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    #14125655 - 03/15/11 04:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

2011 A.D. on the Gregorian clock, a time right now ruling the days of man—a critical time, and man seems well aware of this.
Events around the world, such as the disasters in Japan, are revealing the inherent dilemma of our times. The solution is clear, man needs to evolve—
but he appears to be stuck in a cycle, a wheel of habit, that keeps propagating his dysfunctional behaviors which contribute to the state of world he finds himself today.

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Re: >><< [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #14125667 - 03/15/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The earthquake didn't affect Hawaii. The only thing that's clear is Japan needs Jesus.


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    #14125668 - 03/15/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Has there ever been a time in history when major events were not going on? I don't see anything special in the recent events.

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    #14125676 - 03/15/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think , we are either more aware of shit goin on in the world, or more shit really is goin on in the world. Am really interested to see where we are going to be post-oil society.
IMO i think more shit is going on in the world both good and bad for this planet and humans.

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    #14125696 - 03/15/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Major events on what scale though? Has there ever been a time in human history with a population so high, the rate of resource consumption so frequent as we see today? I mean, the earthquakes and tsunamis are cosmic forces, they happen out of man's control. The nuclear reactor—we built that fucking thing. I guess the central question I am bringing is this: is man prepared for the consequences of his unsustainable actions? And if he isn't, what is it that is keeping him in a cycle of perpetual unsustainable actions?


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Re: >><< [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #14125918 - 03/15/11 04:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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...is man prepared for the consequences of his unsustainable actions? And if he isn't, what is it that is keeping him in a cycle of perpetual unsustainable actions?




Man will be and is addressing these consequences with products of the very unsustainable actions that produced the problems.  So...  I don't think so.  I think we have already seen evidence of this recently.

Man is kept in the cycle by his own choice and its profitability and cost effectiveness.  There is also...  I don't know the word...  Like a saturation of content threshold or something.  Its as if we are cultural creatures of content and the awareness of our mistakes is just beginning to start saturating our everyday experience.  I think there needs to be sufficient awareness of our fault before consciousness will begin to reflect concern and therefore change/action (hopefully) collectively.

Mckenna's time wave zero 'time compression' sequence comes to mind leading up to 2012.:awesurprise:

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    #14126021 - 03/15/11 05:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Evolution is now primarily in the mind. The current problem is most of us live in a state of increasing entropy. Senescence (aging) is an example of this entropy. We are at a point now, at least some of us, where aging will no longer occur. Violence, hatred, anger - these things too are examples of entropy, these things destroy the organism from both the inside and outside. We have the capacity to tear these things out of us by the root however, by simply denying them with the sheer power of our growing will. But most of us don't, we're caught up in the ficticious assumption that civilization is what matters, not us. We think we are mere finite beings headed for oblivion. This is the fundamental error. We are eternal beings and this is all about us. Civilization is a concept, a left-brain creation.

We're all squabbling to fit the terms of civilization and serve its interests, meanwhile our minds and bodies destroy themselves. It's really a nightmare, but you don't have to live in that nightmare. Forget about it. Think about You, You, You and here and now. Everything you'll ever need is waiting inside you for you to find it. You are the great Kingdom of Heaven itself, something far more potent than a pie-in-the-sky civilization.


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Re: >><< [Re: circastes]
    #14126049 - 03/15/11 05:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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We are at a point now, at least some of us, where aging will no longer occur.




what? :confused:


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    #14126065 - 03/15/11 05:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Aging is a mind-created disease. Who cares if no one has survived from history to demonstrate this. History is probably a sham anyway. The whole 'world' is a setup. The institutions, governments, media, what have you are all part of the setup. Our leaders are full of shit, our religions are full of shit, and they even believe their own bullshit.

Serve yourself, serve your experiences on this plane, serve your evolution.


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    #14126076 - 03/15/11 05:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

so if we were really good we'd still be babies?


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    #14126099 - 03/15/11 05:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

There's a difference between growth and aging.


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    #14126153 - 03/15/11 05:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

lol that's true


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    #14128254 - 03/15/11 11:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Aging is a mind-created disease.




So the mind is responsible for the fact that our telomeres progressively shorten with each cellular cycle?  I don't think so; rather that's a natural fact of our own biology.


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    #14128454 - 03/16/11 12:20 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Man is kept in the cycle by his own choice and its profitability and cost effectiveness.




It's interesting that you state profitability and cost effectiveness. It all runs down to the money again. I read a short article yesterday called 'The High Cost of Cheap Meat' where it said

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Americans’ love affair with cheap stuff - all the way to education and airfares - has been one of the biggest roadblocks standing in the way of sustainability. In the same way that consumer culture has moved toward valuing profit over people, it has put profit before nature




Replace Americans with civilization, as all too often the mistake is made blaming people living in the USA of all the ills in the world. We're all in it, and the responsibility is greater the more immersed you are in the money culture.

It's quite tragic really, in this state of consciousness we are in now, we would rather completely obliterate ourselves from the face of this planet than let go of the oil and its byproducts. We are so heavily addicted to that stuff it's crazy. If you really think about it and consider that the whole of humanity may really be suffering from an actual addiction, who's gonna be the doctor? Who will help rehabilitate? When the addict has already sunk so deep down the oil hole, how will he seek the necessary treatment without any outside help?

I think we are standing before our biggest lesson yet. And someday we may look back at this time and make an epic :facepalm: at all the stuff we have done and allowed to go on for so long.

I hope that we reach critical mass soon.


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    #14128540 - 03/16/11 12:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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circastes said:
Aging is a mind-created disease.




So the mind is responsible for the fact that our telomeres progressively shorten with each cellular cycle?  I don't think so; rather that's a natural fact of our own biology.



I thought so too, but it looks like even Reason can create dogma, scientific dogma. In actuality, consciousness can seep into any process.


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    #14133765 - 03/16/11 09:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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it looks like even Reason can create dogma, scientific dogma.




The fact that telomeres progressively shorten with each cellular cycle isn't dogma; instead it's something that has been observed over and over again in the laboratory, like the fact that an object will fall if you let go of it.

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In actuality, consciousness can seep into any process.




OK, well now you're making a different claim than your original, which was that aging (the shorting of telomeres) is caused by the mind... now you're saying that consciousness can affect or reverse this but isn't necessarily the cause.  Which are you arguing for?


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    #14135081 - 03/17/11 02:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Uh, hmm, I didn't really change the argument, just rephrased it.

The statement I'm trying to make is that aging, the physical/biological process, is only an expression of your mind's entropy. I know biologists are probably 100% convinced there are laws 'governing' (forceful and even depressing language) the process, but your body is in your mind... Change your mind, change your body. The laws that appear in studies are just tendencies for the populations they've measured. You are not one of these people.

This is why I keep bringing up the diminishing concept of humanity. We are not united. We are the same mind, but we are not on the same path inside these organisms. Things can drastically change. We are not in the same reality, as the individual minds created by the cosmic mind morph the universe that individual mind is in.

I know it's hard to give up solid science, you can't really argue with it, but you can transcend it's observed limitations. Big time.

I'm aware what I'm saying is either stupid or revolutionary compared to the ordinary understanding of this experience on the street, but you've got to expect that since everything else is under control then science and philosophy regarding it, is too.

Someone on here once said 'reality is your creation.' I second that. This is up to you, you can really start to bend the spoon if you are determined and want to.


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    #14135117 - 03/17/11 02:50 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Well, get back to me if you can observe your cells replicating without their telomeres shortening... you'd make the front page of newspapers everywhere and you'd certainly revolutionize our understanding of biology.


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    #14135125 - 03/17/11 02:52 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I agree circastes but remember while there are things beyond the physical laws of time and space as we are aware of them (in terms of the scientific models), waking reality is still governed by certain rules, like if you eat a lot you get fat. No amount of mind-willing can change that.

I dont think trying to give up on science achieves much, but its certainly possible to "bend the spoon" - but in doing so the people who arent in tune probably wont notice that much. They would just see someone who is staring at a solid object - while the person doing the bending knows there is nothing to be bent so can just do, within their own reality.

Society is a far stretch from reality - its just the average of everyone else's mindsets, which is mainly governed by those in positions of power. Just because people generally agree on a consensus society doesnt make it reality.

Everyone creates their own reality, and part of most peoples reality is assuming that everyone else exists in the same reality as they do, and they often go to extremes to try and protect this belief.


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    #14135560 - 03/17/11 07:37 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Well, get back to me if you can observe your cells replicating without their telomeres shortening... you'd make the front page of newspapers everywhere and you'd certainly revolutionize our understanding of biology.



This is either going to scare you or discredit me, but when I stop thinking and focus, I get these powerful sensations on my skin as if I'm breaking out in sweat, but there is none. My back, especially the spine, has pulses go through it that feel amazing and regenerative. This used to just happen in the sleep paralysis state, but now, it has spilled over into daily life. It will occur this very instant, the moment I pause and look away. Do you think I should master it and then contact a medical faculty?

Interesting lolwut.


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