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your thoughts on this
    #14126307 - 03/15/11 05:59 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

something i wrote a little while ago, curious what you guys think.

I think therefor I am, -Descartes

We exist, it's been proven. Death exists as well, and I'm fairly certain we don't think while we're dead. This gives a little insight to the power of living and the power of death.

People like to talk about God and religion and the lot of things. People also like to discuss the absence of a God. The problem with such theories is that there always comes a point in which one must ask "but who created God?" or "If there's no God, then what was there before the big bang?"

In my eyes it's relatively simple. The Multiverse that we inhabit has always existed. I say Multiverse because as stars live and die, our Universe is alive, and will one day. Just as we do.

Therefor I've coined a little term, Existence is Infinity. The "space" in which we inhabit has existed forever, and will always exist. time is a complete illusion, and only a means for us to create a little bit or order out of supposed chaos. Everything that could ever happen or has ever happened, is happening, now. Forever.

as Huxley explains in the doors of perception, everything in this Universe is connected. We are capable of seeing or interacting with anything going on anywhere. One must realize that EVERYTHING we see touch or feel is merely how our brains, as the result of evolution catered to survival, is perceiving that. In other words, we see what we need to see to survive in this physical world.

The essence of death is trivial. It seems as if everything recycles itself. We are recycled into the Earth, and we are the result of dead stars, which are the result of something else, which is also the result of something else.

Perception is the law of the Universe. We perceive ourselves to be alive because of the objects around us. Everything is measured aganist light, and we are measured against the physical world. What is the mind measured against? The mind is a byproduct of the physical body. The energies that have flown since the bang flow through our minds. When our body dies and we melt into the dirt, the energy continues to flow. this white light is present in everything.

What sparked the big bang? I can only imagine that our Universe gained life by the death of another being, because that's how I have come to be, and how our planet came to be. Supposed "order" through "chaos". Birth from death. Something... from something. I don't think "nothing" is possible.

So I have come to deduce that life and death are.. the same thing. We are living and dying every moment. The white light, the essence of existence, has been living and dying since, always. There is no beginning or end to existence. Our thoughts live and die, time is an illusion, and existence will continue to dance with infinity.

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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: pfxtc]
    #14126428 - 03/15/11 06:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I personally agree with the idea that everything is happening all the time, and it is our brain that gives the perspective of linear time. My question is this; Can we alter our perception or even interact with the universe on another level ?

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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: Brainstem]
    #14126821 - 03/15/11 07:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I personally agree with the idea that everything is happening all the time, and it is our brain that gives the perspective of linear time. My question is this; Can we alter our perception or even interact with the universe on another level ?




I would think so

if there are "advanced" alien races

I believe they'd probably have been able to somehow delve into this realm.

Kinda like the Tramalfadorfians from Slaughterhouse V


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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: Brainstem]
    #14126971 - 03/15/11 08:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I personally agree with the idea that everything is happening all the time, and it is our brain that gives the perspective of linear time.


Why?


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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: Poid]
    #14127012 - 03/15/11 08:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You ever taken a psychedelic before? Time dissipates. The theory is that drugs (among other things) help you brain allow more information in. Time is just how we perceive things with our brain on "active" mode. Once we lower our defenses, we notice time isn't exactly as stable as we think. Hell, if you travel fast enough, time evaporates completely.


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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: Poid]
    #14127072 - 03/15/11 08:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Because on a conscious level I am prone to believe in that which is merely speculative, and forget that belief is an anticipation of what we think we know. Subconsciously it possibly masks some deep seated fear.

I also think this is something alluded to by T.S.Eliot in the first passage of Burnt Norton, this poem really makes this clear to me.

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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: pfxtc]
    #14127081 - 03/15/11 08:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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You ever taken a psychedelic before? Time dissipates.


Not always; hallucinations are not evidence of anything.


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The theory is that drugs (among other things) help you brain allow more information in.


That's a retarded theory; hallucinogens make you hallucinate and have crazy thoughts, they don't "allow" more information in.


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Time is just how we perceive things with our brain on "active" mode. Once we lower our defenses, we notice time isn't exactly as stable as we think.


What do you mean by "lower our defenses", and what do you mean by "stable"? How is your idea of what time is less stable than other people's?


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Hell, if you travel fast enough, time evaporates completely.


What do you mean by "time evaporates completely"? :undecided:


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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: Poid]
    #14127089 - 03/15/11 08:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

So you're saying time dilation whilst on psychedelics or on an adrenaline rush are just "make believe"?

It's not a retarded theory at all. Read Doors of Perception - you might learn something.

If you travel at fast enough speeds, time dissipates, or comes close. Ever hear of a guy named Einstein?

You must think that what you're seeing right now is actually real. We have no idea what the Universe really looks like.

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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: Brainstem]
    #14127093 - 03/15/11 08:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Because on a conscious level I am prone to believe in that which is merely speculative, and forget that belief is an anticipation of what we think we know. Subconsciously it possibly masks some deep seated fear.


Why do you even believe that, though? What gave you the idea that that's how time really is?


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I also think this is something alluded to by T.S.Eliot in the first passage of Burnt Norton, this poem really makes this clear to me.


You consider a poem to be scientific evidence on the nature of time?


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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: Poid]
    #14127099 - 03/15/11 08:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Time is part of the 4th dimension. It bends as does space.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_dimension


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Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus.

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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: pfxtc]
    #14127141 - 03/15/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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So you're saying time dilation whilst on psychedelics or on an adrenaline rush are just "make believe"?


They're real experiences, but I honestly don't see how a reasonable person can believe in their hallucinations. :nut:


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It's not a retarded theory at all. Read Doors of Perception - you might learn something.


I've read it; Huxley explains a lot of his metaphysical theories, but that doesn't mean they're correct.

Telling me that I might learn something by reading a book is not evidence for your argument--you know this is a debate forum, right?


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If you travel at fast enough speeds, time dissipates, or comes close.


Yes, and according to him, the concept of time depends on the spatial reference frame of the observer, and the human perception as well as the measurement by instruments such as clocks are different for observers in relative motion; something traveling the speed of light will not dissipate time for a human observer.

I don't even understand your point in mentioning that time "dissipates" for things when they travel at a certain speed, how is this at all evidence of your argument?


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You must think that what you're seeing right now is actually real.


How are you defining 'real'?


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We have no idea what the Universe really looks like.


How do you know?


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Time is part of the 4th dimension. It bends as does space.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_dimension


So what?


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: pfxtc]
    #14127144 - 03/15/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Time is part of the 4th dimension. It bends as does space.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_dimension




Then its not an illusion like you originally claimed.

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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: Poid]
    #14127154 - 03/15/11 08:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Are.. you serious?



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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: pfxtc]
    #14127156 - 03/15/11 08:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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etc etc etc

So I have come to deduce that life and death are.. the same thing. We are living and dying every moment. The white light, the essence of existence, has been living and dying since, always. There is no beginning or end to existence. Our thoughts live and die, time is an illusion, and existence will continue to dance with infinity.




So then whats the point of doing anything?


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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: pfxtc]
    #14127169 - 03/15/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Can you actually address what I said?


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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: Poid]
    #14127171 - 03/15/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Because if I don't believe in this, then all is lost. :sad:

This poem may not prove anything, but it gives an insight into the perspective of someone who is considered a great thinker.

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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: Cups]
    #14127172 - 03/15/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Time is part of the 4th dimension. It bends as does space.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_dimension




Then its not an illusion like you originally claimed.




It is an illusion as to how we perceive it, that's what I was getting at.

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etc etc etc

So I have come to deduce that life and death are.. the same thing. We are living and dying every moment. The white light, the essence of existence, has been living and dying since, always. There is no beginning or end to existence. Our thoughts live and die, time is an illusion, and existence will continue to dance with infinity.




So then whats the point of doing anything?




There is no point. Ta-dah.


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    #14127176 - 03/15/11 08:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:thumbup: on the billy madison clip

I've busted that one out IRL many a times..works real good during giggle sessions while tripping...if you can keep it together long enough to finish it. :smile:


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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: pfxtc]
    #14127182 - 03/15/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Because if I don't believe in this, then all is lost. :sad:


I don't understand how you benefit from believing that. :shrug:


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Time is part of the 4th dimension. It bends as does space.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_dimension




Then its not an illusion like you originally claimed.




It is an illusion as to how we perceive it, that's what I was getting at.


And you haven't at all proved that.


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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: Poid]
    #14127191 - 03/15/11 08:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Can you actually address what I said?




Yes I can, but you're disagreeing with EVERY point and statement I make, so there's no point.

You're contradicting yourself with your own replies. I'd rather not engage.

What do you mean "How am I defining what is real?"

Obviously I'm referring to how things are outside of a being's perception, such as ours. How things exist without us to judge them.

You say reading books and quoting others isn't "proof" of anything. No shit. Their called ideas and opinions, often based on one's own experiences.


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