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Re: the way [Re: Poid]
    #14129771 - 03/16/11 09:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Unless you go to work stoned or trippin or some such thang :mushroom2:


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Re: the way [Re: Poid] * 1
    #14129780 - 03/16/11 09:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

meh

My gut says not to trust that guy. 

Appealing to a group who feels slighted and telling them they are special is age old stuff.


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Re: the way [Re: NastyDHL]
    #14129791 - 03/16/11 09:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

VERY elitist imo.:lol:  Of course everyone who loves this video thinks they are one of the select 1 in 10.  IMO they're not.  In fact I'm pretty certain none of us have a clue as to the real depth were plugged into this system.

Not that there isn't a lot of truth to what he's sayin.


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Re: the way [Re: Icelander]
    #14129810 - 03/16/11 09:52 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Not that there isn't a lot of truth to what he's sayin.




When one see the Way one sees the Truth. :lol:


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Re: the way [Re: lolwut]
    #14129840 - 03/16/11 09:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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lolwut said:
Unless you go to work stoned or trippin or some such thang :mushroom2:


Well yeah, but then there's still the standing up for hours on end part. :bored:


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Re: the way [Re: Icelander]
    #14129888 - 03/16/11 10:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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VERY elitist imo.:lol:  Of course everyone who loves this video thinks they are one of the select 1 in 10.  IMO they're not.  In fact I'm pretty certain none of us have a clue as to the real depth were plugged into this system.

Not that there isn't a lot of truth to what he's sayin.




it has nothing to do with being better than others its about being able to serve others better. is that a selfish thing? only if you want to be the one to do that mentally instead of emotionally. the idea is not to be a leader for your own sake but to be a leader for the people.

i know i'm in relatively rare company as far as my awareness and mental vision but its not something my ego gets off on it just is what it is and to be honest its a tough responsibility to hold because larvals don't want YOU to be the leader or 'alpha' they want themselves to have the spotlight for theirselves and they will compete with whoever is leading and try to put them down.

and the intent is not to lead. its to do your own thing righteously and it just so happens that doing that makes you a leader out here in society where we happen to co-exist.

we are all plugged into the system but some of us can see ways how we are. i doubt anybody is completely free but thats not the point because its not a contest. in fact its the opposite of this subtle competing that takes place everywhere...for once its about community and seeing every human as a member of your family.

you seem to think there is an ego thing involved with leading people and so you remain skeptical of those in such positions but truth is if most people are going to go back on to their selves they will have to be led there. while people do have ego's that can cleverly slip in the back door (especially in positions of power) the idea is selflessness so i do not think you are doing a service to the people and keeping ego's in check by spreading a skeptical influence, because this is about trusting your self and your inner truth, and unforunately, since like you mentioned nobody really has the strength or awareness to really free themselves up totally from control of the system, we must change the system to allow ourselves more freedom if we are going to have to be stuck in it, so we must create a community that allows the human spirit to act more freely.


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Re: the way [Re: NastyDHL]
    #14129917 - 03/16/11 10:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

One video and you're ready to fight for this guy.  :eek:

I should take notes from him for my takeover bid. :strokebeard:

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you seem to think there is an ego thing involved with leading people




To lead requires at some level for you to believe you are more "right" than someone else.  How is the ego not in play here?


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Re: the way [Re: Cups]
    #14129922 - 03/16/11 10:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Egos are always involved in human interactions.


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Re: the way [Re: Cups]
    #14129929 - 03/16/11 10:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Cups said:
meh

My gut says not to trust that guy. 

Appealing to a group who feels slighted and telling them they are special is age old stuff.




definitely follow your gut.

but there's something wrong with making people feel special aka beautiful and loved? :rolleyes: lol...weirdo :tongue2:


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Re: the way [Re: NastyDHL]
    #14129962 - 03/16/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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but there's something wrong with making people feel special aka beautiful and loved? :rolleyes: lol...weirdo :tongue2:




Not wrong per se.  At best it's harmless at worst it's quite the opposite. 

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      You see things others don’t. You are hardwired to change the world. Unlike 9 out of 10 people - your mind is irrepressable - and this threatens authority. You were born to be a revolutionary.

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Re: the way [Re: Cups]
    #14129969 - 03/16/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I suppose it's symbiotic.  He needs to be believed and they need someone to believe in. 

I'm not actually sure why I have a problem with it.  :strokebeard:


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Re: the way [Re: Cups]
    #14129974 - 03/16/11 10:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Cups said:
One video and you're ready to fight for this guy.  :eek:

I should take notes from him for my takeover bid. :strokebeard:

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you seem to think there is an ego thing involved with leading people




To lead requires at some level for you to believe you are more "right" than someone else.  How is the ego not in play here?




the idea is to be internally focused so that leading just happens to be what you are externally doing. people clearly don't have the strength to trust their truest nature that is the most aligned and balanced because that takes straying from the pack that was led together by fear. we seek our courage in others (emerson). if some have and trust this courage and not only are they aware of it but they are aware of it in others and see others are just scared to stand in it then putting people back onto it is egoistic? you're paranoid. you just don't want anybody to lead but that is not human nature. the masses have to be led somewhere, might as well lead them to themselves :shrug:

so anyway you don't believe you are more 'right' than anyone else, the idea is you just follow the way and stay behaving in ways that keep you most integrally aligned. the ego can come into play after, yes, of course, but the compelling factor is not the ego.

you seem to be too deeply skeptical of others ego's to trust the idea of serving a greater cause. a global community is building rapidly tho.

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Re: the way [Re: NastyDHL]
    #14129999 - 03/16/11 10:39 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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NastyDHL said:
the masses have to be led somewhere, might as well lead them to themselves :shrug:



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Icelander said:
VERY elitist imo.:lol:




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Re: the way [Re: Cups] * 1
    #14130002 - 03/16/11 10:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I guess you've covered my reply to nasty pretty well.  Thanks cause I wasn't in the mood to go over this all again.:satansmoking:


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Re: the way [Re: Cups]
    #14130018 - 03/16/11 10:44 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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but there's something wrong with making people feel special aka beautiful and loved? :rolleyes: lol...weirdo :tongue2:




Not wrong per se.  At best it's harmless at worst it's quite the opposite. 






at best its harmless? :lol: okay :wink:


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I suppose it's symbiotic.  He needs to be believed and they need someone to believe in. 

I'm not actually sure why I have a problem with it.  :strokebeard:




i think i know why you have a problem with it.

your ego.

its the subtle competition that permeates society where men don't want other men to have the spotlight and attention because they subtly crave it for their selves and don't want to be outshined. men don't think other men are worthy enough of the 'top spot' until another male has established and proven their self socially as worthy of assuming a 'dominant' position without questioning or challenging. however the idea for once is community of the self/spirit and NOT competition of ego. love feeds the spirit and attention feeds the ego. if you don't like the attention someone else commands then that is your ego speaking. there is enough to go around for everybody tho :hug: :heart: :peace:


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Re: the way [Re: Poid]
    #14130040 - 03/16/11 10:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Egos are always involved in human interactions.




not when treating others like family. love is more powerful than fear for your own survival and your own needs. you just need to be connected first to feel like you can connect others :wink:

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Poid said:
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the masses have to be led somewhere, might as well lead them to themselves :shrug:



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VERY elitist imo.:lol:







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Re: the way [Re: NastyDHL]
    #14130063 - 03/16/11 10:54 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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i think i know why you have a problem with it.

your ego.





Yeah maybe.  I'll check into it and let you know what I find out.


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Re: the way [Re: NastyDHL]
    #14130093 - 03/16/11 11:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Poid said:
Egos are always involved in human interactions.




not when treating others like family.


WTF does who you're with have to do with anything? We're social creatures, and we use our egos to relate to other humans when socializing; there's no way around this.


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love is more powerful than fear for your own survival and your own needs.


What kind of horseshit it this? Fear is a prime motivator of human behavior, and we wouldn't have survived to this point without it; many animals don't experience love, but can survive and meet their needs fine.


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you just need to be connected first to feel like you can connect others :wink:


Connected to what? :doggystyle:


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NastyDHL said:
the masses have to be led somewhere, might as well lead them to themselves :shrug:



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VERY elitist imo.:lol:







paranoid.


That's such a fucking random-ass answer, where in the hell do you get the idea that I'm paranoid? What reason would I have to be paranoid of you? Do you think you're frightening to me or something? Do you even know what paranoia is? :undecided:


You consider others to be part of this group that you've called the "masses", which you consider yourself to be above in the sense that it's your duty to lead them--that screams of elitism up the ass, man. :lol:

:superiority:



BTW, hubris = death anxiety. :satansmoking:


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    #14130209 - 03/16/11 11:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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NastyDHL said:
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Poid said:
Egos are always involved in human interactions.




not when treating others like family.


WTF does who you're with have to do with anything? We're social creatures, and we use our egos to relate to other humans when socializing; there's no way around this.


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NastyDHL said:
love is more powerful than fear for your own survival and your own needs.


What kind of horseshit it this? Fear is a prime motivator of human behavior, and we wouldn't have survived to this point without it; many animals don't experience love, but can survive and meet their needs fine.


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NastyDHL said:
you just need to be connected first to feel like you can connect others :wink:


Connected to what? :doggystyle:


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NastyDHL said:
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Poid said:
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NastyDHL said:
the masses have to be led somewhere, might as well lead them to themselves :shrug:



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Icelander said:
VERY elitist imo.:lol:







paranoid.


That's such a fucking random-ass answer, where in the hell do you get the idea that I'm paranoid? What reason would I have to be paranoid of you? Do you think you're frightening to me or something? Do you even know what paranoia is? :undecided:


You consider others to be part of this group that you've called the "masses", which you consider yourself to be above in the sense that it's your duty to lead them--that screams of elitism up the ass, man. :lol:

:superiority:




what you said to me screams of a creature unloved at its core but scared of allowing love to penetrate it.

look at the negative emotions stirred up in yourself. can you remove your ego from the equation of our interaction to honestly see what is reflected?


its not only my duty to lead others closer to the way but its my duty to be led closer to the way and i will accept both as humbly as my ego allows. i don't consider myself above the people, for once i consider myself a part of them. and once again thats YOUR ego speaking because it doesn't want someone to have more a more dominant position than him (or the one who has dominance over him :COUGH: icelander :COUGH:) in the social chain until it plays the 'necessary' social games to 'deserve' such a position.  do you notice how in nearly all group of friends (besides those that treat eachother like family) everybody secretly thinks that they are 'better' than everybody else?

and to act like you haven't been led to where you are is ego. i owe my current state to emerson bob marley jung tim leary lupe fiasco mlk jr. jung robert anton wilson etc...and i respect them as divine instruments sacrificing their ego to instead take up pointing to the way-- i do not respect/worship their ego's and command of social attention/popularity for my own sense of identity.


"Men try to become God but what happens is God becomes Men." -Jung


fear is the disconnect while love is the connection. fear gives life to the ego. have you ever experienced ego-death? fear is the resistance. but what happens when your ego dissolves? infinite bliss and connection to a higher consciousness. ego is fearful of being dissolved but it takes faith to be that spiritually/emotionally vulnerable.

evolution is mind re-creating and re-designing its mental structures to satisfy the soul.


"as Jung rather stunningly tells it, God is actually unconscious of a large part of Himself and not unlike a lot of his creatures, He's in the process of "discovering" Himself as an individual.  That, according to Jung, is the reason that God had to become man, and why he is still trying to become man: to come to awareness about Himself."


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    #14130215 - 03/16/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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BTW, hubris = death anxiety. :satansmoking:





hmmm death anxiety...i wonder who led you to that idea :smirk: :tongue2:

we're all followers. its human nature. to not accept that is elitist.


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