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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: pfxtc]
    #14126835 - 03/15/11 07:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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DMT is bullshit?

what?

Anyway, you can't weight the costs and benefits of something you have no idea of.

That is all.




Millions of people have done it and their experiences and lessons provide valuable insight into the drugged state and its consequences.

It's like you are trying to argue that people shouldn't research the drugs they are going to consume.

Oh, do you think your DMT trips reveal some type of Truth? If you do, then good.  I reject that shit.


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: joemolloy]
    #14126864 - 03/15/11 07:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think any drugs offer Truth, I think that whole "enlightenment" deal is bullshit.

No, I completely agree with researching what you're taking, but as far as how any certain chemical effects YOU, cannot be measured against others.


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: pfxtc]
    #14126901 - 03/15/11 07:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't think any drugs offer Truth, I think that whole "enlightenment" deal is bullshit.





That's a rare(and dangerous) thought around these parts.  :pipesmoke:


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: joemolloy]
    #14126914 - 03/15/11 07:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:lol:

i don't care

i agree with hunter s thompson

all these people running around in a disillusioned haze thinking they can buy enlightenment for $5 a hit

no sir


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Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus.

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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: joemolloy]
    #14127259 - 03/15/11 08:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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pfxtc said:
I don't think any drugs offer Truth, I think that whole "enlightenment" deal is bullshit.





That's a rare(and dangerous) thought around these parts.  :pipesmoke:




mainly because it's wrong


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: pfxtc]
    #14127303 - 03/15/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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That may be true, but any scientific data regarding chemicals varies from person to person. Only true test of knowledge is experience.




I wasn't suggesting that the OP read "scientific data" specifically, but rather read more trip reports, more people's experiences, a bit more about HPPD (which he fears), etc.  HPPD isn't really all that common, although many people (including myself) seem to contract a temporary form of it for a week or two after tripping.

I'm only suggesting that the OP inform himself, weigh the risks, and make an intelligent decision based on his (and our) knowledge.

I feel it's very irresponsible to tell someone who is fearful of HPPD to jump in and take a psychedelic drug.  It seems as this is an express train to a bad trip and could result in worse things.

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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: g00ru]
    #14127316 - 03/15/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Hppd is very rare indeed, I would be interested to see a statistic representing the relative risk per dose/chemical.

I'm in my 30's, many of my friends are in their 40/50's and most are dirty hippies who have been eating psychedelics for most of their lives. I know one person who I may attribute with hppd, and he's not even sure. Plus he's the kind of guy that will eat whatever drug you put in front of him and in any amount, everybody knows someone like that. But they are definitely the exception.

It's a bit like worrying you'll get hooked on opiates after an operation where you receive Morphine etc a couple of times. Highly unlikely. Also a lot of people seem to notice hppd goes away at least partially if you leave drugs alone for a while.

If you go into the trip expecting the worst however you may not enjoy the experience anyway. Read all the trip reports etc where people don't develop hppd. Not trying to persuade you to take anything, just highlighting the realistic risks in terms of hppd. :peace:


EDIT: I basdically agree 100% with Cynosure, he just types faster than me and is more concise!


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: Cynosure]
    #14127466 - 03/15/11 09:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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guruu said:
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joemolloy said:
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pfxtc said:
I don't think any drugs offer Truth, I think that whole "enlightenment" deal is bullshit.





That's a rare(and dangerous) thought around these parts.  :pipesmoke:




mainly because it's wrong




:lol:

And tell me, why is it wrong.

You think little chemicals enlighten people? Fascinating.

PERSONALLY... I think this supposed "enlightenment" actually acts as an inflation tool for one's ego balloon.

If you're gonna call someone wrong, have some damn opinion about it, or just be quiet.
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That may be true, but any scientific data regarding chemicals varies from person to person. Only true test of knowledge is experience.




I wasn't suggesting that the OP read "scientific data" specifically, but rather read more trip reports, more people's experiences, a bit more about HPPD (which he fears), etc.  HPPD isn't really all that common, although many people (including myself) seem to contract a temporary form of it for a week or two after tripping.

I'm only suggesting that the OP inform himself, weigh the risks, and make an intelligent decision based on his (and our) knowledge.

I feel it's very irresponsible to tell someone who is fearful of HPPD to jump in and take a psychedelic drug.  It seems as this is an express train to a bad trip and could result in worse things.

:2cents:




I am completely on the contrary. Yes, do your research, but go into an experiment having a clean and open mind. I didn't hear about HPPD for probably 2 years after I first tripped.


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Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus.

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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: pfxtc]
    #14127509 - 03/15/11 09:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Space out your trips and you'll be fine no changes in vision just perspective. Might feel trippy when you smoke weed.

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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: pfxtc]
    #14127532 - 03/15/11 09:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

they do, to a degree.  On psychedelics consciousness gets altered and you get a much better sense of what consciousness is in the first place. A fish deep in the ocean doesn't know he's in water.  Unless he took something that made the water start to ripple really ridiculously :cool:

and also, I totally believe in spiritual enlightenment, which doesn't have to have anything to do with drugs at all.  Self-realization....knowing who you are.  To me, that is enlightenment, and there are varying degrees to which you can be self realized, or awakened.


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: g00ru]
    #14127582 - 03/15/11 09:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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they do, to a degree.  On psychedelics consciousness gets altered and you get a much better sense of what consciousness is in the first place. A fish deep in the ocean doesn't know he's in water.  Unless he took something that made the water start to ripple really ridiculously :cool:

and also, I totally believe in spiritual enlightenment, which doesn't have to have anything to do with drugs at all.  Self-realization....knowing who you are.  To me, that is enlightenment, and there are varying degrees to which you can be self realized, or awakened.




A fish doesn't know it's in water because it doesn't have much of a brain, if one at all. I'm no biologist :lol:

We're not fish, at least anymore.

I use to study Eastern philosophy a lot until I came across many hypocrisy's. First and foremost is the concept of enlightenment. I believe the very notion of such a thing is ego-driven, which, seems to be quite against the definition of what an "enlightened" being really is.

Sure people are different after trips... but holy and enlightened? No. Especially here at the Shroomery :lol:


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Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus.

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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: pfxtc]
    #14127600 - 03/15/11 09:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

well the fish thing was an analogy, obviously fish aren't that smart

and yeah, drugs don't make you holy

but holiness is out there...



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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: g00ru]
    #14127635 - 03/15/11 09:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Or an illusion of holiness driven by insanity and ego driven desires.

:shrug:

I'm just going off probably a year or Hindu and Buddhist research, and I was quite annoyed with all the hypocrisy's.


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Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus.

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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: pfxtc]
    #14127771 - 03/15/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

ya, well to me that sounds like you're listening to the side of yourself that wants to stay on the farm so to speak. you have to leave the farm. Literally, you must lose your mind.  But if you do it voluntarily, it'll always come back when you need it :rainbowcloud:

sure some buddhists and hindus are hypocrites, it's organized religion. don't let that blind you to the amazing wisdom these traditions hold


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: Canadian Bud] * 1
    #14127785 - 03/15/11 10:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

HPPD is complete bullshit.

Have you ever looked up into the blue sky, and noticed floaters in your vision?

If not, you may be surprised to learn, while on LSD, that they are there. And since they have always been there, I'm afraid they always will be there.

HPPD in a nutshell. Your vision has never been photographic and it never will be. Some people can't get comfortable with this realization, so they complain about it to their doctors and get benzodiazepine prescriptions to deal with the anxiety inherent to their eyeballs not behaving like cameras.

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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: pfxtc]
    #14127862 - 03/15/11 10:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Not wanting to do psychedelics because of fear of HPPD is,

quite frankly,

fucking retarded.



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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14127878 - 03/15/11 10:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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ya, well to me that sounds like you're listening to the side of yourself that wants to stay on the farm so to speak. you have to leave the farm. Literally, you must lose your mind.  But if you do it voluntarily, it'll always come back when you need it :rainbowcloud:

sure some buddhists and hindus are hypocrites, it's organized religion. don't let that blind you to the amazing wisdom these traditions hold




i've lost my mind several times :lol: i've formed my foundation of beliefs through both drug use and study of philosophy and religion,

i probably don't know shit, but i at least know what I don't like :wink:

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HPPD is complete bullshit.

Have you ever looked up into the blue sky, and noticed floaters in your vision?

If not, you may be surprised to learn, while on LSD, that they are there. And since they have always been there, I'm afraid they always will be there.

HPPD in a nutshell. Your vision has never been photographic and it never will be. Some people can't get comfortable with this realization, so they complain about it to their doctors and get benzodiazepine prescriptions to deal with the anxiety inherent to their eyeballs not behaving like cameras.

:2cents:

TAKE ACID




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Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus.

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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: g00ru]
    #14127919 - 03/15/11 10:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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guruu said:
they do, to a degree.  On psychedelics consciousness gets altered and you get a much better sense of what consciousness is in the first place. A fish deep in the ocean doesn't know he's in water.  Unless he took something that made the water start to ripple really ridiculously :cool:

and also, I totally believe in spiritual enlightenment, which doesn't have to have anything to do with drugs at all.  Self-realization....knowing who you are.  To me, that is enlightenment, and there are varying degrees to which you can be self realized, or awakened.




I agree with this. Western spiritual consciousness has a very mistaken interpretation of Enlightenment as being the end of the road, sort of like the Judeo-Christian idea of Heaven. But IMO Enlightenment is something that occurs on a regular basis in all of our lives, and certain practices can enable us to maximize and get the most out of our Enlightenment.

I definitely think that there is a connection between psychedelic drugs and Enlightenment... but it's only kind of like taking a pill which contains secret information.


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14127976 - 03/15/11 10:54 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Tchan909 said:
HPPD is complete bullshit.

Have you ever looked up into the blue sky, and noticed floaters in your vision?

If not, you may be surprised to learn, while on LSD, that they are there. And since they have always been there, I'm afraid they always will be there.

HPPD in a nutshell. Your vision has never been photographic and it never will be. Some people can't get comfortable with this realization, so they complain about it to their doctors and get benzodiazepine prescriptions to deal with the anxiety inherent to their eyeballs not behaving like cameras.

:2cents:

TAKE ACID




I feel like a lot of people exaggerate their symptoms to say that they have HPPD but a few unfortunate souls do have extreme enough visual disturbances to count as an actual disorder... just check out the forum at hppdonline.com for examples.  Usually it goes along with DP/DR (depersonalization/derealization) so they're pretty fucked in general.


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: deCypher]
    #14128011 - 03/15/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i dont believe in inlightenment but i believe they can really help people mentaly- as they have helped me. i was going through a faze where i was preety insecure ( lost my confidence when i stoped bullying kids) and after my first mdma trip i had a whole new outlook on life. it helped me  love life,and just be who i am.

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