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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: durantz]
    #14127326 - 03/15/11 09:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Oh god you're not actually replying to Poid are you? I put him on ignore days ago!!

I like your theory pfxtc. I also came to the conclusion about Everything existing simulatenously.

However I have thought about this longer and I think I may have been too hasty in making this conclusion. The reason being is that this explanation is the only one that makes sense to our consciousness. However, it is a paradox that everything can exist at the same time because it would mean that everything is both nothing and something at the same time. I know you have acknowledged this but I would ask you to meditate on this for a while longer.

This is a very tempting theory for me to subscribe to because I came up with it myself just before Christmas last year. But in the three months since then I have pondered over it daily and I think I was wrong.




I'm trying my hardest :lol:

I refuse to ignore people.

As far as everything happening simultaneously, you're right, it sounds like a bit of a stretch. If such was happening, it would be on a scale I can't really begin to imagine. Of course it sounds like made up bullshit, they're just ramblings from someone who does a lot of drugs, but I think they're interesting views and they seem to make sense, when compared to everything else I implied in the original paragraph. The main backbone of my argument is the susceptibility of time, and how our minds can distort it so easily. It makes me wonder, outside of our consciousness, what it is actually like. I firmly believe we created the whole ordeal :shrug:


@ Poid

I don't have proof for the "everything is happening all the time" theory.

It's an thought based off experience. Like I said.

You're claiming facts as opinions now. "I think" = Opinion. Earlier you said you're not replying with "opinions" Thus, you're contradicting yourself, like I replied earlier.


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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: durantz]
    #14127336 - 03/15/11 09:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Oh god you're not actually replying to Poid are you? I put him on ignore days ago!!




Pussy. Poid's alright he's just enthusiastic...like a squirrel on crack.  Ignoring him is a good way to miss out on him finding a hole in your logic.  This is a good thing.

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durantz said:I like your theory pfxtc. I also came to the conclusion about Everything existing simulatenously.




You aren't the only one.  Time is so weird.  So very weird.


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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: DieCommie]
    #14127337 - 03/15/11 09:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Everything is a hallucination in my standpoint.




Lame.




Why?

Why is it lame? Explain yourself.

Everything we see is the result of electrical impulses being shot off in the brain. Sounds like hallucinations to me. Hallucinogens, as you call them, alter the generators of these signals, thus we are said to be hallucinating, when really, our brains are just interpreting things at a different rate due to various chemical processes.


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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: Cups]
    #14127343 - 03/15/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Oh god you're not actually replying to Poid are you? I put him on ignore days ago!!




Pussy. Poid's alright he's just enthusiastic...like a squirrel on crack.  Ignoring him is a good way to miss out on him finding a hole in your logic.  This is a good thing.

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durantz said:I like your theory pfxtc. I also came to the conclusion about Everything existing simulatenously.




You aren't the only one.  Time is so weird.  So very weird.




I'm just trying to figure out if he's actually interested in the subject, or just trying to upset me.

I'm not upset, just tired :lol:


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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: pfxtc]
    #14127349 - 03/15/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I firmly believe we created the whole ordeal




yeah refer to my PM.

This theory makes sense to a subjective reality. But once you are able to understand that your perception of the universe is subjective you will see the flaw in this theory. It took me 3 months.

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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: pfxtc]
    #14127353 - 03/15/11 09:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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@ Poid

I don't have proof for the "everything is happening all the time" theory.

It's an thought based off experience. Like I said.


Then why present it here? Again, the mystery forum would have been a better place for this. :levitate:


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You're claiming facts as opinions now. "I think" = Opinion.


I said "I don't think that" in response to you asking me if I believe nothing existed before we came into the picture, then I explained that I don't think that because I accept that it's impossible to prove whether or not anything exists "outside" of our perception experimentally; nowhere here did I mention an opinion of mine.


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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: pfxtc]
    #14127355 - 03/15/11 09:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Everything we see is the result of electrical impulses being shot off in the brain. Sounds like hallucinations to me.




Doesnt sound like hallucinations to me.  All electrical signals were not created equal.

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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: DieCommie]
    #14127361 - 03/15/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Everything is a hallucination in my standpoint.




Lame.




Why so lame DieCommie?  Is it the "copout" factor or something else?


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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: DieCommie]
    #14127372 - 03/15/11 09:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Pussy. Poid's alright he's just enthusiastic...like a squirrel on crack.  Ignoring him is a good way to miss out on him finding a hole in your logic.  This is a good thing.




Why do I get done for personalisms and noone else does? Pussy! :P

I'm happy keeping my holes away from Poid thankyou!

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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: DieCommie]
    #14127379 - 03/15/11 09:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Everything we see is the result of electrical impulses being shot off in the brain. Sounds like hallucinations to me.




Doesnt sound like hallucinations to me.  All electrical signals were not created equal.




All a hallucination is is something "away from the ordinary"

You can hallucinate without drugs you know.

Of course all electrical signals are not created equal.

You're really battling semantics.

I could say that nothing is a hallucination, and it would mean exactly the same thing. Would that please you?


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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: Cups]
    #14127381 - 03/15/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Everything is a hallucination in my standpoint.




Lame.




Why so lame DieCommie?  Is it the "copout" factor or something else?




Copout factor for sure.

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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: pfxtc] * 1
    #14127386 - 03/15/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Everything is a hallucination in my standpoint.




Lame.




Why?

Why is it lame? Explain yourself.

Everything we see is the result of electrical impulses being shot off in the brain. Sounds like hallucinations to me.


Is that the definition of 'hallucination'?


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Hallucinogens, as you call them, alter the generators of these signals, thus we are said to be hallucinating, when really, our brains are just interpreting things at a different rate due to various chemical processes.


Hallucination - Wikipedia
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A hallucination, in the broadest sense of the word, is a perception in the absence of a stimulus.



Do you really think hallucinations are the same as ordinary perceptions? Why?


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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: pfxtc]
    #14127397 - 03/15/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I could say that nothing is a hallucination, and it would mean exactly the same thing. Would that please you?




No, that is still just babbling nonsense.


I use Wikipedia for my definitions, I find it is most in tune with the greater populations lexicon.  I like Wikipedia's first sentence "A hallucination, in the broadest sense of the word, is a perception in the absence of a stimulus".  That may be still a bit broader than I like, but its pretty good.

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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: Poid]
    #14127400 - 03/15/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't have proof for the "everything is happening all the time" theory.

It's an thought based off experience. Like I said.


Then why present it here? Again, the mystery forum would have been a better place for this. :levitate:


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You're claiming facts as opinions now. "I think" = Opinion.


I said "I don't think that" in response to you asking me if I believe nothing existed before we came into the picture, then I explained that I don't think that because I accept that it's impossible to prove whether or not anything exists "outside" of our perception experimentally; nowhere here did I mention an opinion of mine.




Well I agree that we can't "prove" that nothing exists outside our singular standpoint. Without us ever breathing, we'd never know anything existed. Is this what you're getting at?

An unborn child does not recognize the Universe.

Who cares?


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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: DieCommie]
    #14127417 - 03/15/11 09:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Everything is a hallucination in my standpoint.




Lame.




Why so lame DieCommie?  Is it the "copout" factor or something else?




Copout factor for sure.




What do you mean "copout" factor?

Anything better then a 1 liner insult will do.

As far as hallucinations are concerned... I really don't know how to put it so you two will understand.

"Reality is an illusion, albeit a very persistent one" - Albert Einstein

We perceive things on a daily basis. In fact, this happens so often, we label such perceptions as normal. Introduce an external stimuli (one that plays on natural chemical processes and ongoing chemical reactions, mind you) and our perception is changed. We no longer view it as normal, but refer to it as a hallucination.

All that's really happened, is the introduction of either an outside or internal stimuli. Nothing else. We're still perceiving, but this new thing has changed what we perceive.

PERSONALLY, this makes me question the nature of what I'm seeing, and if in fact, it's "really" there, "outside" of our own perception. Does that make sense, or am I still a babbling idiot?


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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: DieCommie]
    #14127430 - 03/15/11 09:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Copout factor for sure.




I hear ya.  But isn't..at some point...an assumption involved that the waking consensual reality is "real".  I think that's why movies like the matrix are so creepy.

How would you ever know?


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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: Cups]
    #14127440 - 03/15/11 09:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

So me claiming that I believe consensual reality is an illusion is a cop out?

From what?


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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: Cups]
    #14127451 - 03/15/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

From life.

It's a good coping mechanism for that pointless existence we  were talking about earlier.


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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: Cups]
    #14127471 - 03/15/11 09:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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From life.

It's a good coping mechanism for that pointless existence we  were talking about earlier.




I don't think it's a coping mechanism at all.

What's comforting in the fact that we are going to die and rot forever? I find no comfort in it :shrug:

I don't get what you're saying.

What I'm talking about is outside the realm of human emotion.


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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: pfxtc] * 1
    #14127473 - 03/15/11 09:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't have proof for the "everything is happening all the time" theory.

It's an thought based off experience. Like I said.


Then why present it here? Again, the mystery forum would have been a better place for this. :levitate:


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pfxtc said:
You're claiming facts as opinions now. "I think" = Opinion.


I said "I don't think that" in response to you asking me if I believe nothing existed before we came into the picture, then I explained that I don't think that because I accept that it's impossible to prove whether or not anything exists "outside" of our perception experimentally; nowhere here did I mention an opinion of mine.




Well I agree that we can't "prove" that nothing exists outside our singular standpoint. Without us ever breathing, we'd never know anything existed. Is this what you're getting at?


No, I'm simply saying that there's no way to prove whether or not anything exists "behind" or "outside" our perceptions--all we have is our perceptions to go by, we cannot prove that things exist "behind"/"outside" them because such things would have to be identified via the use of our perceptions; there's no way for us to identify something without the use of our perceptions, which means that we can't identify something as existing "behind"/"outside" our perceptions.


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