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KS_funguy
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New to community, growing my first solo batch.
#14128943 - 03/16/11 02:46 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hi everybody, My name is Steve (aka Ks_funguy, pun intended). I am from southeast Kansas. I have helped a friend cultivate numerous batches of mushrooms over the past couple years and am now trying my hand at flying solo for the first time (My friend, unfortunately, now resides in an assisted car home and cannot do his magic anymore. Yes, even Hippies must eventually retire... poor fellow.)
So anyhow, to the meat of my post. Last Friday I inoculated 12 1/2 pints of PES Hawaiian. I am going by memory on all this stuff, and up until a few weeks ago I didn't know there was a community of people like this. I was blissfully unaware of "tek" guides, and other such fun stuff. Anyhow, I suppose I am using the PF Tek (I watched Roadkill's videos last night and it was pretty much identical to the tried and true method that I was taught).
There are a few things, however, that I wanted to ask.
1. With the dunk and roll, I was taught to dunk in a mixture of 80% Spring water and 20% Karo syrup. My "teacher" told me the Karo adds sucrose that gets the fruiting process jump started. But I have not come across anybody on the message boards doing this, and it was not in the videos. Was this just an unnecessary step that my friend did for psychological reasons perhaps, or is there any validity to it?
2. After the dunk and roll, the water that contained the Mycelium cakes is just tossed out. But couldn't it be used to inoculate more cakes, since it should definitely have mycelium content?
3. (Hate to put this question in this post as it belongs in the sponsors section, and I am sure I will probably get chastened for it) My teacher swore by getting his spores from Sporestore.com. He used to get them from a guy down in southern TX, but that guy apparently is no longer doing this. So my friend tried online sources, and the one he settled on was Sporestore. I bought several things from them before joining the shroomery, and now I see LOTS of negative stuff about their products. Should I be switching to a different supplier?
Anyhow, I am sorry if my post seems rather uneducated, but I am a welder by trade and have limited experience with mycology. One could say I was a "Hippie's Apprentice" for a couple years. So i welcome the exposure to this great, rich source of information.
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Re: New to community, growing my first solo batch. [Re: KS_funguy]
#14128974 - 03/16/11 02:56 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have no idea about the whole Karo thing. It isnt necessary, but maybe it was an old trick your friend used since it worked. Also, I wouldnt reccomend using the water used to dunk to start more pints. There could be bits of myc floating around, but why risk the contams? Also check out the shroomery vendors thread for a list of reputable dealers. Alot of people like using sporeworks for their syringes. Many have said they are good. I've only used spores101(not shroomery sponsored) and The Hawks Eye(sponsored.) The hawks eye is pretty good
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KS_funguy
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Re: New to community, growing my first solo batch. [Re: Divinity]
#14128992 - 03/16/11 03:03 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks for the reply Divinity. I always wondered why my friend would toss out the dunk water afterwards. In two years I have never once witnessed a lost cake to contamination. Perhaps it is merely because he knew what he was doing and didn't take risks like that... Will check out those sites. The spore syringes I just bought didn't have any visible spores floating in them.
-Ks_funguy
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Re: New to community, growing my first solo batch. [Re: KS_funguy]
#14129003 - 03/16/11 03:08 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Once you've been growing for a while and have sterile procedures down, it's easy to not lose to contamination. As for the syringes, it doesnt really matter if you can see spores in there. Chances are they are in there. Alot of people like having clearer syringes(cant remember why mass clumps of spores in syringes are frowned upon) Personally, it doesnt matter much to me. Good luck with your grow! If you ever need help, dont hesitate to ask. People around here have alot of information to offer Always glad to be of some service
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Re: New to community, growing my first solo batch. [Re: Divinity]
#14129018 - 03/16/11 03:17 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well, I am truly hoping and praying that all he has taught me in the past pays off, because I SO would love to be able to bring him a little "care package" next time I go visit him. His kids sorta had him put in a home because they thought he was senile (He got a little goofy in the middle of Walmart one night.), but I know in my heart that they were mis-reading the effects of his "hobby". Sad really. This is a man who was in Haight-Ashbury scene back in the day, hung out with legends... Has photos of himself beside Jerry Garcia and Tim Leary, among others.
-Ks_Funguy
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Re: New to community, growing my first solo batch. [Re: KS_funguy]
#14129056 - 03/16/11 03:43 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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as far as spores go.
i get all of mine from www.sporeworks.com
mention you're new to the shroomery and sometimes you get a freeby
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Re: New to community, growing my first solo batch. [Re: k00laid]
#14129212 - 03/16/11 05:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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hey glad to hear you are jumping in, thats a shame about your freind, IMO shame on his kids for throwing him in a assisted liveing, my work involves seniors and ive been to many assisted liveing centers and they are terrible places. Im glad he has a good freind like yourself willing to provide him with one of the greatest gifts in the world.
good luck with everything, you should have good results.
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Re: New to community, growing my first solo batch. [Re: ChronicSmoke]
#14129362 - 03/16/11 07:19 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I would also suggest using clean spores from clean syringes instead of the water from the mycelium.
But i have done it a couple of time for experimentation sake and it turns out good for me.
I soak my cakes in the same jars they were colonized in, after dunking for a day, i used a clean syringe and suck from the mycelium itself. Using the "water" i retrieve, i inoculate them in other jars.
Not only they seem to colonize faster, the pin set was as consistence as the initial cakes. Again, i have only done it couple times and switch back to using spores from syringes.
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Re: New to community, growing my first solo batch. [Re: KS_funguy]
#14129535 - 03/16/11 08:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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so for your questions
1. you should use just regular water for your dunk. ive not heard of that Karo tec. but if you wanted to try it. i suggest doing 2 of your 12 jars in that way to see if it helps. and keep us posted.
2. i doubt there would be enough myc to start a jar in that water. use your spores. or make a Karo lc, or even better buy some agar! that is the direction you'd like to go. or if you wanna use an liquid culture, wait till you get a nice fruit, and dissect a small piece of flesh from the inside of the stem, and toss that in some Karo water.
3 ive never used sporestore. or hawkeye. but if it has worked for you in the past, do what you like. im not gonna tell you no, but the sponsors have a good reputation for a reason. they hand out quality products every time. and i know alot of the sites have some great deals. so do some shopping around see where you'll get the best value.
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KS_funguy
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Re: New to community, growing my first solo batch. [Re: jimmyjame1]
#14131587 - 03/16/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thank you guys for your replies. I *hope* that I can live up to my teachings.
As far as the Karo thing goes, I will try a couple jars doing that and let you guys know my results. I know he did it EVERY time, and had wonderful flushes. But it will be interesting to compare to non-Karo dunked fruiting. It does make a certain amount of sense though, since it would just provide the myc with an added nutrient. Anyhow, I plan on steaming the dunk container first to sanitize before the dunk.
And to ChronicSmoke: I agree, assisted living centers are total hellholes. But luckily I know two people who work at this one, so I am hoping that my friend can enjoy some degree of comfort.
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Re: New to community, growing my first solo batch. [Re: KS_funguy]
#14131653 - 03/16/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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that doesnt sound too bad, as long as trusted people are working their i am sure hell be in good hands.
happy to hear that.
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KS_funguy
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Re: New to community, growing my first solo batch. [Re: ChronicSmoke]
#14141524 - 03/18/11 03:42 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wow. So, a week later, and NO sign mof mycelial growth. Think perhaps my spore syringes were bad. Perhaps it IS time to switch vendors. Wish I had a collection of spore prints to work with. A vendor wouldn't be an issue then. Oooh, that raises a question... will have to post a new thread about it.
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Re: New to community, growing my first solo batch. [Re: KS_funguy]
#14141528 - 03/18/11 03:44 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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sometimes it can take 2 weeks before first signs of growth..dont give up on them just yet..
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Re: New to community, growing my first solo batch. [Re: biologys]
#14142183 - 03/18/11 08:57 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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i personally have had spores take up to 3 weeks to germinate.
i had just spawned the jars to a bulk substrate when the retard jar germinated.
fruited just fine.
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Re: New to community, growing my first solo batch. [Re: k00laid]
#14142688 - 03/18/11 11:12 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah im starting to think thats how long its gonna take this 2 jars i got to get growing and ive read about people using karo in other forums if thats of any help
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Re: New to community, growing my first solo batch. [Re: darkhawk37]
#14142972 - 03/18/11 12:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Dude i got sporestored too. Just get more asap from a sponsor and start over. unless you got damn lucky. i ended up making my own syringes and have 24 going strong now with no contams
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Re: New to community, growing my first solo batch. [Re: curiousgeorge91]
#14145100 - 03/18/11 07:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well, I have set the jars aside for now, they are in a warm place and I will just go about my business and check on them later. I will just order spores someplace else and just wait. Just went to Walmart and stocked up on some stuff for a future grow I am planning. Was pleasantly surprised to find hygrometers (just the cheap Sunbeam ones, not digital) on clearance, so I snatched up a bunch of them. Gonna velcro them inside my tubs. Was also thinking about experimenting with casings. Wandered the lawn and garden section for like half an hour just checking stuff out. Ooooh... bone meal... lol
Hey, just out of curiosity, anybody know if you can add anything to your misting water to replenish some of the lost nutrients? Like some type of plant food? Might be a silly question...
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Re: New to community, growing my first solo batch. [Re: KS_funguy]
#14145780 - 03/18/11 09:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok, I got a little curious, and I had another syringe of the same Hawaiian from the same supplier. I have a Mag-Lite with leds, and I held it up behind the syringe and looked at it with a magnifying glass. And there are DEFINITELY spores in there. A whole shitload. Or at least black specks (that looked positively tiny even with the magnifying glass) that I take to be spores...
Anyhow, I knocked up another 8 1/2 pints with it, and labeled each jar so I know this is the second noc. We shall see what happens.
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Re: New to community, growing my first solo batch. [Re: KS_funguy]
#14146083 - 03/18/11 10:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm new to growing as well, but I'm really rooting for you so you can get your friend that 'care package'! Keep us updated, and post some pics if you can!
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Re: New to community, growing my first solo batch. [Re: KS_funguy]
#14146560 - 03/19/11 12:16 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
KS_funguy said: Hey, just out of curiosity, anybody know if you can add anything to your misting water to replenish some of the lost nutrients?
nope, in fact. most of the nutrients in the substrate are used up prior to fruiting.
not during fruiting.
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