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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14133734 - 03/16/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The "space" in which we inhabit has existed forever, and will always exist.




You're not concerned that this contradicts the standard cosmological theory of the Big Bang?




No.

I'd say the "Big Bang" isn't unique, in fact I'd say they're quite common place. My "reasoning" is that Man tends to make himself the center of everything. Center of the Universe? Nope. Galaxy? Nope.. well fuck we gotta be center of something, so let's suppose our Universe is all there is.

Unlikely. I like reading on Carl Sagan's views of this issue. There's some good stuff on Pale Blue Dot regarding this subject.




Well, there could be other Universes I suppose, but what the Big Bang theory states is that the space in which we inhabit has NOT existed forever; rather time itself (not to mention space) was created some 13.7 billion years ago.

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You can reduce it to that and at its core its nothing more then a 3 pound blob of neurons but science currently cannot explain or even begin to grasp how consciousness that is aware of its own awareness arises out of the organized neurons and there structures.




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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14134228 - 03/16/11 10:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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You can reduce it to that and at its core its nothing more then a 3 pound blob of neurons but science currently cannot explain or even begin to grasp how consciousness that is aware of its own awareness arises out of the organized neurons and there structures.




The problem humans have is that we are very egocentric and arrogant. Why do you assume that just because our civilization is unable to do this that it must be impossible?

You're basically saying that 'cos we can't do it now it ain't never gonna happen pa! hic hic'

We are truly very primitive creatures. Our technology is pitiful compared to what will come in thousands of years to come.


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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: pfxtc]
    #14134316 - 03/16/11 11:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I agree. I believe that our universe is just part of an ever-expanding Multiverse that goes off to infinity.

Energy flows between universes as they die and are reborn.

We exist in our universe.

Energy is conserved.

And if there's an infinite number of universes, then the concept of "I" or "You" never dies.

Because infinite number of universes = infinite rearrangements. That means that we probably have dopplegangers in other universes, but we are only conscious of one body, as we are grounded in this universe.

Thus, since there could be an infinite number of universes, there is an infinite expanse of time that starts all at different points.

Example to put into perspective: Our universe came about by the big bang. Another universe came into existence one millisecond after ours, and another one millisecond before ours. And this continues onto infinity in both directions.

So, right after we die, it would make sense to me that our identical copy of ourselves in another universe starts up, that is perfectly in-line with us being born because it was formed a specific time after our universe (however long your lifespan is in this universe)

Are we really consciously aware during the first couple years of our lives? No.

It seems somewhat plausible that we just die an infinite number of times, in slightly different ways, and we live slightly different lives in each universe between each death. At least, that's just my opinion. (See: Quantum Immortality theory)


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Re: your thoughts on this [Re: durantz]
    #14136566 - 03/17/11 12:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Well, there could be other Universes I suppose, but what the Big Bang theory states is that the space in which we inhabit has NOT existed forever; rather time itself (not to mention space) was created some 13.7 billion years ago.





Well I think I mentioned this in my original post, but like I said, it seems nearly everything results as the death of something else. Order is the result of chaos, or something along those lines. We're star stuff, as Sagan would say. So my explanation of the Big Bang is that it is just the "order" to something else's "chaos". A birth as the result of a death. Maybe even an evolution.

I'm not scientist though, these are just ideas I've come to through everyday observation and questioning.

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You can reduce it to that and at its core its nothing more then a 3 pound blob of neurons but science currently cannot explain or even begin to grasp how consciousness that is aware of its own awareness arises out of the organized neurons and there structures.




I'm not really arguing that things can in fact be dwindled down to the very nature of their core, but I'm basically just saying that objects exist without our ability to perceive them. Like I said earlier, a chair is a chair is a chair (or at least acknowledge that it's in fact, "there") no matter how our consciousness permits us to see it. Aldous Huxley describes this much more elegantly in Doors of Perception, when he's talking about the roses and of course, the chair. I think this is most obvious when under the influence of drugs or mindfulness.

As far as Quantum Immortality, I'm not sure where I stand. In a truly infinite Multiverse, it would seem to make sense. I'm not sure if I'm putting this right, but as far as "one consciousness" controlling "multiple bodies", I don't really agree with this. I'd say every consciousness and body are quite individual in their time and space. It's hard discerning this however because I can't help but think of time as being linear even if my "theory" is that it is not. It's like Ram Dass' and dealing with Brahman, you can point at an object but you can never truly "identify" the object.


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