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Fuck yeah.
I got so excited I started shutting it out a bit.
Thank you for that, will go and share this around.
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Spread that shit
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lol cool
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That was a really well done video... but what does one do if one recognizes one's self as a wayseer? Anyone read the book advertised on their website?
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you follow your intuition and just do thangz mang
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deCypher said: That was a really well done video... but what does one do if one recognizes one's self as a wayseer?
Why do we always have to be doing something? 
Just chill & enjoy life
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word, I'm just questioning whether or not there's an ulterior motive of the people who paid money to produce this.
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someone on the website said
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sign up but i need your email discover if you are a wayseer but i need your email read the first chapter free but i need your email
why
LOL
givin' em email
sounds like NWO doin' their thang 
but cool vid nonetheless
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The Chronic said:
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deCypher said: That was a really well done video... but what does one do if one recognizes one's self as a wayseer?
Why do we always have to be doing something? 
Just chill & enjoy life
 I am not a doer of thangz.
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Re: the way [Re: Poid]
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Poid said: I am not a doer of thangz. 
You just contradicted yourself by doin' thangs.
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By 'thangz', I was referring to things that don't involve lying down on my bed stoned.
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Re: the way [Re: Poid]
#14129330 - 03/16/11 07:05 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ahhh, gotcha
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Re: the way [Re: Poid]
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I AM SWIM said: someone on the website said
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sign up but i need your email discover if you are a wayseer but i need your email read the first chapter free but i need your email
why
LOL
givin' em email
sounds like NWO doin' their thang 
but cool vid nonetheless
ya thats why i didnt take theyre shit survey or sign up for shit
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Poid said: By 'thangz', I was referring to things that don't involve lying down on my bed stoned. 
but lying down on your bed stoned is fun?
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Re: the way [Re: lolwut]
#14129397 - 03/16/11 07:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It depends if I'm dreaming or not.
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Re: the way [Re: lolwut]
#14129454 - 03/16/11 07:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: the way [Re: teknix]
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Here is something you may be interested in, I'm sure you've seen the movies.
http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/
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word, I'm just questioning whether or not there's an ulterior motive of the people who paid money to produce this.
I don't think they would've had to pay much dude, you can get crack versions of video editing software & edit videos like that pretty easily, i mean it wouldv'e taken hours & hours to put it together, lots of work, but someone not so rich can do it themselves, you just need a laptop, the internet, and time
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Re: the way [Re: Poid]
#14129578 - 03/16/11 08:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Poid said: It depends if I'm dreaming or not.
you are
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Re: the way [Re: lolwut]
#14129594 - 03/16/11 08:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Laying down on my bed stoned just about beats everything, especially working, which requires you to be standing up for hours on end while sober!
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Re: the way [Re: Poid]
#14129771 - 03/16/11 09:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Unless you go to work stoned or trippin or some such thang
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#14129780 - 03/16/11 09:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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meh
My gut says not to trust that guy.
Appealing to a group who feels slighted and telling them they are special is age old stuff.
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VERY elitist imo. Of course everyone who loves this video thinks they are one of the select 1 in 10. IMO they're not. In fact I'm pretty certain none of us have a clue as to the real depth were plugged into this system.
Not that there isn't a lot of truth to what he's sayin.
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Not that there isn't a lot of truth to what he's sayin.
When one see the Way one sees the Truth.
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Re: the way [Re: lolwut]
#14129840 - 03/16/11 09:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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lolwut said: Unless you go to work stoned or trippin or some such thang 
Well yeah, but then there's still the standing up for hours on end part.
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Icelander said: VERY elitist imo. Of course everyone who loves this video thinks they are one of the select 1 in 10. IMO they're not. In fact I'm pretty certain none of us have a clue as to the real depth were plugged into this system.
Not that there isn't a lot of truth to what he's sayin.
it has nothing to do with being better than others its about being able to serve others better. is that a selfish thing? only if you want to be the one to do that mentally instead of emotionally. the idea is not to be a leader for your own sake but to be a leader for the people.
i know i'm in relatively rare company as far as my awareness and mental vision but its not something my ego gets off on it just is what it is and to be honest its a tough responsibility to hold because larvals don't want YOU to be the leader or 'alpha' they want themselves to have the spotlight for theirselves and they will compete with whoever is leading and try to put them down.
and the intent is not to lead. its to do your own thing righteously and it just so happens that doing that makes you a leader out here in society where we happen to co-exist.
we are all plugged into the system but some of us can see ways how we are. i doubt anybody is completely free but thats not the point because its not a contest. in fact its the opposite of this subtle competing that takes place everywhere...for once its about community and seeing every human as a member of your family.
you seem to think there is an ego thing involved with leading people and so you remain skeptical of those in such positions but truth is if most people are going to go back on to their selves they will have to be led there. while people do have ego's that can cleverly slip in the back door (especially in positions of power) the idea is selflessness so i do not think you are doing a service to the people and keeping ego's in check by spreading a skeptical influence, because this is about trusting your self and your inner truth, and unforunately, since like you mentioned nobody really has the strength or awareness to really free themselves up totally from control of the system, we must change the system to allow ourselves more freedom if we are going to have to be stuck in it, so we must create a community that allows the human spirit to act more freely.
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One video and you're ready to fight for this guy. 
I should take notes from him for my takeover bid. 
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you seem to think there is an ego thing involved with leading people
To lead requires at some level for you to believe you are more "right" than someone else. How is the ego not in play here?
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Re: the way [Re: Cups]
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Egos are always involved in human interactions.
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Re: the way [Re: Cups]
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Cups said: meh
My gut says not to trust that guy.
Appealing to a group who feels slighted and telling them they are special is age old stuff.
definitely follow your gut.
but there's something wrong with making people feel special aka beautiful and loved? lol...weirdo
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but there's something wrong with making people feel special aka beautiful and loved? lol...weirdo 
Not wrong per se. At best it's harmless at worst it's quite the opposite.
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ATTENTION: All you rule-breakers, you misfits and troublemakers - all you free spirits and pioneers - all you visionaries and non-conformists ...
Everything that the establishment has told you is wrong with you - is more likely what's right with you.
You see things others don’t. You are hardwired to change the world. Unlike 9 out of 10 people - your mind is irrepressable - and this threatens authority. You were born to be a revolutionary.
You can’t stand rules because in your heart you know there’s a better way.
You have strengths dangerous to the establishment - and it wants them eliminated, So your whole life you’ve been told your strengths were weaknesses - Now I’m telling you otherwise.
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Discover the vital breakthrough for free-spirits, visionaries, misfits, rebels and pioneers...
How your rare irrepressible mind ~ the source of your greatest strengths and weaknesses ~ gives you the miraculous ability to transform the world.
You can get an advance copy of this unreleased book if you contribute to the Wayseers Movement.
movement=checking account
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Re: the way [Re: Cups]
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I suppose it's symbiotic. He needs to be believed and they need someone to believe in.
I'm not actually sure why I have a problem with it.
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Re: the way [Re: Cups]
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Cups said: One video and you're ready to fight for this guy. 
I should take notes from him for my takeover bid. 
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you seem to think there is an ego thing involved with leading people
To lead requires at some level for you to believe you are more "right" than someone else. How is the ego not in play here?
the idea is to be internally focused so that leading just happens to be what you are externally doing. people clearly don't have the strength to trust their truest nature that is the most aligned and balanced because that takes straying from the pack that was led together by fear. we seek our courage in others (emerson). if some have and trust this courage and not only are they aware of it but they are aware of it in others and see others are just scared to stand in it then putting people back onto it is egoistic? you're paranoid. you just don't want anybody to lead but that is not human nature. the masses have to be led somewhere, might as well lead them to themselves 
so anyway you don't believe you are more 'right' than anyone else, the idea is you just follow the way and stay behaving in ways that keep you most integrally aligned. the ego can come into play after, yes, of course, but the compelling factor is not the ego.
you seem to be too deeply skeptical of others ego's to trust the idea of serving a greater cause. a global community is building rapidly tho.
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I guess you've covered my reply to nasty pretty well. Thanks cause I wasn't in the mood to go over this all again.
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but there's something wrong with making people feel special aka beautiful and loved? lol...weirdo 
Not wrong per se. At best it's harmless at worst it's quite the opposite.
at best its harmless? okay 
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Cups said: I suppose it's symbiotic. He needs to be believed and they need someone to believe in.
I'm not actually sure why I have a problem with it. 
i think i know why you have a problem with it.
your ego.
its the subtle competition that permeates society where men don't want other men to have the spotlight and attention because they subtly crave it for their selves and don't want to be outshined. men don't think other men are worthy enough of the 'top spot' until another male has established and proven their self socially as worthy of assuming a 'dominant' position without questioning or challenging. however the idea for once is community of the self/spirit and NOT competition of ego. love feeds the spirit and attention feeds the ego. if you don't like the attention someone else commands then that is your ego speaking. there is enough to go around for everybody tho
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Poid said: Egos are always involved in human interactions.
not when treating others like family. love is more powerful than fear for your own survival and your own needs. you just need to be connected first to feel like you can connect others 
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paranoid.
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i think i know why you have a problem with it.
your ego.
Yeah maybe. I'll check into it and let you know what I find out.
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Poid said: Egos are always involved in human interactions.
not when treating others like family.
WTF does who you're with have to do with anything? We're social creatures, and we use our egos to relate to other humans when socializing; there's no way around this.
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NastyDHL said: love is more powerful than fear for your own survival and your own needs.
What kind of horseshit it this? Fear is a prime motivator of human behavior, and we wouldn't have survived to this point without it; many animals don't experience love, but can survive and meet their needs fine.
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NastyDHL said: you just need to be connected first to feel like you can connect others 
Connected to what? 
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paranoid.
That's such a fucking random-ass answer, where in the hell do you get the idea that I'm paranoid? What reason would I have to be paranoid of you? Do you think you're frightening to me or something? Do you even know what paranoia is? 
You consider others to be part of this group that you've called the "masses", which you consider yourself to be above in the sense that it's your duty to lead them--that screams of elitism up the ass, man. 

BTW, hubris = death anxiety.
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Poid said: Egos are always involved in human interactions.
not when treating others like family.
WTF does who you're with have to do with anything? We're social creatures, and we use our egos to relate to other humans when socializing; there's no way around this.
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NastyDHL said: love is more powerful than fear for your own survival and your own needs.
What kind of horseshit it this? Fear is a prime motivator of human behavior, and we wouldn't have survived to this point without it; many animals don't experience love, but can survive and meet their needs fine.
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NastyDHL said: you just need to be connected first to feel like you can connect others 
Connected to what? 
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paranoid.
That's such a fucking random-ass answer, where in the hell do you get the idea that I'm paranoid? What reason would I have to be paranoid of you? Do you think you're frightening to me or something? Do you even know what paranoia is? 
You consider others to be part of this group that you've called the "masses", which you consider yourself to be above in the sense that it's your duty to lead them--that screams of elitism up the ass, man. 

what you said to me screams of a creature unloved at its core but scared of allowing love to penetrate it.
look at the negative emotions stirred up in yourself. can you remove your ego from the equation of our interaction to honestly see what is reflected?
its not only my duty to lead others closer to the way but its my duty to be led closer to the way and i will accept both as humbly as my ego allows. i don't consider myself above the people, for once i consider myself a part of them. and once again thats YOUR ego speaking because it doesn't want someone to have more a more dominant position than him (or the one who has dominance over him :COUGH: icelander :COUGH:) in the social chain until it plays the 'necessary' social games to 'deserve' such a position. do you notice how in nearly all group of friends (besides those that treat eachother like family) everybody secretly thinks that they are 'better' than everybody else?
and to act like you haven't been led to where you are is ego. i owe my current state to emerson bob marley jung tim leary lupe fiasco mlk jr. jung robert anton wilson etc...and i respect them as divine instruments sacrificing their ego to instead take up pointing to the way-- i do not respect/worship their ego's and command of social attention/popularity for my own sense of identity.
"Men try to become God but what happens is God becomes Men." -Jung
fear is the disconnect while love is the connection. fear gives life to the ego. have you ever experienced ego-death? fear is the resistance. but what happens when your ego dissolves? infinite bliss and connection to a higher consciousness. ego is fearful of being dissolved but it takes faith to be that spiritually/emotionally vulnerable.
evolution is mind re-creating and re-designing its mental structures to satisfy the soul.
"as Jung rather stunningly tells it, God is actually unconscious of a large part of Himself and not unlike a lot of his creatures, He's in the process of "discovering" Himself as an individual. That, according to Jung, is the reason that God had to become man, and why he is still trying to become man: to come to awareness about Himself."
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Re: the way [Re: Poid] 1
#14130215 - 03/16/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Poid said: BTW, hubris = death anxiety. 
hmmm death anxiety...i wonder who led you to that idea 
we're all followers. its human nature. to not accept that is elitist.
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NastyDHL said: what you said to me screams of a creature unloved at its core but scared of allowing love to penetrate it.
Not sure what you mean by "unloved" at the core, or what you mean by "allowing love to penetrate it"--what you've been saying screams of a creature that definitely shouldn't quit its day job, and start learning that his ability to understand people online is sorely lacking. 
Nice way to doge my post, though, t'was totally original and unexpected. 
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NastyDHL said: look at the negative emotions stirred up in yourself. can you remove your ego from the equation of our interaction to honestly see what is reflected?
What negative emotions? Why do you think that you can sense my emotions based on the words I'm typing? I'm not sure what you mean by "see what is reflected", may you explain, or are you going to dodge this, too?
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NastyDHL said: its not only my duty to lead others closer to the way but its my duty to be led closer to the way and i will accept both as humbly as my ego allows.
Bullshit. You just relish the idea of being this super-loved guru figure, and I don't blame you. 
The fact that you believe you have some sort of "duty" is very telling. 
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NastyDHL said: i don't consider myself above the people, for once i consider myself a part of them. and once again thats YOUR ego speaking because it doesn't want someone to have more a more dominant position than him in the social chain until it plays the 'necessary' social games to 'deserve' such a position.

Goddamn, you come up with such random crap, I can hardly believe it; I know that I'm not an alpha male in every single aspect of life, and I accept this fact humbly. I do not give a shit at all if somebody is better than me at something, it doesn't matter to me in the least.
WTF do you mean by "plays the 'necessary' social games to 'deserve' such a position"? Do you honestly think my level of jealousy of someone's skill/ability would depend on whether or not they deserved that skill socially? You really think I give a shit about social games to this extent? That almost pisses me off! 
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NastyDHL said: do you notice how in nearly all group of friends (besides those that treat eachother like family) everybody secretly thinks that they are 'better' than everybody else?
This is called hubris, and occurs even within family; I've seen tons of it within family.
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NastyDHL said: and to act like you haven't been led to where you are is ego.
I have no leader; to worship other people is retarded ego. 
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NastyDHL said: i owe my current state to emerson bob marley jung tim leary lupe fiasco mlk jr. jung robert anton wilson etc...and i respect them as divine instruments sacrificing their ego to instead take up pointing to the way-- i do not respect/worship their ego's and command of social attention/popularity for my own sense of identity.
Cool, you have role models. 
What is it about them that you respect/worship, if not their egos and command of social attention/popularity?
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NastyDHL said: "Men try to become God but what happens is God becomes Men." -Jung
Oh, proof, just what I asked for! 
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NastyDHL said: fear is the disconnect while love is the connection. fear gives life to the ego.
Baseless personal pet theories are annoying, and a dime-a-dozen.
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NastyDHL said: have you ever experienced ego-death? fear is the resistance. but what happens when your ego dissolves? infinite bliss and connection to a higher consciousness. ego is fearful of being dissolved but it takes faith to be that spiritually/emotionally vulnerable.
I've had fucked up experiences on psychedelics, and have analyzed myself and my ego in-depth--I've never completely "lost" it entirely, though.
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NastyDHL said: evolution is mind re-creating and re-designing its mental structures to satisfy the soul.
No, it isn't. Read about evolution before you come up with such silly nonsense.
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NastyDHL said: "as Jung rather stunningly tells it, God is actually unconscious of a large part of Himself and not unlike a lot of his creatures, He's in the process of "discovering" Himself as an individual. That, according to Jung, is the reason that God had to become man, and why he is still trying to become man: to come to awareness about Himself."
I don't give a shit about Jung, FYI.
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Re: the way [Re: Poid] 1
#14130335 - 03/16/11 11:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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 stay in your comfortable box. the way is there when you want to give up on yourself and trust your Self.
but yeah you can just go ahead and brush that off as mystical nonsense death-anxiety fueled mumbo jumbo
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 stay in your comfortable box.
Oh my God...
Seriously, guy? I respond to each of your points, you ignore all of mine, and I'm staying in my comfortable box? 
How childishly retarded; I never thought I'd ever say this to anybody else, but you really need to grow up. 
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NastyDHL said: the way is there when you want to give up on yourself and trust your Self.
You sound exactly like a fucking Jesus-freak; I hope you know this, because to me you are no different. 
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I did more than brush it, I examined it; you brushed off my responses, though.
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Re: the way [Re: Poid]
#14130492 - 03/16/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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dude i do not have the connection yet to maintain the patience and compassion necessary to deal with your stubborn reluctance to sway from your path. plus i'm sure you've heard it many time that the way you respond makes it annoying (impatience) to reply adequately.
but to touch on a few things...
yes hubris exists between blood related family btu thats not what i said. i said people who treat each other like family not who are socially recognized as family. one is a true tribal connection one is merely circumstantial.
you can think i'm 'dodging' your points but i just don't feel like competing with you over who is right
and that the fact that that 'almost pisses you off' (it did piss you off by the way you just kept 'control' over your emotions and stifled them) says alot about how seriously you take the social game of not taking social games seriously.
many people feel a sense of duty or servitude to the idea of community. the fact that you do not and are skeptical of anyone who does is very telling
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NastyDHL said: dude i do not have the connection yet to maintain the patience and compassion necessary to deal with your stubborn reluctance to sway from your path.
I think I've heard Jesus-freaks say this. Also Mormons.
I'm glad you can be so obsessed with your dogma, though, I envy your kind. 
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NastyDHL said: plus i'm sure you've heard it many time that the way you respond makes it annoying (impatience) to reply adequately.
That's your own personal neurosis, don't put it on me.
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NastyDHL said: you can think i'm 'dodging' your points but i just don't feel like competing with you over who is right
It's not about who is right, but what is right--egolessness much? 
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Dude, are you like fifteen? I was just joking about that...
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NastyDHL said: ...says alot about how seriously you take the social game of not taking social games seriously.
Yep, me making jokes truly demonstrates how obsessed I am with social games.
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NastyDHL said: many people feel a sense of duty or servitude to the idea of community.
Yup, childhood conditioning is greatly to blame for this, as well as death anxiety.
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NastyDHL said: the fact that you do not and are skeptical of anyone who does is very telling 
Skeptical? I'm not skeptical of them, they're doing what they're doing. I do think they're mostly stupid and misguided, though, and I don't see how that's telling of anything other than the fact that I can recognize hubris/self-importance in its various manifestations.
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Re: the way [Re: Poid]
#14130624 - 03/16/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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NastyDHL said: you can think i'm 'dodging' your points but i just don't feel like competing with you over who is right
It's not about who is right, but what is right--egolessness much? 
werd.
so why then have you felt the need to make political moves like insulting me and labeling me to help your ego brush off my 'threatening' argument and retain the stability of its structure?
you draw people into your games so you can win them. its not about whats right with you its about who isn't.
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NastyDHL said: you can think i'm 'dodging' your points but i just don't feel like competing with you over who is right
It's not about who is right, but what is right--egolessness much? 
werd.
so why then have you felt the need to make political moves like insulting me and labeling me to help your ego brush off my 'threatening' argument and retain the stability of its structure?
I never insulted you, if I did I'd be banned; I've had enough spankings in this forum to know what not to say. 
You are right to put 'threatening' in quotes, your argument wasn't threatening in the least; again, are you fifteen or something? All I've been doing is pointing out what I perceive to be flaws in your line of thinking, and I'm doing this because I enjoy it; I enjoy it for many reasons, but mainly because it's a raw form of entertainment.
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NastyDHL said: you draw people into your games so you can win them. its not about whats right with you its about who isn't.
*beat them
Everybody has "games" that they draw people in, and nobody likes to lose at anything; if you think it's about who is right with me, then that's just an inaccurate projection. I usually try my best to ignore parts of people's posts that are not premises, claims, or supporting evidence, so I can get directly at the issue (as opposed to the people presenting the issue); the people I debate with are irrelevant to me until I've known them for long enough. Sure, I like to make passive remarks about irrelevant issues usually relating to the poster and his/her lifestyle at times, but this isn't usually the focus of my argument, I just add it for a little comedic effect. 
So yeah, you're like the next Jesus. Only blacker.
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Re: the way [Re: Poid]
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Poid said: I never insulted you
again, are you fifteen or something?
that is not condescension? i'm not going to take the time to point out the other examples...
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Nope, it's a genuine question; only a fifteen year old would have trouble distinguishing the difference. 
It's crazy, though, that you claim all this "egolessness" "humble" bullcrap when you're ego is so sensitive to anything that can even be slightly construed as being an insult; not at all uncommon for your type.
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Re: the way [Re: Poid]
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word, I'm just questioning whether or not there's an ulterior motive of the people who paid money to produce this.
I don't think they would've had to pay much dude, you can get crack versions of video editing software & edit videos like that pretty easily, i mean it wouldv'e taken hours & hours to put it together, lots of work, but someone not so rich can do it themselves, you just need a laptop, the internet, and time 
Yeah, but they've also got a professional-looking book published that they're offering for sale... looks like someone's trying to make a profit out of this in the long run, especially if they're getting everybody's email. Just my opinion.
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Re: the way [Re: Cups] 1
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^^^Well there's nothing wrong with making some money off of your ideas. That video is actually fairly slick marketing...although it won't last long with all the copyright infringement going on.
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Cups said: I suppose it's symbiotic. He needs to be believed and they need someone to believe in.
I'm not actually sure why I have a problem with it. 
I've thought about this off and on during the day.
Part of it is some personal angst which I'm directing at anyone who is sure they know what it's "all" about right now. I used to think I knew too, but then I found out I didn't and I'm processing that.
Another part of it is just general disgust at the human condition. As Nasty rightly pointed out the fact that most people "need" to be led and are so willing to be so....I find it disgusting.
Some days I feel compassion for people, sometimes disgust. It was disgust today. 
Anyway, best of luck to them and anyone who signs up to support the cause I guess.
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Re: the way [Re: Cups]
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doin' thangs
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