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panaeolus cinctulus and panaeolus ___?
    #14127805 - 03/15/11 10:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

found some mushrooms of the panaeolus genus today on a beautiful grassy hill that was scattered with horse poo.  the lighter colored ones with the thicker stems were definitely panaeolus cinctulus or pan subbs but the dark ones could be a different species from this genus. the darker mushrooms in question produced a black spore print.  any ideas regarding the species of the second group would be much appreciated
panaeolus cinctulus




All together now

unknown panaeolus






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Most people have their priorities totally jacked up and aren't usually hunting for mushrooms.
I don't know what to say to these guys, I am just like....Umm...you are fucked."

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Re: panaeolus cinctulus and panaeolus ___? [Re: adamlivesinCA]
    #14128029 - 03/15/11 11:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Most, perhaps all of your mushrooms are Panaeolus papilionaceus.

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Re: panaeolus cinctulus and panaeolus ___? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #14128217 - 03/15/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
Most, perhaps all of your mushrooms are Panaeolus papilionaceus.




hmm.. i was totally under the impression that i had collected two distinct varieties


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"i know not with what weapons world war three with be fought, but world war four will be fought with sticks and stones."  -albert einstein


Ran-D said:  "Are you ever not hunting somewhere awesome? :shakefist:"

Alan Rockefeller said:  "No.
I have my priorities straight. 
Most people have their priorities totally jacked up and aren't usually hunting for mushrooms.
I don't know what to say to these guys, I am just like....Umm...you are fucked."

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Re: panaeolus cinctulus and panaeolus ___? [Re: adamlivesinCA]
    #14128285 - 03/15/11 11:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i think you're right that they are mostly papilionaceus but i still think the lighter colored ones are different. here's another photo of them before they got knocked around in my backpack.  don't the two on top look pretty different?


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"i know not with what weapons world war three with be fought, but world war four will be fought with sticks and stones."  -albert einstein


Ran-D said:  "Are you ever not hunting somewhere awesome? :shakefist:"

Alan Rockefeller said:  "No.
I have my priorities straight. 
Most people have their priorities totally jacked up and aren't usually hunting for mushrooms.
I don't know what to say to these guys, I am just like....Umm...you are fucked."

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Re: panaeolus cinctulus and panaeolus ___? [Re: adamlivesinCA]
    #14128675 - 03/16/11 01:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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adamlivesinCA said:
don't the two on top look pretty different?





I think they are the same but it would be interesting to check the microscopic and genetic features.

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Re: panaeolus cinctulus and panaeolus ___? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #14129404 - 03/16/11 07:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Alan what kind of Microscope do you use?  what's a good cheap one to buy?


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Re: panaeolus cinctulus and panaeolus ___? [Re: The Inner Eye]
    #14131989 - 03/16/11 04:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Alan what kind of Microscope do you use?  what's a good cheap one to buy?




I have a few, the one I use most is a Radical phase contrast compound scope.  I don't recommend phase contrast, though the darkfield effect that you can do by setting the condenser to the wrong stop is pretty cool.

If you can get a good deal on a used Zeiss or Olympus that would be good.  If you want a new one, this looks pretty good.  It has kohler illumination and 5 plan objectives:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Compound-Microscope-Kohler-Illumination-Plan-Objectives-/110662377793?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c3fde141#ht_4808wt_1139

Also order a reticle when you get a scope so you can measure spores.

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Re: panaeolus cinctulus and panaeolus ___? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #14132781 - 03/16/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

the samples are all yours if you'd like to take a look alan


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"i know not with what weapons world war three with be fought, but world war four will be fought with sticks and stones."  -albert einstein


Ran-D said:  "Are you ever not hunting somewhere awesome? :shakefist:"

Alan Rockefeller said:  "No.
I have my priorities straight. 
Most people have their priorities totally jacked up and aren't usually hunting for mushrooms.
I don't know what to say to these guys, I am just like....Umm...you are fucked."

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Re: panaeolus cinctulus and panaeolus ___? [Re: adamlivesinCA]
    #14150248 - 03/19/11 07:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i've noticed that panaeolus mushrooms sometimes close up at the bottom kinda like panaeolopsis when they dry. this seems to be particularly true with the smaller ones.  here's a pic of the same pans from the original post after sitting around drying for a few days.  any thoughts about this phenomenon?


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"i know not with what weapons world war three with be fought, but world war four will be fought with sticks and stones."  -albert einstein


Ran-D said:  "Are you ever not hunting somewhere awesome? :shakefist:"

Alan Rockefeller said:  "No.
I have my priorities straight. 
Most people have their priorities totally jacked up and aren't usually hunting for mushrooms.
I don't know what to say to these guys, I am just like....Umm...you are fucked."

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Re: panaeolus cinctulus and panaeolus ___? [Re: adamlivesinCA]
    #14150312 - 03/19/11 07:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yes. When the cap (and particularly the edge) dries, it "pinches" the cap back into the shape it was before it expanded. The younger ones do that more because they have a better "memory" of the un-opened cap shape.:stoned:


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Re: panaeolus cinctulus and panaeolus ___? [Re: Bobzimmer]
    #14150588 - 03/19/11 08:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Bobzimmer said:
Yes. When the cap (and particularly the edge) dries, it "pinches" the cap back into the shape it was before it expanded. The younger ones do that more because they have a better "memory" of the un-opened cap shape.:stoned:




thanks, thats a great explanation. i'm glad i asked.


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"i know not with what weapons world war three with be fought, but world war four will be fought with sticks and stones."  -albert einstein


Ran-D said:  "Are you ever not hunting somewhere awesome? :shakefist:"

Alan Rockefeller said:  "No.
I have my priorities straight. 
Most people have their priorities totally jacked up and aren't usually hunting for mushrooms.
I don't know what to say to these guys, I am just like....Umm...you are fucked."

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