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Some Questions
    #14122181 - 03/14/11 09:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Hey guys. My first grow didn't go to well. (BRF CAKES)
So this time around I would like to try WBS bulk grow.

I will be using WBS, coir, verm is that all I need?
I would like to give monotub a go. I heard that there isn't really a lot of care needed in monotubs (basically leave it til harvest time)
Is this true?
Where could I find a noob friendly monotub tek?

Also I will be ordering blank syringes to make clones. I'm going to be using ralphstersspores
could anyone tell me which syringes are best and do they also come with needs/caps?

any help would be great

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Re: Some Questions [Re: realcarlos]
    #14122398 - 03/14/11 10:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

What went wrong with your cakes?

See, if you can't do cakes, you should practice with cakes.
No point in stepping up to bulk until you have the skills you need.


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Re: Some Questions [Re: Doc_T]
    #14123082 - 03/15/11 12:17 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I agree with Doc....

BRF cakes are some what easier but if you want to give it a shot then go ahead.....In my opinion, monotubs need some maintenance too....Everything includes some work.  Monitoring moisture etc etc.  I mist and fan my monos too....They too can become too wet or too dry...plus there are more vectors for contamination....My advice is too successfully do BRF cakes first.


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Re: Some Questions [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14123095 - 03/15/11 12:22 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i disagree


in my opinion bulk and monotub's are way easier then cakes...:shrug:

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Re: Some Questions [Re: biologys]
    #14123129 - 03/15/11 12:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Im going to take Bio out back to the woodshed....:box:

It's all opinion with this subject.  When I say "easier", I mean less vectors for contamination...


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Re: Some Questions [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14123141 - 03/15/11 12:31 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

and by the way carlos....I too want to know what went wrong with your BRF cakes?


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Re: Some Questions [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14123151 - 03/15/11 12:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i agree  it is all personal preference, which is why i said in my opinion :-P


i just started my first grow with pf style cakes, and grains at the same time...my grain (popcorn) was fully colonized and spawned before my cakes were even 50 pecent colonized

then after the dunk and roll it was 2 more weeks with grains, and i had already harvested a nice first flush on monotub' and had 2nd coming before i even saw my first fruits


so never looked back at cakes again

even though I'm sitting here right now with a jar full of LC for shiitake i'm thinking about playing around with some bran/sawdust 1/2 pint cakes just to test out my LC and shiitake

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Re: Some Questions [Re: biologys]
    #14123167 - 03/15/11 12:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I agree bio, we're in the same boat....I started off with BRF tek and grains at the same time and I'm having more success with my bulk tubs than my cakes.  All success but Im in love with grains at the moment...


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Re: Some Questions [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14123196 - 03/15/11 12:48 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

yup...still experimenting as well


my last batch of jars yesterday i tried with out soaking my WBS, did the boiling water for 2 hours then strained and pc'd, will see how they go

I used live cultures so hopefully they're hydrated enough to last til colonized

if not i'll be real sad :frown:


also think i added too much gypsum as you can literally see it in the jars haha but i've done that before and it still colonized fine so we shall see..


I'm slowly moving away from cubes, after my current APE and AA+, and keepers creepers are finished I plan on sticking with edibles and will keep trying my atl, jalisco and A strain fruiting, since i can not seem to get that down

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Re: Some Questions [Re: biologys]
    #14123210 - 03/15/11 12:52 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think soaking is the most important part for pre-sterilization.  I also want to move to some edibles....


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Re: Some Questions [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14123222 - 03/15/11 12:55 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

yeah, i've always soaked..I just gave it a try always see people claiming it works fine with out the soak/simmer and since i had the extra agar wedges...I went from spores to agar and i do plenty of dishes to transfer away from contams..and amazingly all dishes grew out clean so i just used them up except for a few that i did some transfers to isolate a bit.

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Re: Some Questions [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14123237 - 03/15/11 01:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

good thing about cakes is not having all your eggs in one basket.

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Re: Some Questions [Re: biologys]
    #14123242 - 03/15/11 01:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah Ive seen alot of people that don't simmer but I don't think Ive read any people not soaking, maybe a couple.....Have to germinate those endospores....


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Re: Some Questions [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14123262 - 03/15/11 01:05 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

well, they claim 2 hours the endospores starts to germinate


and after i rinsed a few times, i poured boiling water over the wbs and let soak for 2 hours..so we shall see lol, if it does work it'll be great to cut down on prep time since i normally soak 24 hours, simmer for 15, then strain for close to 2 hours

this way i can hve completely prepped and loaded ready to pc in less then 3 hours

not much waste since i get 50 lbs of wbs for 9 bucks.

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Re: Some Questions [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14123299 - 03/15/11 01:13 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i never soak my WBS and never have any problems.

my prep is:
measure out the WBS, fill pot with water, pull off floaters, simmer until ~5% of the milo has burst, then i rinse the WBS thoroughly in the sink. let it strain for an hour or so, shaking a few times in between, then i spread it out in a tub and let it air dry, again stirring every now and then, until the exterior of the grain isn't wet.

over the last 2 months i've made 4 masters, G2G'd 2 of those to 24 quart jars. then each jar to 4 quarts of WBS in spawn bags (total of ~124 quarts worth). I've had no contamination so, in my case, my conclusion is the soak is pointless. I PC quart jars for 90 minutes @ 15-20 psi, and I PC my spawn bags for 3 hours at the same pressure.

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Re: Some Questions [Re: DZ]
    #14123509 - 03/15/11 02:15 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i would start with the cakes to get a feel for it. i too took one run with pf and never looked back, went to WBS and still using it lol.

good luck bro, and hit me up if u need any help.

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Re: Some Questions [Re: ShadOWCrack]
    #14125902 - 03/15/11 04:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

thanks guys! for all your help
not sure what exactly went wrong with my brf cakes
could be that;
1) i used bigger jars
2) they seem fully colonzied but weren't
3) when dunked they turned transparent/gooey

what about the syringes guys? does ralph sell syringes that come with needles/caps?
can anyone link me to a good monotub tek?

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Re: Some Questions [Re: realcarlos]
    #14127279 - 03/15/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

#1 will cause #2 and #3.....along with 4, 5, and 6....BRF needs short fat 1/2 pint jars...


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Re: Some Questions [Re: realcarlos]
    #14127318 - 03/15/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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realcarlos said:
thanks guys! for all your help
not sure what exactly went wrong with my brf cakes
could be that;
1) i used bigger jars
2) they seem fully colonzied but weren't
3) when dunked they turned transparent/gooey

what about the syringes guys? does ralph sell syringes that come with needles/caps?
can anyone link me to a good monotub tek?




Sounds like you used Pint jars or larger and experienced contamination. Sounds like bacteria to me :shrug:

Search for Doc34's WBS TEK and Damion's elementary coir TEK. I also have a TEK geared towards noobs that you may find helpful. It details using bird seed and coir. It is in the cakes section of the mushroom cultivation archive, located on the main page of this forum towards the top of the page.


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Re: Some Questions [Re: m00nshine]
    #14127609 - 03/15/11 09:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

thanks i grow i guess i didnt realize that :frown:
thanks moonshine what about a noob friendly guide?

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