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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: imachavel]
#14125684 - 03/15/11 04:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You thought wrong.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: Sleepwalker]
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: Sleepwalker]
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: imachavel]
#14125754 - 03/15/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You can't find anything here enlightening. That only speaks to your enlightenment.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: imachavel]
#14125943 - 03/15/11 04:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think you don't really grok enlightenment. For example, my posts reek of enlightenment and apparently you haven't noticed.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: Icelander]
#14126031 - 03/15/11 05:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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enlightenment?!
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: Icelander]
#14126040 - 03/15/11 05:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Imachavel, lead the way. Maybe others will follow your lead.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: ShroomScape]
#14126079 - 03/15/11 05:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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iamchavel, howz about you offer us a definition of enlightenment and the consequent necessary conditions on its emergence in the individual
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: andrewss]
#14126118 - 03/15/11 05:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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There's some quality people in the S&M forum.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: circastes]
#14126127 - 03/15/11 05:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sadism and Masochism?
I'll check it out.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: andrewss]
#14126142 - 03/15/11 05:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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andrewss said: enlightenment?! 
Now now bro, envy is not enlightened.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: imachavel]
#14126447 - 03/15/11 06:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i thought lsd was supposed to enlighten the mind
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: circastes] 2
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: circastes] 1
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: andrewss]
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andrewss said: iamchavel, howz about you offer us a definition of enlightenment and the consequent necessary conditions on its emergence in the individual 
i don't think there is a definition to enlightenment, and that sort of thing kind of ruins the idea anyway don't you think? like saying there is a certain way to paint a painting. i'm not saying you have to paint a painting in a certain way, just saying it'd be nicer to see more people painting paintings instead of talking about other crap like fucking a bitch in the ass or smoking crystal meth or whatever
i mean it's funny sometimes, and the shroomery has ALWAYS been full of it, but just saying a lot of cool members i don't see anymore, who used to frequent here a lot and talk about other things. then again, maybe i just need to stop going to the pub and otd lol
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i thought lsd was supposed to enlighten the mind
Please explain why anyone here is responsible for YOUR false assumption(s).
wait, so you don't find psychedelics to have some enlightening qualities? well, i can see why you came to the shroomery, you are in the right spot to tell people that.
honestly, why did you come to the shroomery?
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: ModularMind]
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ModularMind said: You can't find anything here enlightening. That only speaks to your enlightenment.
i'm more enlightened already
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: imachavel] 3
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My request was straight-forward based on your OP. Ducking just makes you look weak and uncertain.
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andrewss said: iamchavel, howz about you offer us a definition of enlightenment and the consequent necessary conditions on its emergence in the individual 
i don't think there is a definition to enlightenment, and that sort of thing kind of ruins the idea anyway don't you think? like saying there is a certain way to paint a painting. i'm not saying you have to paint a painting in a certain way, just saying it'd be nicer to see more people painting paintings instead of talking about other crap like fucking a bitch in the ass or smoking crystal meth or whatever
i mean it's funny sometimes, and the shroomery has ALWAYS been full of it, but just saying a lot of cool members i don't see anymore, who used to frequent here a lot and talk about other things. then again, maybe i just need to stop going to the pub and otd lol
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: andrewss]
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maybe i just need to stop going to the pub and otd lol
Dude this is not the pub...
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: durantz]
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You don't have to consider psychedelics "enlightening" in order to use them. They're fun.
WTF is "enlightenment" supposed to be, anyway? Magically having all the answers to Life, the Universe, and Everything? Sorry, but no such state exists.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: deCypher]
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circastes said: There's some quality people in the S&M forum.
YOu mean besides you and me?
Oh yeah there's Cups and Ithink and a few others, my bad.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: Icelander]
#14131194 - 03/16/11 01:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Don't forget the Mexican (i.e. me!).
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OrgoneConclusion said: My request was straight-forward based on your OP. Ducking just makes you look weak and uncertain.
My motivations here are irrelevant.
well, i didn't mean to look weak and uncertain. i guess now i'm supposed to understand that i'm supposed to care what you think, and fucking impress you or something, and care that you think i look weak and uncertain. well guess what, lol i don't
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: imachavel]
#14131769 - 03/16/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dude, this is a debate forum...
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: NetDiver]
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Samurai Drifter said: You don't have to consider psychedelics "enlightening" in order to use them. They're fun.
WTF is "enlightenment" supposed to be, anyway? Magically having all the answers to Life, the Universe, and Everything? Sorry, but no such state exists.
how would you know if such a state exists or not? how would anyone know? i mean that's like saying you know what is beyond Pluto. maybe in death a person is enlightened and knows everything, who knows. i mean i don't believe it myself, but i'm not knocking it til i've tried it. and once i'm dead, i can't report back anyway.
and honestly if you like taking psychedelics just because they are fun, that is kind of sad. they get you really fucked up, to appreciate a state like that i'd imagine you'd want to understand SOMEthing about yourself you didn't before. who would want to get THAT fucked up JUST for the hell of it?
but it's your choice
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: Poid]
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Poid said: Dude, this is a debate forum...
hey, as a detective you offered no constructive advice, how can i listen to your advice and trust you now? 
as a debate forum why should people be insulting each other if i just asked a question?
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: imachavel]
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Samurai Drifter said: You don't have to consider psychedelics "enlightening" in order to use them. They're fun.
WTF is "enlightenment" supposed to be, anyway? Magically having all the answers to Life, the Universe, and Everything? Sorry, but no such state exists.
how would you know if such a state exists or not? how would anyone know?
Educated guess much?
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imachavel said: i mean that's like saying you know what is beyond Pluto.
It is quite like it--we know it's highly likely that an "enlightened" state does not exist, similarly to how we know that it's highly likely that asteroids exist beyond Pluto.
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imachavel said: maybe in death a person is enlightened and knows everything, who knows.

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imachavel said: and honestly if you like taking psychedelics just because they are fun, that is kind of sad.
Because we all know how tragic fun is. 
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imachavel said: they get you really fucked up, to appreciate a state like that i'd imagine you'd want to understand SOMEthing about yourself you didn't before. who would want to get THAT fucked up JUST for the hell of it?
Because it feels good, and it's fun--not everyone experiences drugs in the same way, just because you felt "fucked up" on a certain drug doesn't mean that everybody else will.
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Poid said: Dude, this is a debate forum...
hey, as a detective you offered no constructive advice, how can i listen to your advice and trust you now? 
, I hardly participated in that game, and have already expressed how I feel sort of bad about it.
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imachavel said: as a debate forum why should people be insulting each other if i just asked a question?
I didn't see him making any insults, you must be on that new hallucinogenic crack.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: Poid]
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Samurai Drifter said: You don't have to consider psychedelics "enlightening" in order to use them. They're fun.
WTF is "enlightenment" supposed to be, anyway? Magically having all the answers to Life, the Universe, and Everything? Sorry, but no such state exists.
how would you know if such a state exists or not? how would anyone know?
Educated guess much?
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imachavel said: i mean that's like saying you know what is beyond Pluto.
It is quite like it--we know it's highly likely that an "enlightened" state does not exist, similarly to how we know that it's highly likely that asteroids exist beyond Pluto.
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imachavel said: maybe in death a person is enlightened and knows everything, who knows.

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Because we all know how tragic fun is. 
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imachavel said: they get you really fucked up, to appreciate a state like that i'd imagine you'd want to understand SOMEthing about yourself you didn't before. who would want to get THAT fucked up JUST for the hell of it?
Because it feels good, and it's fun--not everyone experiences drugs in the same way, just because you felt "fucked up" on a certain drug doesn't mean that everybody else will.
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Poid said: Dude, this is a debate forum...
hey, as a detective you offered no constructive advice, how can i listen to your advice and trust you now? 
, I hardly participated in that game, and have already expressed how I feel sort of bad about it.
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imachavel said: as a debate forum why should people be insulting each other if i just asked a question?
I didn't see him making any insults, you must be on that new hallucinogenic crack. 
i'm not on any hallucinogenic crack. he said i look insecure and whatever else blah blah i just quoted him
also, there is no BASIC evidence that enlightenment doesn't exist. a guy a long time ago started meditating and said a million times he had reached an enlightened state, his name was sidhartha ghotama, also known as the buddha. what proof do we have that it doesn't exist? what 'likelyness?'
there is none, we have NO idea what happens beyond death, or that there is any cycle of like and death that you can transcend by meditating, or that there ISN'T a cycle of life and death that we can transcend by meditating. we don't know at all in any way shape or form. and who says that enlightenment is a state of knowing everything.
if someone says, "well the gravity on the moon is etc. etc." and you reply "i am enlightened" that means you are now knowing of a subject you didn't know about previously, how is that mean you know everything? also, understand 'enlightened' is an english translation of a word spoken in india, actually long before india, spoken in pali, a language now non existent in india, about as existent as latin is today in the world, known only be few who study it. how do we know what they called 'enlightened' is what they really meant in that language.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: imachavel]
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imachavel said: i'm not on any hallucinogenic crack. he said i look insecure and whatever else blah blah i just quoted him
He said "Ducking just makes you look weak and uncertain", he's just asking you to address him.
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imachavel said: also, there is no BASIC evidence that enlightenment doesn't exist.
Kind of like how there is no basic evidence that humans have souls; it's still most likely a bunch of bullshit, though. 
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imachavel said: a guy a long time ago started meditating and said a million times he had reached an enlightened state, his name was sidhartha ghotama, also known as the buddha. what proof do we have that it doesn't exist? what 'likelyness?'
I'm not sure if there are any reliable historical records on the Buddha's life; we don't have proof that enlightenment doesn't exist, but there is a lot of evidence to suggest that it is an unattainable, imaginary state.
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imachavel said: and who says that enlightenment is a state of knowing everything.
Many.
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imachavel said: how do we know what they called 'enlightened' is what they really meant in that language.
We can use an Indian-English dictionary.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: Poid]
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indian-english dictionary isn't going to translate pali, a language not spoken in india for 3000 years + some. honestly, buddhism in the years has been taken by people and turned into their own definition of it like a million times, nobody knows that when he said enlightenment that translates into knowing everything. no one person can know everything, it's not possible. creativity is infinite.
and i did address him, i wasn't ducking him at all. i should go re read this post, to make sure i addressed 'EVERYTHING' he stated, i was pretty sure i answered him
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i thought lsd was supposed to enlighten the mind
Please explain why anyone here is responsible for YOUR false assumption(s).
no one here is responsible for MY false assumptions. just as no one here is responsible for YOUR false assumptions. enlightenment is a state of mind based on the individual. no one can tell me my assumptions are false, and i'm not even going to be an asshole and tell you your assumptions are false.
it's false to imagine that every person can attain the same thing from a drug. to say that everyone could, or that 'NO ONE' could, is ridiculous. i wouldn't take something like lsd all the time JUST for fun. honestly when a person has taken like 200 hits in just a few years, it changes them, and you can tell.
lsd opened my mind. if i wanted to get fucked up all the time, i wouldn't do it with just something that might possibly cause permanent insanity. maybe some people don't do it all the time, but a lot of people on this forum has stated they might do it once a week or more, which is quite a lot
that's a lot of fun, you know
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: imachavel]
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imachavel said: lsd opened my mind. if i wanted to get fucked up all the time, i wouldn't do it with just something that might possibly cause permanent insanity. maybe some people don't do it all the time, but a lot of people on this forum has stated they might do it once a week or more, which is quite a lot
I would do it everyday until it got old if I had a reliable connection.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: imachavel]
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imachavel said: also, there is no BASIC evidence that enlightenment doesn't exist. a guy a long time ago started meditating and said a million times he had reached an enlightened state, his name was sidhartha ghotama, also known as the buddha. what proof do we have that it doesn't exist? what 'likelyness?'
I think you have totally misunderstood what the Buddha meant by enlightenment, because nowhere does he claim that it's magically having all the answers to life, the Universe, and everything. In fact, Buddhism traditionally takes the position that there are no answers, and you have to be okay with that.
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there is none, we have NO idea what happens beyond death, or that there is any cycle of like and death that you can transcend by meditating, or that there ISN'T a cycle of life and death that we can transcend by meditating. we don't know at all in any way shape or form.
Right, we don't know. All we can ever know is "don't know." An eminent Zen master named Seung Sahn once said "I have no faith in God or my Buddha-nature or anything. You must COMPLETELY lack faith." Hell, many Zen masters have said that there is no enlightenment.
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and who says that enlightenment is a state of knowing everything.
No one. I think it would be much closer to say it's a state of not knowing anything.
In any case, my point is that whatever it might be or not be, it's a far cry from the "revelations" you get from psychedelics. The second you put your faith into any answers or revelations, you have already lost.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: NetDiver]
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imachavel said: also, there is no BASIC evidence that enlightenment doesn't exist. a guy a long time ago started meditating and said a million times he had reached an enlightened state, his name was sidhartha ghotama, also known as the buddha. what proof do we have that it doesn't exist? what 'likelyness?'
I think you have totally misunderstood what the Buddha meant by enlightenment, because nowhere does he claim that it's magically having all the answers to life, the Universe, and everything. In fact, Buddhism traditionally takes the position that there are no answers, and you have to be okay with that.
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there is none, we have NO idea what happens beyond death, or that there is any cycle of like and death that you can transcend by meditating, or that there ISN'T a cycle of life and death that we can transcend by meditating. we don't know at all in any way shape or form.
Right, we don't know. All we can ever know is "don't know." An eminent Zen master named Seung Sahn once said "I have no faith in God or my Buddha-nature or anything. You must COMPLETELY lack faith." Hell, many Zen masters have said that there is no enlightenment.
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and who says that enlightenment is a state of knowing everything.
No one. I think it would be much closer to say it's a state of not knowing anything.
In any case, my point is that whatever it might be or not be, it's a far cry from the "revelations" you get from psychedelics. The second you put your faith into any answers or revelations, you have already lost.
i didn't say it was a state of all knowing, poid did, and i argued with him about that.
i wouldn't say it's a state of NOT knowing AT ALL, but would definitely agree with it being a state of not knowing and being ok with it.
buddhism as explained in vipassana by s.n. goenka, states that enlightenment is simply a state of not craving anything or being averted to anything, no more suffering. I don't know what that has to do with knowing anything or not knowing anything, but at least being ok with what you do or don't know. reaching such a state might SEEM like you know everything, but that it simply does not mean that
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: imachavel]
#14132331 - 03/16/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Enlightenment to me seemed to always have meant the moment you realize happiness is just a state of mind
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: imachavel]
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imachavel said: i didn't say it was a state of all knowing, poid did, and i argued with him about that.
I was just repeating Samurai Drifter's argument.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: imachavel]
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i thought lsd was supposed to enlighten the mind
Please explain why anyone here is responsible for YOUR false assumption(s).
no one here is responsible for MY false assumptions. just as no one here is responsible for YOUR false assumptions. enlightenment is a state of mind based on the individual. no one can tell me my assumptions are false, and i'm not even going to be an asshole and tell you your assumptions are false.
it's false to imagine that every person can attain the same thing from a drug. to say that everyone could, or that 'NO ONE' could, is ridiculous. i wouldn't take something like lsd all the time JUST for fun. honestly when a person has taken like 200 hits in just a few years, it changes them, and you can tell.
lsd opened my mind. if i wanted to get fucked up all the time, i wouldn't do it with just something that might possibly cause permanent insanity. maybe some people don't do it all the time, but a lot of people on this forum has stated they might do it once a week or more, which is quite a lot
that's a lot of fun, you know
Interesting that once again you fail to address the issue.
You come to the false conclusion that LSD is 'supposed to' (WTF that means) lead to some specific mind-state then go on a rant about your erroneous idea as if it was other people's fault for not conforming to your projection.
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You come to the false conclusion that LSD is 'supposed to' (WTF that means) lead to some specific mind-state then go on a rant about your erroneous idea as if it was other people's fault for not conforming to your projection.
Until you said this I actually had no idea what the OP was talking about. But now that you've reworded it for me I have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA!!
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: durantz]
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: imachavel]
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: durantz] 1
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But now that you've reworded it for me I have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA!!
Lemme try.
The OP decided unilaterally that LSD is "supposed" to lead to a certain state of mind. Somehow he decided that this applies universally to everyone. That was his false assumption.
The OP then went on a rant because he doesn't like the fact that not everyone acquires the state of mind he erroneously thinks they're "supposed" to acquire when they take LSD.
As if the fault lies in those not acquiring that fictitious state of mind instead of in the OP for making the erroneous assumptions that everyone should.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: Diploid]
#14139510 - 03/17/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I thought (erroneously) that I wrote that twice already.
I thought (erroneously) that I wrote that twice already.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: Diploid]
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Could be your Andy Garcia-like accent makes you more believable.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said: But now that you've reworded it for me I have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA!!
Lemme try.
The OP decided unilaterally that LSD is "supposed" to lead to a certain state of mind. Somehow he decided that this applies universally to everyone. That was his false assumption.
The OP then went on a rant because he doesn't like the fact that not everyone acquires the state of mind he erroneously thinks they're "supposed" to acquire when they take LSD.
As if the fault lies in those not acquiring that fictitious state of mind instead of in the OP for making the erroneous assumptions that everyone should.
Did I get it right? What did I win?
/jumps up and down awaiting reward
I'm still no closer to working out what was actually going through the mind of the OP!!
It sounds like noone is... :P
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I wanna hear Diploid's voice!
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: durantz]
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durantz said: I'm still no closer to working out what was actually going through the mind of the OP!!
It sounds like noone is... :P
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: imachavel] 1
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the clowns learned how to control things even the shroomery's three ring spiritual circus has become a pratfallen angel's graveyard full of grumpy old men with goalie mask avatars.
all of this because some one laughed at them in the school yard a long time ago.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: Poid]
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I wanna hear Diploid's voice! 
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redgreenvines said: the clowns learned how to control things even the shroomery's three ring spiritual circus has become a pratfallen angel's graveyard full of grumpy old men with goalie mask avatars.
all of this because some one laughed at them in the school yard a long time ago.
I'm going to get you for that. Then steal your paintings and sell them at my garage sale.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: imachavel]
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Actually I'm quite enlightened by LSD. Enlightenment just didn't turn out to look like I (and you it seems) thought it should.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: Icelander]
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: Ferdinando]
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Yeah, it was over 80 degrees two weeks ago here. I get chilled when the temp drops below 70. Brrrrr!
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said: But now that you've reworded it for me I have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA!!
Lemme try.
The OP decided unilaterally that LSD is "supposed" to lead to a certain state of mind. Somehow he decided that this applies universally to everyone. That was his false assumption.
The OP then went on a rant because he doesn't like the fact that not everyone acquires the state of mind he erroneously thinks they're "supposed" to acquire when they take LSD.
As if the fault lies in those not acquiring that fictitious state of mind instead of in the OP for making the erroneous assumptions that everyone should.
Did I get it right? What did I win?
/jumps up and down awaiting reward
you win the award of being a moderator and not even reading the original post, which is pretty smart
honestly i never said lsd leads everyone to enlightened state of mind. if you have an enligthened state of mind, why would you need someone else to confirm this the way orgone conclusion stated? like "i feel enlightened, but someone didn't confirm this and now i don't feel enlightened"
personally, i feel that lsd leads to some feeling enlightened, i've had beautiful trips that seemed so damn enlightening, i couldn't describe them with words. i thought most people tried to participate in such acts to try and get the same thinking. i didn't realize this was my FALSE assumption, as orgone conclusion stated.
i mean sure some people go to cliffs to just jump off and have fun, go parachuting or something, or whatever
but other people go to try and watch the sunset, and see a really cool view of the world, and feel enlightened. then orgone conclusion came on and basically said that since he doesn't try and achieve a state of higher thinking from such acts, that apparently i'm 'falsely assumed' that others do, because he doesn't.
in a way i feel like he posted just to troll the thread. instead of just him saying, 'i don't feel such a way from lsd', he pretty much said no one does, and that therefore it's a false assumption.
but since i can't confirm that he came on here just to troll the thread, because i can't read his mind, and don't know what he thinks, i won't accuse him of such. oh well
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redgreenvines said: the clowns learned how to control things even the shroomery's three ring spiritual circus has become a pratfallen angel's graveyard full of grumpy old men with goalie mask avatars.
all of this because some one laughed at them in the school yard a long time ago.
well, looks like you really understood what i was trying to say 
but anyway, if anyone wants to lock the thread, go ahead, looks like this is going nowhere
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: Icelander]
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I wanna hear Diploid's voice! 
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: imachavel]
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Perhaps you are the one who needs to read EXACTLY what you wrote instead of blaming half the audience for not reading your mind and intuit what you were trying to write. 
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: imachavel]
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in a way i feel like he posted just to troll the thread. instead of just him saying, 'i don't feel such a way from lsd', he pretty much said no one does, and that therefore it's a false assumption.
but since i can't confirm that he came on here just to troll the thread, because i can't read his mind, and don't know what he thinks, i won't accuse him of such. oh well
Well imo it appears obvious that you are calling him a troll but are unwilling to be responsible for calling him one. Other wise you would have kept your mouth shut and never mentioned it. It's really kind of lame imo. Now I really don't know what was in your mind but... I think that's pretty weak.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: Icelander]
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: Ferdinando]
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yes that, and how many trolls can fit on the head of a pin?
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: Poid]
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great one (and it's you)
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you're trolling again.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: Ferdinando]
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: in a way i feel like he posted just to troll the thread. instead of just him saying, 'i don't feel such a way from lsd', he pretty much said no one does, and that therefore it's a false assumption.
but since i can't confirm that he came on here just to troll the thread, because i can't read his mind, and don't know what he thinks, i won't accuse him of such. oh well
Well imo it appears obvious that you are calling him a troll but are unwilling to be responsible for calling him one. Other wise you would have kept your mouth shut and never mentioned it. It's really kind of lame imo. Now I really don't know what was in your mind but... I think that's pretty weak.
honestly i'm tired of shroomery people telling me to keep my mouth shut. check this out dude, go somewhere else if you don't want to read this. i said what i meant to say. and people act like the shroomery isn't a place where people simply read whatever they see and disagree with it right off the bat.
i even offered to let the thread die, or be locked, yet people keep bringing it up over and over again.
and then say what i'm doing is weak? i mean cmon it's pretty weak of you people to contribute nothing to it than just argueing over the same crap over and over again only poid has offered any interesting point of view of such thought of people that consider basic human behavior(e.g. fucking, smoking, drinking, shrooms, want to fuck yoga bunny, chelsea burr showed her tits, uurrgh durr durr urrr ) compared to better topics
the first reply i got, wasn't a reply that was constructive "well, go read these threads instead of these threads", it was just basically "you are pretty weak, misinformed, who said that? you are being pretty lame about what you're saying"
i mean cmon, if you don't agree, why not just post in here and leave it? the fact is shroomery has a lot of people that just like to start arguments and shit, and find it easy on the internet to just straight out make a reply like "that was weak, you are being weak"
this thread really offers no more value, no more positive constructive reading value. so if you want to lock it, go ahead. if you want to continue to post the same replies over again, it's not like anyone can stop you. so far to me only poid has given a fair reply to what i actually said, an actual answer, a statement of what the thinks in reply to my op. everyone else as far as i'm concerned has just stirred up problems.
well...... go ahead i know this isn't finished.......................................
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: Poid]
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: imachavel]
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Icelander said: in a way i feel like he posted just to troll the thread. instead of just him saying, 'i don't feel such a way from lsd', he pretty much said no one does, and that therefore it's a false assumption.
but since i can't confirm that he came on here just to troll the thread, because i can't read his mind, and don't know what he thinks, i won't accuse him of such. oh well
Well imo it appears obvious that you are calling him a troll but are unwilling to be responsible for calling him one. Other wise you would have kept your mouth shut and never mentioned it. It's really kind of lame imo. Now I really don't know what was in your mind but... I think that's pretty weak.
honestly i'm tired of shroomery people telling me to keep my mouth shut. check this out dude, go somewhere else if you don't want to read this. i said what i meant to say. and people act like the shroomery isn't a place where people simply read whatever they see and disagree with it right off the bat.
i even offered to let the thread die, or be locked, yet people keep bringing it up over and over again.
and then say what i'm doing is weak? i mean cmon it's pretty weak of you people to contribute nothing to it than just argueing over the same crap over and over again only poid has offered any interesting point of view of such thought of people that consider basic human behavior(e.g. fucking, smoking, drinking, shrooms, want to fuck yoga bunny, chelsea burr showed her tits, uurrgh durr durr urrr ) compared to better topics
the first reply i got, wasn't a reply that was constructive "well, go read these threads instead of these threads", it was just basically "you are pretty weak, misinformed, who said that? you are being pretty lame about what you're saying"
i mean cmon, if you don't agree, why not just post in here and leave it? the fact is shroomery has a lot of people that just like to start arguments and shit, and find it easy on the internet to just straight out make a reply like "that was weak, you are being weak"
this thread really offers no more value, no more positive constructive reading value. so if you want to lock it, go ahead. if you want to continue to post the same replies over again, it's not like anyone can stop you. so far to me only poid has given a fair reply to what i actually said, an actual answer, a statement of what the thinks in reply to my op. everyone else as far as i'm concerned has just stirred up problems.
well...... go ahead i know this isn't finished.......................................
I think I detect some serious whining.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: Icelander]
#14148125 - 03/19/11 11:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Seriously...
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: Poid]
#14148137 - 03/19/11 12:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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imachavel said: lsd opened my mind. if i wanted to get fucked up all the time, i wouldn't do it with just something that might possibly cause permanent insanity. maybe some people don't do it all the time, but a lot of people on this forum has stated they might do it once a week or more, which is quite a lot
I would do it everyday until it got old if I had a reliable connection. 
I just got a tab last night! Damn, it's been like a year...
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: Icelander]
#14148177 - 03/19/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Did you know that you are 'you people'?
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Yes I am you people.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: imachavel]
#14148200 - 03/19/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i even offered to let the thread die, or be locked, yet people keep bringing it up over and over again.
Yeah, you did everything but answer simple, direct questions pertaining to your OP. I can see where defending your position could be really difficult when all you really wanted to do was vent rather than discuss.
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imachavel =
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: Poid] 1
#14148358 - 03/19/11 01:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Me Poid.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: imachavel]
#14148572 - 03/19/11 02:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dude, your OP was pretty troll-ish in the first place. Meh.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: Poid] 1
#14149345 - 03/19/11 04:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Poid said: imachavel = 
ohh, riighht.
i've been here before 
of course i'm the one whining
well ok
anyway, have fun with your lives, or try to , or whatever
Mod Edit: You know better than to link porn in this forum. Don't do it again.
i don't want to interrupt or anything
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: imachavel]
#14149709 - 03/19/11 05:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You know, I find it ironic that someone whining about people lacking enlightenment would resort to childishly posting porn when a debate doesn't go his way.
It's also off-topic and inappropriate in this forum. If posting porn is your style of debate, then take it to OTD where, again ironically considering your OP edit, that's par for the course.
Consider this your warning.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: Diploid]
#14149922 - 03/19/11 06:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ok thanks
i asked to have the thread locked, no one seemed to notice that. but sure i guess i always step it up a level, for some reason no matter what argument takes place it's always me that takes it to the next level, just above where everyone else always takes.
warning noted, thanks for letting me know
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: imachavel]
#14149975 - 03/19/11 06:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: how about some enlightenment? [Re: imachavel]
#14150460 - 03/19/11 08:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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imachavel said:
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Poid said: imachavel = 
ohh, riighht.
i've been here before 
of course i'm the one whining
well ok
anyway, have fun with your lives, or try to , or whatever
Mod Edit: You know better than to link porn in this forum. Don't do it again.
i don't want to interrupt or anything
I was just jokin', take a chill pill, brah.
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Re: how about some enlightenment? *DELETED* [Re: imachavel]
#14150527 - 03/19/11 08:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: By OP request.
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