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OfflineCanadian Bud
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I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this...
    #14125542 - 03/15/11 03:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I know it's a bit redundant, but I have read many stories about hppd. It seems that almost everyone that has tried psychedelics develops some form of this condition... I don't know, any thoughts?


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: Canadian Bud]
    #14125556 - 03/15/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)



Just don't eat alot of acid and you should be hppd free.


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: Canadian Bud]
    #14125562 - 03/15/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If this is something that deeply concerns you, then it might be wise to avoid using psychedelics. Do what you think is best for you. :thumbup:


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: fungivore]
    #14125575 - 03/15/11 03:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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If this is something that deeply concerns you, then it might be wise to avoid using psychedelics. Do what you think is best for you. :thumbup:




Totally worth any risk of some minor afterimages or other minor vision distortions for me.

Psychedelics have been extremely beneficial for me.


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: Canadian Bud] * 1
    #14125587 - 03/15/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14125607 - 03/15/11 03:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Good for you. Its not for everyone... as most things.


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: Canadian Bud]
    #14125641 - 03/15/11 03:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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It seems that almost everyone that has tried psychedelics develops some form of this condition...




Source?  People abusing psychedelics by using them at a great frequency tend to experience visual disturbances for a period after ceasing to trip, and in some cases even a single trip can cause similar effects, but in general the visual disturbances are nowhere near debilitating enough to be classified as a disorder in the case of HPPD.  Moreover the beneficial effects of psychedelics tremendously outweigh the temporary inconvenience of such visual disturbances, if they're even inconvenient in the first place.


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: deCypher]
    #14125775 - 03/15/11 04:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

fuck whats wrong with a little hppd, i fuck with phycs alot and i will only ever notice them if i try (stop and stare at somthing verry hard) and even then its extreamly little,, i trip probaly evey 3 days.


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: harrisonbrtn]
    #14125793 - 03/15/11 04:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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fuck whats wrong with a little hppd, i fuck with phycs alot and i will only ever notice them if i try (stop and stare at somthing verry hard) and even then its extreamly little,, i trip probaly evey 3 days.





oh... you'll settle down when you grow up :wink: every three days is ridiculous. even once a week is pushing it. youll get tired of it very soon. and the magic will be lost.


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: Canadian Bud]
    #14125842 - 03/15/11 04:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Look, HPPD is nothing to be concerned about. The majority of HPPD happens to people who take around 500 doses... 500 blotter papers... 500 drops... You get the point.

One or even ten doses won't get you seeing imaginary things after it wears off... just maybe a day of recollecting your thoughts. Other than that, you're fine.


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: lasdR]
    #14125851 - 03/15/11 04:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

ya i know :P i just switch substances verrry often, all of my friends drink and i would rather trip than drink. also ive been tripping about every week for a year now. i go for like 2 weeks every three days when i have a new substance ;P

(also i smoke dmt) which is a verry short trip  so its not like im doing acid every 3 days


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: harrisonbrtn]
    #14126015 - 03/15/11 05:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I have super HPPD

and its awesome.


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: harrisonbrtn]
    #14126092 - 03/15/11 05:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I agree with many above...  Not for everyone

There is always time later on to try, but would think any fears you have will lead to a negative experience


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: Canadian Bud]
    #14126170 - 03/15/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I know it's a bit redundant, but I have read many stories about hppd. It seems that almost everyone that has tried psychedelics develops some form of this condition... I don't know, any thoughts?




I'm going to have to say that if this is something you are worried about, then maybe you shouldn't be doing psychedelics.

I remember reading this once:

"The hallucinogenic experience is so striking that many subsequent disturbances may be attributed to it without further justification. The highly suggestible or hysterical individual would tend to focus on his LSD experience to explain subsequent illness. Patients have complained to Abramson that their LSD exposure produced migraine headaches and attacks of influenza up to a year later. One Chinese girl became paraplegic and ascribed that catastrophe to LSD. It so happened that these people were all in the control group and had received nothing but tap water."

Basically it indicates that if you are worried about "side effects" then you will most likley attribute every little change in perception you ever have ever again to your drug use and think you have some form of HPPD.


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: Dawks]
    #14126252 - 03/15/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Not wanting to do psychedelics because of fear of HPPD is,

quite frankly,

fucking retarded.


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: pfxtc]
    #14126354 - 03/15/11 06:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I definitely think you need to do some more reading before you jump into the psychedelic world.

I'd rather be well educated on any substances I take as well as all of the known side effects.. and it seems as if you haven't educated yourself enough.  The world is full of information.  Hold off on your first substance and hit the books!


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: Cynosure]
    #14126384 - 03/15/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

That may be true, but any scientific data regarding chemicals varies from person to person. Only true test of knowledge is experience.


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: Canadian Bud]
    #14126544 - 03/15/11 06:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

before i did psychedelics i was so fascinated and interested in them that nothing could hold me back

OP, can you really go your life without that experience? It would be like dying without ever having sex.  All because you were scared by a little visual disturbance...throw your fears to the wind and fucking take a risk, what are trying to preserve anyhow? One day we all die and then your mind goes to shit anyways, you might as well explore it while you an.


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: pfxtc]
    #14126590 - 03/15/11 06:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Not wanting to do psychedelics because of fear of HPPD is,

quite frankly,

fucking retarded.




I think carefully balancing the costs and benefits, trying to determine probabilistic results and unforeseen consequences is the trademark of an intelligent mind.

To the OP, there are real and negative possibilities and outcomes for some who take these drugs.  The experience can also be rewarding and ineffable. I say fuck it and do it.


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: joemolloy]
    #14126638 - 03/15/11 07:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

DMT is bullshit?

what?

Anyway, you can't weight the costs and benefits of something you have no idea of.

That is all.


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Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus.

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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: pfxtc]
    #14126835 - 03/15/11 07:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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DMT is bullshit?

what?

Anyway, you can't weight the costs and benefits of something you have no idea of.

That is all.




Millions of people have done it and their experiences and lessons provide valuable insight into the drugged state and its consequences.

It's like you are trying to argue that people shouldn't research the drugs they are going to consume.

Oh, do you think your DMT trips reveal some type of Truth? If you do, then good.  I reject that shit.


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: joemolloy]
    #14126864 - 03/15/11 07:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think any drugs offer Truth, I think that whole "enlightenment" deal is bullshit.

No, I completely agree with researching what you're taking, but as far as how any certain chemical effects YOU, cannot be measured against others.


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Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus.

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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: pfxtc]
    #14126901 - 03/15/11 07:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't think any drugs offer Truth, I think that whole "enlightenment" deal is bullshit.





That's a rare(and dangerous) thought around these parts.  :pipesmoke:


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: joemolloy]
    #14126914 - 03/15/11 07:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:lol:

i don't care

i agree with hunter s thompson

all these people running around in a disillusioned haze thinking they can buy enlightenment for $5 a hit

no sir


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Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus.

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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: joemolloy]
    #14127259 - 03/15/11 08:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't think any drugs offer Truth, I think that whole "enlightenment" deal is bullshit.





That's a rare(and dangerous) thought around these parts.  :pipesmoke:




mainly because it's wrong


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: pfxtc]
    #14127303 - 03/15/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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That may be true, but any scientific data regarding chemicals varies from person to person. Only true test of knowledge is experience.




I wasn't suggesting that the OP read "scientific data" specifically, but rather read more trip reports, more people's experiences, a bit more about HPPD (which he fears), etc.  HPPD isn't really all that common, although many people (including myself) seem to contract a temporary form of it for a week or two after tripping.

I'm only suggesting that the OP inform himself, weigh the risks, and make an intelligent decision based on his (and our) knowledge.

I feel it's very irresponsible to tell someone who is fearful of HPPD to jump in and take a psychedelic drug.  It seems as this is an express train to a bad trip and could result in worse things.

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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: g00ru]
    #14127316 - 03/15/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hppd is very rare indeed, I would be interested to see a statistic representing the relative risk per dose/chemical.

I'm in my 30's, many of my friends are in their 40/50's and most are dirty hippies who have been eating psychedelics for most of their lives. I know one person who I may attribute with hppd, and he's not even sure. Plus he's the kind of guy that will eat whatever drug you put in front of him and in any amount, everybody knows someone like that. But they are definitely the exception.

It's a bit like worrying you'll get hooked on opiates after an operation where you receive Morphine etc a couple of times. Highly unlikely. Also a lot of people seem to notice hppd goes away at least partially if you leave drugs alone for a while.

If you go into the trip expecting the worst however you may not enjoy the experience anyway. Read all the trip reports etc where people don't develop hppd. Not trying to persuade you to take anything, just highlighting the realistic risks in terms of hppd. :peace:


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: Cynosure]
    #14127466 - 03/15/11 09:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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joemolloy said:
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pfxtc said:
I don't think any drugs offer Truth, I think that whole "enlightenment" deal is bullshit.





That's a rare(and dangerous) thought around these parts.  :pipesmoke:




mainly because it's wrong




:lol:

And tell me, why is it wrong.

You think little chemicals enlighten people? Fascinating.

PERSONALLY... I think this supposed "enlightenment" actually acts as an inflation tool for one's ego balloon.

If you're gonna call someone wrong, have some damn opinion about it, or just be quiet.
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That may be true, but any scientific data regarding chemicals varies from person to person. Only true test of knowledge is experience.




I wasn't suggesting that the OP read "scientific data" specifically, but rather read more trip reports, more people's experiences, a bit more about HPPD (which he fears), etc.  HPPD isn't really all that common, although many people (including myself) seem to contract a temporary form of it for a week or two after tripping.

I'm only suggesting that the OP inform himself, weigh the risks, and make an intelligent decision based on his (and our) knowledge.

I feel it's very irresponsible to tell someone who is fearful of HPPD to jump in and take a psychedelic drug.  It seems as this is an express train to a bad trip and could result in worse things.

:2cents:




I am completely on the contrary. Yes, do your research, but go into an experiment having a clean and open mind. I didn't hear about HPPD for probably 2 years after I first tripped.


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Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus.

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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: pfxtc]
    #14127509 - 03/15/11 09:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Space out your trips and you'll be fine no changes in vision just perspective. Might feel trippy when you smoke weed.


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: pfxtc]
    #14127532 - 03/15/11 09:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

they do, to a degree.  On psychedelics consciousness gets altered and you get a much better sense of what consciousness is in the first place. A fish deep in the ocean doesn't know he's in water.  Unless he took something that made the water start to ripple really ridiculously :cool:

and also, I totally believe in spiritual enlightenment, which doesn't have to have anything to do with drugs at all.  Self-realization....knowing who you are.  To me, that is enlightenment, and there are varying degrees to which you can be self realized, or awakened.


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: g00ru]
    #14127582 - 03/15/11 09:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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they do, to a degree.  On psychedelics consciousness gets altered and you get a much better sense of what consciousness is in the first place. A fish deep in the ocean doesn't know he's in water.  Unless he took something that made the water start to ripple really ridiculously :cool:

and also, I totally believe in spiritual enlightenment, which doesn't have to have anything to do with drugs at all.  Self-realization....knowing who you are.  To me, that is enlightenment, and there are varying degrees to which you can be self realized, or awakened.




A fish doesn't know it's in water because it doesn't have much of a brain, if one at all. I'm no biologist :lol:

We're not fish, at least anymore.

I use to study Eastern philosophy a lot until I came across many hypocrisy's. First and foremost is the concept of enlightenment. I believe the very notion of such a thing is ego-driven, which, seems to be quite against the definition of what an "enlightened" being really is.

Sure people are different after trips... but holy and enlightened? No. Especially here at the Shroomery :lol:


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Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus.

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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: pfxtc]
    #14127600 - 03/15/11 09:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

well the fish thing was an analogy, obviously fish aren't that smart

and yeah, drugs don't make you holy

but holiness is out there...



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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: g00ru]
    #14127635 - 03/15/11 09:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Or an illusion of holiness driven by insanity and ego driven desires.

:shrug:

I'm just going off probably a year or Hindu and Buddhist research, and I was quite annoyed with all the hypocrisy's.


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    #14127771 - 03/15/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

ya, well to me that sounds like you're listening to the side of yourself that wants to stay on the farm so to speak. you have to leave the farm. Literally, you must lose your mind.  But if you do it voluntarily, it'll always come back when you need it :rainbowcloud:

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    #14127785 - 03/15/11 10:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

HPPD is complete bullshit.

Have you ever looked up into the blue sky, and noticed floaters in your vision?

If not, you may be surprised to learn, while on LSD, that they are there. And since they have always been there, I'm afraid they always will be there.

HPPD in a nutshell. Your vision has never been photographic and it never will be. Some people can't get comfortable with this realization, so they complain about it to their doctors and get benzodiazepine prescriptions to deal with the anxiety inherent to their eyeballs not behaving like cameras.

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    #14127862 - 03/15/11 10:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Not wanting to do psychedelics because of fear of HPPD is,

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    #14127878 - 03/15/11 10:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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ya, well to me that sounds like you're listening to the side of yourself that wants to stay on the farm so to speak. you have to leave the farm. Literally, you must lose your mind.  But if you do it voluntarily, it'll always come back when you need it :rainbowcloud:

sure some buddhists and hindus are hypocrites, it's organized religion. don't let that blind you to the amazing wisdom these traditions hold




i've lost my mind several times :lol: i've formed my foundation of beliefs through both drug use and study of philosophy and religion,

i probably don't know shit, but i at least know what I don't like :wink:

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HPPD is complete bullshit.

Have you ever looked up into the blue sky, and noticed floaters in your vision?

If not, you may be surprised to learn, while on LSD, that they are there. And since they have always been there, I'm afraid they always will be there.

HPPD in a nutshell. Your vision has never been photographic and it never will be. Some people can't get comfortable with this realization, so they complain about it to their doctors and get benzodiazepine prescriptions to deal with the anxiety inherent to their eyeballs not behaving like cameras.

:2cents:

TAKE ACID




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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: g00ru]
    #14127919 - 03/15/11 10:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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they do, to a degree.  On psychedelics consciousness gets altered and you get a much better sense of what consciousness is in the first place. A fish deep in the ocean doesn't know he's in water.  Unless he took something that made the water start to ripple really ridiculously :cool:

and also, I totally believe in spiritual enlightenment, which doesn't have to have anything to do with drugs at all.  Self-realization....knowing who you are.  To me, that is enlightenment, and there are varying degrees to which you can be self realized, or awakened.




I agree with this. Western spiritual consciousness has a very mistaken interpretation of Enlightenment as being the end of the road, sort of like the Judeo-Christian idea of Heaven. But IMO Enlightenment is something that occurs on a regular basis in all of our lives, and certain practices can enable us to maximize and get the most out of our Enlightenment.

I definitely think that there is a connection between psychedelic drugs and Enlightenment... but it's only kind of like taking a pill which contains secret information.


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14127976 - 03/15/11 10:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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HPPD is complete bullshit.

Have you ever looked up into the blue sky, and noticed floaters in your vision?

If not, you may be surprised to learn, while on LSD, that they are there. And since they have always been there, I'm afraid they always will be there.

HPPD in a nutshell. Your vision has never been photographic and it never will be. Some people can't get comfortable with this realization, so they complain about it to their doctors and get benzodiazepine prescriptions to deal with the anxiety inherent to their eyeballs not behaving like cameras.

:2cents:

TAKE ACID




I feel like a lot of people exaggerate their symptoms to say that they have HPPD but a few unfortunate souls do have extreme enough visual disturbances to count as an actual disorder... just check out the forum at hppdonline.com for examples.  Usually it goes along with DP/DR (depersonalization/derealization) so they're pretty fucked in general.


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: deCypher]
    #14128011 - 03/15/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i dont believe in inlightenment but i believe they can really help people mentaly- as they have helped me. i was going through a faze where i was preety insecure ( lost my confidence when i stoped bullying kids) and after my first mdma trip i had a whole new outlook on life. it helped me  love life,and just be who i am.


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: deCypher]
    #14128040 - 03/15/11 11:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I had frequent bouts of depersonalization following a year of taking heavy doses of acid and DMT on a regular basis. The depersonalization side, I'll admit, is pretty fucked-up. Like I would touch my bare arm and I would feel it, but I wouldn't really feel it, if you catch my drift, and this is a pretty terrifying experience. This would usually be accompanied by melting scenery, and anytime I smoked weed during this period I'd be caught up in heavy, DMT-style visuals.

But then I stopped abusing psychedelics and started exercising and going into nature more, and it went away.

I can see why somebody might go to a doctor and ask for medication for the sort of shit I experienced... but like I said, I had to take shitloads of psychedelics over a very long period of time to get there, and even then it wasn't like some type of persisting neurological disorder. I was simply having difficulty integrating such a large number of consecutive unintegrated psychedelic experiences. I got over it, and now my vision is pretty solid again, even though I'm back into the habit of taking LSD frequently.


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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14129132 - 03/16/11 04:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

HPPD is bunk science
Never heard of anyone who had it, only heard straight bs stories like the banana boy. I am very interested in some kind of proof for HPPD, does anyone who isn't a :cop: or a noob have any experience with this?
As far as I'm concerned any literature on the subject can be put down as anti-LSD propoganda.
Any personal experience?

*by HPPD I don't mean seeing floaters and trails, but hallucinating to the point where one cannot function in society or has difficulty doing so.

Meanwhile
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Re: I used to want to try psychedelics, then I read about this... [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14129281 - 03/16/11 06:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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. Western spiritual consciousness has a very mistaken interpretation of Enlightenment as being the end of the road, sort of like the Judeo-Christian idea of Heaven. But IMO Enlightenment is something that occurs on a regular basis in all of our lives, and certain practices can enable us to maximize and get the most out of our Enlightenment.





yes, exactly.  You are either awakened or asleep at any given moment in your life.  Are you aware of being here now? Congratulations, you're enlightened :cool:


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    #14130263 - 03/16/11 11:39 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

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HPPD is complete bullshit.

Have you ever looked up into the blue sky, and noticed floaters in your vision?

If not, you may be surprised to learn, while on LSD, that they are there. And since they have always been there, I'm afraid they always will be there.

HPPD in a nutshell. Your vision has never been photographic and it never will be. Some people can't get comfortable with this realization, so they complain about it to their doctors and get benzodiazepine prescriptions to deal with the anxiety inherent to their eyeballs not behaving like cameras.

:2cents:

TAKE ACID




I feel like a lot of people exaggerate their symptoms to say that they have HPPD but a few unfortunate souls do have extreme enough visual disturbances to count as an actual disorder... just check out the forum at hppdonline.com for examples.  Usually it goes along with DP/DR (depersonalization/derealization) so they're pretty fucked in general.




sounds like a minor case of schizophrenia rather then "HPPD"


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    #14130267 - 03/16/11 11:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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. Western spiritual consciousness has a very mistaken interpretation of Enlightenment as being the end of the road, sort of like the Judeo-Christian idea of Heaven. But IMO Enlightenment is something that occurs on a regular basis in all of our lives, and certain practices can enable us to maximize and get the most out of our Enlightenment.





yes, exactly.  You are either awakened or asleep at any given moment in your life.  Are you aware of being here now? Congratulations, you're enlightened :cool:




I'm sorry but that's just a goofy thing to say.

We're always "here"

Mindfulness isn't enlightenment.


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    #14131537 - 03/16/11 02:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ya for many people hppd is hard to notice cause perceptual changes happen so slow. I think I have it. But it isn't constant and it doesn't usually bother me unles I panic. Than I get anxiety which dramatically inreases the effects along with weed that's when the fun really begins. I saw a chair lift off the ground and almost turn completely upside down crazy shit. Just try to control anxiety that's how I cope.


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    #14132379 - 03/16/11 05:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I have very noticable visual disturances that I definatly didn't have/wasn't aware of before taking psychedelics. Psychedelics have been mostly positive for me... but I have experienced a few months of depersonalization after a period of heavy use- and honestly the visual disturbances can be annoying, especially at night when i'm seeing fractal patterns on everything even though i'm stone sober.

I am a happy, healthly, functioning member of society. I've tripped hunderds of times and use psychedelics to this day. The only real negatives I have are some minorly annoying (probably permanant, or at least very long lasting) visual distortions.

I personally don't think it's a huge deal, but if that's enough to deter you than don't use psychedelics because many people I know complain of similar things after using them.


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