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safest psychedelic RC?
    #14126697 - 03/15/11 07:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

hey guys what do you believe is the safest reserch chemical that produces psychedelic effects? ( maby there have been people who have survived heroic amounts of this substance)


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: harrisonbrtn]
    #14126719 - 03/15/11 07:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

psychedelic

write it a hundred times on the board then you can go home


but seriously, I think 4-aco-dmt is pretty safe since it's just acetylated psilocybin.

The 2c-x's can be dangerous but I love 'em :love:


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: Mchaggis]
    #14126880 - 03/15/11 07:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

LSD (physically). People have done huge amounts of acid (see the thumbprints thread).

Psychologically I'd venture to say that 2C-C is the safest. It's a really mild trip and I haven't heard of any freakout stories from it.


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: flaminglawyer]
    #14126919 - 03/15/11 07:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Psilocybin is pretty safe.


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: flaminglawyer]
    #14126956 - 03/15/11 07:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

wow thats great, have you tried 2c-c? are the visuals still good?
that would be great for someones first trip


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: harrisonbrtn]
    #14127638 - 03/15/11 09:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

doc-t and flaminglawyer

he said "RC" as in "research chemical" not whatever you think "RC" means

the 2c-t-x's are the one's that have killed people IIRC


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: Mchaggis]
    #14127652 - 03/15/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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doc-t and flaminglawyer

he said "RC" as in "research chemical" not whatever you think "RC" means

the 2c-t-x's are the one's that have killed people IIRC




How does lsd not count as a research chemical?


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: donteatasians] * 1
    #14127681 - 03/15/11 10:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

don't try and make this a semantics issue. You know what he means by "RC"

"aspirin is a research chemical cuz dey research it and itsa chemical" blah blah blah

if he had psilocybin and lsd he wouldn't be wondering about research chems I imagine


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: Mchaggis]
    #14127685 - 03/15/11 10:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

out of all the people who have taken 2ct7 how many died? I think one and he snorted it and who knows if he had a preexisting condition like a bad ticker or something. I trust reports of deadly stuff like PMA in the 5-10 pill range as that dropped a few people over a couple randoms with unknown doses.

I would consider 2c whatevers pretty safe in knowledgeable hands with a good lab grade scale.

Everything can be dangerous like putting water down the wrong hole and you drown.

I would consider LSD no longer a RC anymore as RC in this context means an available substance bought somewhat kinda legally for research purposes only to the gen pop. LSD is not available like that anymore but it was for years long ago in a galaxy far far away.


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: donteatasians]
    #14127724 - 03/15/11 10:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

well first its a scheduled supstance :smile:

but thanks guys, i think ill just stick it 2c-p for a bit

just wanted to know if there was a RC than was almost imposibble to OD on like lsd

but i know there is not enough reserch on these chemicals to fully know :P


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: argg]
    #14127727 - 03/15/11 10:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I just mentioned that they have been implicated in the deaths of one or two people.

In fact, anything can be safe provided proper precautions, even nuclear power.


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: Mchaggis]
    #14127744 - 03/15/11 10:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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don't try and make this a semantics issue. You know what he means by "RC"

"aspirin is a research chemical cuz dey research it and itsa chemical" blah blah blah

if he had psilocybin and lsd he wouldn't be wondering about research chems I imagine



I wasn't trying to be an ass or start a debate.  I just honestly wondered if mdma and lsd being well established is the reason most don't consider them rc's.


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: donteatasians]
    #14127781 - 03/15/11 10:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I would say that LSD and MDMA, having once been "research chemicals" could now be considered "researched chemicals" ya feel me?


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: Mchaggis]
    #14127795 - 03/15/11 10:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Not 2cp


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: Mchaggis]
    #14127824 - 03/15/11 10:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks, makes enough sense to me. I was just kind of curious.


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: donteatasians]
    #14127920 - 03/15/11 10:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Whoa hold up, if you want safe then 2C-P is not what you're looking for. Have you seen the dosage range on that stuff? There was one report in PiHKAL, dose 16mg, was labeled a "physical disaster, not to be repeated" yet some people don't even get off with 10mg.


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: flaminglawyer]
    #14127981 - 03/15/11 10:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

ya i liked 2c-p because of its such low doses :/ but now im trying to find a one that works in its low doses but will not cause problems if its "overdosed"


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: harrisonbrtn]
    #14128084 - 03/15/11 11:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

then 2c-i is the way to go

5mgs feels like an adderal, 60 mgs (IME) feels like heaven


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: Mchaggis]
    #14128137 - 03/15/11 11:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

2c-b is pretty fuckin fun as well.


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: Divinity]
    #14129174 - 03/16/11 04:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

2c-x

For visuals preferably 2c-e


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: Mchaggis]
    #14129230 - 03/16/11 05:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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if he had psilocybin and lsd was over 18 he wouldn't be wondering about research chems I imagine




Lots of minors grow mushrooms. :shrug:


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14129446 - 03/16/11 07:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

4-xxx-xxx, the psylocin / psylobin analogues.
Different from mushrooms however still safe like mushrooms.


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #14129639 - 03/16/11 09:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think 4-AcO-DMT might be one of the safer ones.


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14129672 - 03/16/11 09:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

well i like to have a variety and am currently sick of eating shrooms :?
but im also older than 18


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: harrisonbrtn]
    #14129694 - 03/16/11 09:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

make yourself some mescalin or dmt instead of fucking with RCs. You can do it. just like everyone else


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: lasdR]
    #14129701 - 03/16/11 09:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What's wrong with RC's?


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    #14129760 - 03/16/11 09:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So ignorant, seriously. Mushrooms and LSD and mescaline aren't some holy pinnacle that can't get any better. They inspired me to try RC's not the other way around. If you have any brain cells left read pihkal and tihkal and you'll see why someone might be inclined to want to experiment with these amazing substances. I'd say the 4 substituted tryptamines appear to be the safest I recently fell in love with 4-AcO-DiPT. Haven't tried the 2C's yet but all phenethylamines become free radicals and do damage to some extent (usually small and unnoticeable if done infrequently, everyone knows an e-tard). The 2C-T compounds kind of scare me due to being able to act as MAO inhibitors along with alpha methylated tryptamines but the N substituted tryptamines like DPT, MET etc don't sound too harmful. In high school people grew and sold shrooms. They were all MINORS. I hope this helps. I'm going to be trying some more very soon but I'm so busy right now I've just been sticking to 4-HO-DiPT and 4-AcO-DiPT because of the short duration and intense yet manageable effects, you won't go too far down the rabbit hole unless you want to.

edit: Aspirin was a research chemical before it was tested. LSD was an RC in the 50's but it's been extensively studied same case with psilocin and mescaline.


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: jellyfish]
    #14130137 - 03/16/11 11:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

2c-e kicks ass visual wise, aco-dmt is another great one if you like shrooms.

uh, safe? what others have said, it's who you are as a person and how responsible you are when dosing.


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    #14130373 - 03/16/11 12:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

2ci seems very safe to me. so does 4-aco-dmt. i treat anything i put in my body with respect though, especially rc's. good scales have been a wise investment for me.


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: millzy]
    #14130456 - 03/16/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Is your name mr-x ?


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: harrisonbrtn]
    #14130913 - 03/16/11 01:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's not impossible it's happened. 3 people who took the highest dose known to be taken by a human. They would have died without medical attention. Research the highest known dose to ever be taken by a human on google crazy shit. Then there was the elephant who I believe was shot with a tranq loaded with 100 milligrams of LSD died in minutes. Sad and unlucky story.


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: Cactilove]
    #14131452 - 03/16/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Rcs are way more difficult and has easier to induce often bad side affects which is not ideal for newcommers. Way easier to get burnt bad with it because of the potency. The long term effects which is not known is proabably not worse than that of the standard substances but who knows. playing with your mind aint free of trouble..


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14131527 - 03/16/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

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if he had psilocybin and lsd was over 18 he wouldn't be wondering about research chems I imagine




Lots of minors grow mushrooms. :shrug:



What?

I don't know who you're trolling, or what your post has to do with anything.

And Jellyfish yeah, thanks for making my point.


Also I think 4-aco-dmt is acetylated psilocin, not psilocybin, as I said earlier.

Potato tomato :shrug:


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: lasdR]
    #14131625 - 03/16/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

honislty lasdR you should try some RC,s
whos to say i havent made dmt.
whose to say i dont have a stash of shrooms

rcs are great :smile:

i feal lsd would lead to a bad trip more often than a rc for me, because the Rcs, i have tried have had little mind efects compared to lsd and such


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: Cactilove]
    #14131777 - 03/16/11 03:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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It's not impossible it's happened. 3 people who took the highest dose known to be taken by a human. They would have died without medical attention. Research the highest known dose to ever be taken by a human on google crazy shit. Then there was the elephant who I believe was shot with a tranq loaded with 100 milligrams of LSD died in minutes. Sad and unlucky story.




I hear everyone quote this stupid thing, but apparently I'm the only person in the world who ever really read "Elephants on acid".

The elphant died of asphyxiation, not the LSD. Now was the asphyxiation caused by the LSD? I dont know, but people asphyxiate without LSD and take LSD without asphyxiating every day, so theres that.

BUT THE LSD DIDNT KILL THE GODDAMN ELEPHANT. Also it was 297mg, and it took over an hour.


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14132011 - 03/16/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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It's not impossible it's happened. 3 people who took the highest dose known to be taken by a human. They would have died without medical attention. Research the highest known dose to ever be taken by a human on google crazy shit. Then there was the elephant who I believe was shot with a tranq loaded with 100 milligrams of LSD died in minutes. Sad and unlucky story.




I hear everyone quote this stupid thing, but apparently I'm the only person in the world who ever really read "Elephants on acid".

The elphant died of asphyxiation, not the LSD. Now was the asphyxiation caused by the LSD? I dont know, but people asphyxiate without LSD and take LSD without asphyxiating every day, so theres that.

BUT THE LSD DIDNT KILL THE GODDAMN ELEPHANT. Also it was 297mg, and it took over an hour.



Great book. Great anecdote too.

The elephant wasn't asphyxiating before the dose so I'd be willing to assume that he did indeed asphyxiate because of the dose. "post hoc" bro


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: flaminglawyer]
    #14132119 - 03/16/11 04:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, but was the elephant a nerd who shows up at parties, smokes a joint, and wonders paranoically if everyone hates him, or does LSD make all elephants choke.

That's what I want to know, and that's my point, they never did conclusive studies on LSD and choking elephants. They should check that out, maybe around hour 6 or 7 the elphant devolves into a wooly mammoth or something.

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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14132390 - 03/16/11 05:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What dude it was fine got shot up. Acted distressed as fuck. Suffocated and shit itself inside out till it died. You think that would of happened any way if they didn't give it that ridiculous amount of acid. If I remember correctly it is possible for a mammals  lung and heart to stop if they are subjected to extreme fear. In this case imagine you injected yourself with say idk 10 milligrams. Now imagine that you just injected 10 times the highest amount recorded to be ingested by any one. The elephant wouldn't know this which may increase or decreas the fear of the elephant cause it had no idea what is happening. You at least have some idea. I have heard a thumbprint is the highest you can get on acid. Idk if this is true but unless you know you can handle a thumbprint you would prolly wouldn't  be a little less anxious. I'm fuckin stoned Fuck it. I would be shitting myself that's what saying maybe even get scared to death literally. Shit I still think even if it was not neurotoxcicity it was still was a major factor in it's death. I don't think it was coincidence


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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14132393 - 03/16/11 05:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

4-HO-MIPT

I once did close to 500mgs over 18 hour period with no ill effects.
20-35 mgs is normal dose with a six hour duration.
It is by far my favorite RC.

VERY predictable and very visual.
Get enough in ya and you will be connected to aliens via multi colored anodized connectors while streaming their unique music directly into your brain.

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Re: safest phycadellic RC? [Re: El Zorro]
    #14133179 - 03/16/11 07:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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4-HO-MIPT

I once did close to 500mgs over 18 hour period with no ill effects.
20-35 mgs is normal dose with a six hour duration.
It is by far my favorite RC.

VERY predictable and very visual.
Get enough in ya and you will be connected to aliens via multi colored anodized connectors while streaming their unique music directly into your brain.

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thank you man :laugh:
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