or ones that could be 'pets'. Covered with faux knowledge of science, she considers her diet healthy even though she could never have children unless she ups her body fat in a proper way.
People call me bullheaded in public for being confident in what I say, and I never claim to be the be all end all of knowledge on the subject by any means. Yet they get mad because they would rather argue with emotion like they do in politics or any of their subject matter. Someone doesn't convince me by insulting me, especially if they go out of their way to tell me what I do is going to cause me a heart attack. My dad had a heart attack, and it isn't because there is anything similar that the two of us did. He's gone now, and cannot censor what I say on the topic anymore.
wooooow. Ok Im a vegitarian who occasional eats fish, not only do I get all the vitamins I need I also get 50+ grams of protien a day and Am and feel completely healthy. Im not missing out on anything by eating meat and sticking to low carbs. 
If thats your dietary choice more power to you, But Im doing just fine with mine.
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: pfxtc]
#14130260 - 03/16/11 11:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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pfxtc said: vegetarians are retarded

Really? another one of these threads?
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