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Re: Terence McKenna was an absolute genius [Re: Cups]
    #14118826 - 03/14/11 11:09 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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He may not have been a fan of buddhism but imminent death does tend to focus one on the present moment. :smile: Buddhism tells you to not even try and understand the universe, just eat your rice.



lol i like that.

i honestly think he just met the wrong monks. most buddhists are very open to knew ideas, and if you ever read zig zag zen Buddhism and Psychedelics, it talks about experientialists dosing monks in the east.

these monks could tell no difference between 3 and 15 hits of acid, because theyre minds were so controlled.

anyways, I like alan watts more for spirituality, but for drugs ill listen to mckenna any day


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Re: Terence McKenna was an absolute genius [Re: Muufokfok]
    #14118918 - 03/14/11 11:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Well I think this review on amazon about that book kinda shows what he was talking about.

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First off, if I could I would rate this book a ZERO. IT IS NOT WORTH YOUR TIME. This book has absolutely NOTHING to do with Buddhism or religion in general. Drugs and other intoxicants will NOT show you enlightenment. The only thing drugs will show you is what it's like to be on drugs. Real enlightenment comes from within. If you're serious about Zen, get a real book on it. Learn just what it was that Guatama Buddha taught. But if you're just looking for an excuse to do drugs, then by all means buy this book. Just don't make false claims that you're being spiritual. Own up to the fact that you have a drug problem.




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Re: Terence McKenna was an absolute genius [Re: Cups]
    #14121233 - 03/14/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

When i was going through a form of spiritual cleansing due to too many mushrooms, Terence McKenna was a very, verrry important voice in my life.  His fingerprints can still be found on many of my ideas although i feel i have moved past him in my own philosophy.


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Re: Terence McKenna was an absolute genius [Re: g00ru]
    #14121362 - 03/14/11 07:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

McKenna was playful.


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Re: Terence McKenna was an absolute genius [Re: The Whale]
    #14121439 - 03/14/11 07:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:tmckenna: is badass


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Re: Terence McKenna was an absolute genius [Re: g00ru]
    #14121867 - 03/14/11 09:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Wow, this thread put me through the ringer, but I'm still all wet.


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Re: Terence McKenna was an absolute genius [Re: g00ru]
    #14122618 - 03/14/11 10:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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i feel i have moved past him in my own philosophy.




Wow.  :congrats:

I don't think terence would have a problem with that. :smile:


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Re: Terence McKenna was an absolute genius [Re: Cups]
    #14122688 - 03/14/11 11:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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i feel i have moved past him in my own philosophy.



same here:strokebeard:


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Re: Terence McKenna was an absolute genius [Re: Muufokfok]
    #14127317 - 03/15/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Pretty sure that was the point TM made on many occasions, to trust your own self and your own understanding, because it is closer to 'the truth' that you'll ever get.

TM and his subjective experience in life just so happened to be with using a lot of psychedelics... more power to him. A true pioneer.

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Re: Terence McKenna was an absolute genius [Re: foliocb]
    #14127779 - 03/15/11 10:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Pretty sure that was the point TM made on many occasions, to trust your own self and your own understanding, because it is closer to 'the truth' that you'll ever get



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Re: Terence McKenna was an absolute genius [Re: circastes]
    #14127927 - 03/15/11 10:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i found alot of truth that aligned with myself in buddhism. i respect that statement, but at some point you gotta realize that by taking an exogenous chemical it affects the thoughts in your mind, at least to some degree.


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Re: Terence McKenna was an absolute genius [Re: Muufokfok]
    #14128034 - 03/15/11 11:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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i found alot of truth that aligned with myself in buddhism. i respect that statement, but at some point you gotta realize that by taking an exogenous chemical it affects the thoughts in your mind, at least to some degree.




Actually, you are always on a 'chemical compound' that affects the thoughts in your mind. Every experience you have in life, no matter how trivial or not, affects the grander scheme of your life. We could then argue that you are always atleast on one drug- DMT. And since any living thing can synthesize DMT, it's gotta make you wonder.

Psilocybin is just one chemical compound different then DMT, so by default it's the closest thing you can take thats closest to this 'life drug'. Mushrooms along with any other psychedelic should only be looked at as a catalyst, something which propels you forward in one direction... and nothing more. I like to think of psilocybin as an extracted, and condensed form of this 'life drug' were all on, which is why so many people(including me) drastically change their lives(usually for the better) after experimenting with these types of drugs. Meditating can have the exact same effect as a psychedelic trip, both can have equal and profound outcomes, or both can have virtually nothing to gain from. Every human being is different when it comes to drugs, and each drug is so very different from each other.

I still think the western world has an obscured and negative connotation to 'drugs'. Which is why even people on this forum like to refer to drugs as 'the dark path' or whatever else... when infact it was them all along, and that they always have been and always will be on drugs :wink:. A lot of aboriginal cultures, including native american cultures still don't have a proper translation for the word 'drug'. They prefer the word 'vision'. I see where they are coming from :sun:


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Re: Terence McKenna was an absolute genius [Re: foliocb]
    #14128153 - 03/15/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

very interesting point you make sir :strokebeard:  :psychsplit:
you made my perception of the "crutch" ween itself to a more natural thing


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Re: Terence McKenna was an absolute genius [Re: Muufokfok]
    #14128297 - 03/15/11 11:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I like McKenna's writings and what he speaks about.
He makes a fair bit of sense, usually without delving into territories of fortune telling, un-evidential claims and nonsense.

That said, I haven't heard enough of his other material to be sure of that, and I am ALWAYS most sceptical of (the way people see) counter culture icons.

I don't like idolization, but I do like teachers.

Sometimes, it feels like people within the psychedelic community either immediately idolize folk like McKenna, or immediately berate him because other people idolize him.  (It's not Terence's fault.. although not all cultural idols can claim that their idolization is no fault of theirs).



My personal favourite of Terence's theories (which has some evidence to back it up, albeit, not widely accepted / looked into yet) is that consciousness may in fact have formed from early human's usage of psychedelics.
We know that early humans used psychedelics, there is plenty of evidence of that.  But, whether that was a catalyst for consciousness... well now, how can we know that?  Surely records only go back as far as a consciousness that was advanced enough to create records goes.....


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Re: Terence McKenna was an absolute genius [Re: ZenXi6]
    #14128608 - 03/16/11 01:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I like McKenna's writings and what he speaks about.
He makes a fair bit of sense, usually without delving into territories of fortune telling, un-evidential claims and nonsense.

That said, I haven't heard enough of his other material to be sure of that, and I am ALWAYS most sceptical of (the way people see) counter culture icons.

I don't like idolization, but I do like teachers.

Sometimes, it feels like people within the psychedelic community either immediately idolize folk like McKenna, or immediately berate him because other people idolize him.  (It's not Terence's fault.. although not all cultural idols can claim that their idolization is no fault of theirs).



My personal favourite of Terence's theories (which has some evidence to back it up, albeit, not widely accepted / looked into yet) is that consciousness may in fact have formed from early human's usage of psychedelics.
We know that early humans used psychedelics, there is plenty of evidence of that.  But, whether that was a catalyst for consciousness... well now, how can we know that?  Surely records only go back as far as a consciousness that was advanced enough to create records goes.....




^^this is the most reasonable answer to the mckenna debate that i have ever heard, its people that become cultish not the teacher.


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Re: Terence McKenna was an absolute genius [Re: monkiman]
    #14128719 - 03/16/11 01:23 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Like I suggested in another thread, we're pretty much tripping on serotonin right now. This is The Serotonin Experience.


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Re: Terence McKenna was an absolute genius [Re: monkiman]
    #14128729 - 03/16/11 01:26 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I like McKenna's writings and what he speaks about.
He makes a fair bit of sense, usually without delving into territories of fortune telling, un-evidential claims and nonsense.

That said, I haven't heard enough of his other material to be sure of that, and I am ALWAYS most sceptical of (the way people see) counter culture icons.

I don't like idolization, but I do like teachers.

Sometimes, it feels like people within the psychedelic community either immediately idolize folk like McKenna, or immediately berate him because other people idolize him.  (It's not Terence's fault.. although not all cultural idols can claim that their idolization is no fault of theirs).



My personal favourite of Terence's theories (which has some evidence to back it up, albeit, not widely accepted / looked into yet) is that consciousness may in fact have formed from early human's usage of psychedelics.
We know that early humans used psychedelics, there is plenty of evidence of that.  But, whether that was a catalyst for consciousness... well now, how can we know that?  Surely records only go back as far as a consciousness that was advanced enough to create records goes.....




^^this is the most reasonable answer to the mckenna debate that i have ever heard, its people that become cultish not the teacher.


McKenna sounds like a cult-leader, though.


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    #14128807 - 03/16/11 01:55 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Anyone with a high intellect surely recognises the genius of McKenna. He was onto everything.


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Re: Terence McKenna was an absolute genius [Re: circastes]
    #14128815 - 03/16/11 01:57 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think he was pretty intelligent, but mostly wildly imaginative. :Awemazing:


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Re: Terence McKenna was an absolute genius [Re: Poid]
    #14128827 - 03/16/11 02:03 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”

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