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Cannashroom's guide to lipids. * 1
    #14125893 - 03/15/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I just want to set some stuff strait here.  Most people think butter, animal fats, eggs etc are unhealthy because of the animal fats, and I want to blow this myth out of the water for you guys.

I am not going to post studies, or refer to much science, but just common sense.

My personal philosophy for eating is the less processed the better.

Lets take a look at four common cooking fats: Butter, Tallow, Olive oil, and vegetable oil.

To make butter: Milk a cow, skim off the cream, churn it.

To make beef tallow: Kill a cow, cut off fat, render it.

To make olive oil:  Pick olives, press oil.

To make refined vegetable oil:
Pick canola/corn/etc, grind seeds, extract lipid content with hexane, centrifuge to separate layers, treat with strong base and high temperature to deodorize, further damaging the lipids.

Now which of these comes off to you as the "unhealthy" choice?

Next, to the chemistry lesson.  Saturated fats are very stable molecules, they will not react with oxygen when heated.  Polyunsaturated on the other hand will readily react with oxygen to form oxidized lipids.  These are very bad for the body and lead to chronic inflammation, depletion of anti-oxidants like vitamin E, cancer etc.  Saturated fats should be the main source of cooking oils.

And, on top of their chemical instability, most vegetable oils have no other nutrients.

Butter, animal fats, eggs, all have lots of vitamin A, vitamin D, vitamin K2, Co-enzyme Q10, etc.

Ruminants that have grazed on grass for their entire lives will have have omega 3:6 ratios close to the natural 1:1.  Where as most of the veggie oils we use are from 10 to 50:1.

Here is the guide to fats from Weston A price foundation.
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For Cooking

    * Butter [And Ghee!]
    * Tallow and suet from beef and lamb
    * Lard from pigs
    * Chicken, goose and duck fat
    * Coconut, palm and palm kernel oils

For Salads

    * Extra virgin olive oil (also OK for cooking)
    * Expeller-expressed sesame and peanut oils
    * Expeller-expressed flax oil (in small amounts)

For Fat-Soluble Vitamins

    * Fish liver oils such as cod liver oil (preferable to fish oils, which do not provide fat-soluble vitamins, can cause an overdose of unsaturated fatty acids and usually come from farmed fish.)

The following newfangled fats can cause cancer, heart disease, immune system dysfunction, sterility, learning disabilities, growth problems and osteoporosis:

    * All hydrogenated and partially hydrogenated oils
    * Industrially processed liquid oils such as soy, corn, safflower, cottonseed and canola
    * Fats and oils (especially vegetable oils) heated to very high temperatures in processing and frying.




Personally I use coconut oil, and ghee for cooking mostly.  I need to find some good tallow and lard though.

The problem with animal fats is the omega 3:6 ratio from eating grains in feedlots.  Grass fed ruminants and pastured pigs/fowl will all be very healthy choices.

The fat phobia in our society is causing fatty liver disease too!  People avoid fat, and the essential co-factors for using it, like choline) from eggs and liver.  Their bodies still makes the fats, and gets them from other refined sources, but is lacking in the essential co-factors.  After synthesis, fat cannot be exported from the liver and non-alcoholic fatty liver disease can occur.

Eat your animal fats, but try to get them from pastured animals.  Stay away from any processed vegetable oils, some cold pressed oils like olive are great for salads and cold foods though.


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"A human being is part of the whole, called by us 'Universe'; a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest -- a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.

This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

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Edited by Cannashroom (03/15/11 05:44 PM)

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Re: Cannashroom's guide to lipids. [Re: Cannashroom]
    #14125960 - 03/15/11 05:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You copied and pasted from some other website from what it looks like, I'm gonna assume wikipedia like most of the mislead people on the site who bow to it when they lack knowledge. I'm not even going to bother reading it.

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Re: Cannashroom's guide to lipids. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #14126211 - 03/15/11 05:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I said that I took it from the Weston A Price foundation, if you had actually read my post...


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"A human being is part of the whole, called by us 'Universe'; a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest -- a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.

This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

Albert Einstein

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Re: Cannashroom's guide to lipids. [Re: Cannashroom]
    #14126674 - 03/15/11 07:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I agree with everything you said, though I'd add that cold pressed canola oil is very good too. the ratio of o3:o6 is near on perfect.


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Re: Cannashroom's guide to lipids. [Re: Champion des Champignons] * 1
    #14129665 - 03/16/11 09:10 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Anon 1 is obviously a fucktard who can't spend 5 minutes considering some new piece of information or reading the OP. I'm glad you put this up, hopefully it might make some people reconsider their eating habits.

BECAUSE EATING FAT DOES NOT MAKE YOU FAT, NOR DOES EATING CHICKEN TURN YOU INTO A CHICKEN.


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The path the ancients cleared has closed.
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Re: Cannashroom's guide to lipids. [Re: MoxyOx]
    #14129689 - 03/16/11 09:16 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Oh, and I thought I would add this:

I probably eat around 50%+ of my calories from fat, much of that saturated.

I have around 10-12% BF.

I work with lots of people who complain about gaining weight while they eat tons of carbs.  Then they call me crazy when I suggest they should eat more fat instead, so ridiculous.

Everyone "KNOWS" saturated fats are bad, so from that standpoint everything I say is just hogwash.


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"A human being is part of the whole, called by us 'Universe'; a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest -- a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.

This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

Albert Einstein

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