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Re: Drugs that MAKE you schizophrenic [Re: Moronicus]
    #14124906 - 03/15/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

people are born with schizophrenia, with it manifesting from the late teens to mid twenties. excessive drug use may make someone behave in a way similar to a schizophrenic while they're in the throws of a binge, or they may exacerbate latent psychological disorders including schizophrenia, but from what i gather nothing aside from genetics causes the actual illness.


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Re: Drugs that MAKE you schizophrenic [Re: Moronicus]
    #14124915 - 03/15/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I never said it wasn't addictive. I just said that most people don't act like a schizophrenic weirdo when they are on meth.

Maybe before you comment on my post, you should go get addicted to meth, so you could have a clue what you were talking about. :rolleyes:


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Re: Drugs that MAKE you schizophrenic [Re: Moronicus]
    #14124944 - 03/15/11 01:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Do you live in Northern California, Moronicus?

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Re: Drugs that MAKE you schizophrenic [Re: s240779]
    #14125027 - 03/15/11 01:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Mephedrone or mdpv are both very likely candidates. Cheap. Easily available, somewhat like cocaine and both make you fucking insane if you go on a big enough bender.

From what I hear those 2 drugs are all over the place in the states now.. it happened here in the uk over the last few years till they were illegal.. so many people going fucking batshit crazy.. happened to me a few times as well (but normally I would be relatively normal a few days later).


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Re: Drugs that MAKE you schizophrenic [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14125051 - 03/15/11 01:54 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I never said it wasn't addictive. I just said that most people don't act like a schizophrenic weirdo when they are on meth.

Maybe before you comment on my post, you should go get addicted to meth, so you could have a clue what you were talking about. :rolleyes:



That's the funny part, I've experimented with it. I never stole for anything though, my ex did thoughm you can probably guess why she's an ex now. Nice try though. :mypleasure:

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Re: Drugs that MAKE you schizophrenic [Re: thetechnician]
    #14125079 - 03/15/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, high doses of CNS stimulants will definitely make you think/act in ways that appear very schizophrenic.

Some people say it's the sleep deprivation, but my experiences have shown that stimulant psychosis actually begins to take hold before that. Thoughts begin to take very odd shapes and interact with each other in functionally bizarre ways, even if you are still able to maintain your grip on reality.

I think the stimulant psychosis is just exacerbated by sleep deprivation. Your thoughts get more and more sluggish and it becomes harder and harder to keep track of facts and trains of thought and to distinguish them from one another.


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Re: Drugs that MAKE you schizophrenic [Re: pfxtc]
    #14125174 - 03/15/11 02:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Late teens is when schizophrenia is most likely to occur.

Drugs can help facilitate the condition, but most likely it would have appeared anyway. Same story in Syd Barrett's case.




A good friend of mine started dosing acid pretty regularly, well, everyone in our group of friends was at the time. Before the "incident" we began to notice her personality was getting a little whacky.. Nothing drastic, but she began to just not care as much anymore, would stare off in the distance for a long time. But I mean, fuck - I stare off in to the distance, I'm a little whacky, I don't really give a shit too often. It was a sign we all missed, though.

After one very, very bad trip - apparently she thought she was dying and tried to kill herself.. My ex-girlfriend (her best friend) and another buddy were tripping with her at the time and had to actually hold her down until she calmed down a few hours later. A day or two later I go to her house with a friend and we sit and chat for a little bit. Hindsight is 20/20..., I mean, I feel guilty. I noticed something was not right. She was staring blankly, it was just "dark" all around her.. That's all I can think of to describe it. I mean, she would talk the talk and we talked the shit for maybe an hour or two while smoking some weed but there was just something... Something not right.

Later that night, her sister sees her staring blankly in the mirror for at least a half hour. Sometime after this, she gets a knife and attacks her Mom with it. Like literally chases her Mom around the house (her Mom told me she had almost super strength and speed) with a knife. Her sister locks herself in a bathroom and her Mom screams to her to dial 9-1-1. She actually did end up slashing her Mom with the knife a few times because the stupid dumbfuck local police force decided to knock on the door and then wait for the state police arrive before entering. She fell in to a complete psychosis, thought demons were attacking her. She took off all of her clothes and ran outside. It took three police officers to restrain her. An ambulance sent her to the general hospital and from there I don't really know too many details. I assume they put her in a padded room, pumped her full of calming chemicals and such.

The cops in turn tried to press charges on her for attacking her Mom even though, obviously, her Mom did not want this to happen. If these charges would've happened she would have lost her college scholarship and all of her dreams would have effectively been squashed. Luckily, the charges were dropped due to the family shoveling out a shitload of cash for a lawyer. She ended up being diagnosed (I'm not sure the exact diagnosis) but afterwards she was a completely different person.. She found God and began going to church everyday.. Her personality changed.. Stopped all drug intake. I haven't talked to her for about 2 or 3 years now but she is going to college and advancing herself in the world. I wish her the best.

I think this is the first time I ever typed out this whole story on here and don't take it as a high-horse trying to bring you down or anything like that. Just be cautious, know and be aware of the mind and body... Keep an eye out for the signs that somebody may be in a bad spot and try to help them before things go to shit. These drugs are serious business.. They can and will cause people with unknown preexisting conditions to completely lose it. I'm not a doctor by a long shot, I'm just saying to be careful, it happens more than you'd think.

I still dose when I can, I still do a lot of drugs, I still love them.. But I respect the power.


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Re: Drugs that MAKE you schizophrenic [Re: gzuf]
    #14125222 - 03/15/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Mephedrone or mdpv are both very likely candidates. Cheap. Easily available, somewhat like cocaine and both make you fucking insane if you go on a big enough bender.

From what I hear those 2 drugs are all over the place in the states now.. it happened here in the uk over the last few years till they were illegal.. so many people going fucking batshit crazy.. happened to me a few times as well (but normally I would be relatively normal a few days later).




That's what I was thinking.


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Re: Drugs that MAKE you schizophrenic [Re: DrMambo]
    #14125250 - 03/15/11 02:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Are mephedrone and MDPV really more likely to cause stimulant psychosis than meth?


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Re: Drugs that MAKE you schizophrenic [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14125283 - 03/15/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I'm not sure about mephedrone.

MDPV seems like it is probably as likely to cause the psychosis as meth, maybe more.

Staying awake for days from anything really scrambles yer egg.


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Re: Drugs that MAKE you schizophrenic [Re: DrMambo]
    #14125416 - 03/15/11 03:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

personally the worst thing I've witnessed was pcp shit, those shermheads are crazy. I've had friends who had problems from meth and heroin and shit but it usually seems to be a bit more gradual. One of my friends got fucked over by this douchebag who sold him a bunch of weed he laced with pcp, my friend kept smoking it, smoked a shit ton of it, and his friends and workmates started worrying he was going crazy or something, one day he was outside of his church talking to his priest and he just blacked out and woke up to a bunch of cop cars and ambulances. I felt kind of skeptical about it at first but when I talked to him it was obvious he was having some psychological difficulties even long after smoking that sherm. If I ever see the kid who sold it to him as regular weed I'm going to beat the shit out of that fucker


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Re: Drugs that MAKE you schizophrenic [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
    #14125457 - 03/15/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Drugs that MAKE you schizophrenic [Re: Toe_Jam]
    #14125674 - 03/15/11 04:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Adrenochrome exists, but it is not a drug, and does not get you high in any way. Look it up on erowid. Some substances that may help in turning someone... nuts, are datura, PCP, Ketamine, LSD, Mushrooms....





Ah man you then have to throw in Alcohol, Marijuana, even Tobacco and Caffeine even because they all can make me more crazy then just being sober. Sorry but some people are the exception and I don't see why we have to be negative to the positive benefits of drugs in comparison. Nobody every talks about how a wise man or woman took Datura and saw horrible visions of Hell or something monstrous.

PCP and Herion I can't vouch for, but at least all other illegal popular drugs have more positives then negatives. By Heroin I include every drug in the opiate family. I see them as far too dangerously addictive to have any recreational / educational purpose. For pain Cannabis seems to be vasty superior and preferred over Opiates, not to mention healthier.

Ecstasy - extremely useful in trauma therapy, lower class violent citizens psychological change, extreme cases of psychological depression (wait that is what depression is).
Ketamine - sorry can't comment, not enough info not sure where to put it (useful/not useful). Long term addiction looks frightening, would take with extreme caution.
LSD - extremely useful in letting people respect / appreciate nature, possible physic ability, extremely useful in psychology just watch the Shulgin's and you'll understand.
Mushrooms - quite similar to LSD, which is similar to most psychedelic drugs, hence the drug category for them.

Just because most general idiots (sorry have to do that) like Cannabis, Tobacco and Caffeine doesn't mean those are good or the best. They are popular because Cannabis is way too useful to not be used by nearly everyone on the planet earth; strictly in terms of psychological use, health use and even for the peons that actually have time for recreation still; I guess for you.

I consider posting information like this specifically part of my job as an adult to educate people. Oh and it's isn't that fun either. The majority of people, even lots of people that even use drugs is negative, because society (specifically the Federal Government) programmed that bullshit into your head. Do me a favor an look up analytical.

The concept of analytical thought is the most important subject I learned in college and just about the only thing I use on a daily basis and consider the most important aspect of living in this world which is predominately LIES.

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Re: Drugs that MAKE you schizophrenic [Re: iluvfungi]
    #14125699 - 03/15/11 04:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I dont know what it feels like to be schizophrenic... but diphenhydramine is a hell of a wacky drug taken in excess


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Re: Drugs that MAKE you schizophrenic [Re: insomniatic_tripz]
    #14125836 - 03/15/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

A lot of the symptoms people mentioned in this thread totally describe me

my grandmother was bipolar and tons of my family members were depressed

im in my late teens and stare off into space all the time and stop midsentence and shit

i chill with my cat every chance i get so the cat schizo thing is concerning me

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