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The End to the Drug War...
    #14123554 - 03/15/11 02:36 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The way I see it, the War on Drugs is perpetrated by money first. The cops get paid, the criminals get paid. All the efforts to legalize, to regulate, to end prohibition on the local and national level are all being undermined by the huge source of income known as Drug Prohibition. It practically prints its own money.

The government pays for enforcement of draconian drug laws. As a result, dealers and manufacturers raise prices. They make more money off their addict customers who can't stop using, and when the cops do raids, they take all the money and put it back into enforcement. Thus the cycle perpetrates itself. Not to mention the blatant corruption IN THE POLICE that has been spawned by the huge amount of drug and cash flow.

Now, the solution as it stands is to end prohibition, thereby eliminating the lucrative black market. But the Government profits from the War! Theres no way they will willingly end their money machine. No amount of lobbying, of state level efforts, no level of demonstration and democracy will be able to get the Government to let go of its fistfulls of drug money. Thus, the solution as it stands is a failure.

The road to legalization has been being walked since the 70's, and with little result. Whats to suggest a change in the trend? Instead of trying the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result, why don't we approach this in a different manner?

To end the War on Drugs, first you must end the motivation to wage the war. The motivation here being money. Now, to expect an addict to willingly quit his/her drug of choice is more foolish than to expect it to rain gold nuggets. How then to end the cash flow? Its very simple. The answer lies in high school level economics.

Saturate the market with high quality product. When theres way more product than the consumer can buy, prices drop as surplus builds. Now, in economics this would be a signal to stop production. Lets not do that, lets continue to churn out massive amounts of high quality product as fast as we can.

Drown the War on Drugs in its own worst fears. When you grow or otherwise produce in bulk, its insanely cheap. For instance, I like to boast that with the cost of a quarter oz of weed ($70), I could buy the stuff to grow 3-4 ounces of weed. And not just weed. Opium poppies are easy to grow, so we could flood the domestic heroin market. Some synthetics are stupefyingly easy to home synthesize, and even their precursors can be made without too much equipment and know how. Think of how easy meth is to produce. Just reading what Wiki has to say on mephedrone and methcathinone production hints at its ease, and the vast resources of the internet can fill in the gaps with only a little search and studying.

It can be done, if we are willing. If even a few substances (like the easiest to cheaply implement, weed and opium) were able to be removed from the market in this way, the rest would follow. America and the world should be shown the folly of prohibiting experiencing the mind. Its a failed War, and if we can make it stop paying, we can end it.

The easiest way to support this movement? Repost this thread elsewhere. Then, grab some seeds and your computer, and get to growing!


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Re: The End to the Drug War... [Re: SmokeaJoint]
    #14123912 - 03/15/11 07:12 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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SmokeaJoint said:
To end the War on Drugs, first you must end the motivation to wage the war. The motivation here being money.





the motivation would be a restoration of the freedom of citizens in the US
and the only way we'll achieve that freedom is to take up arms and treat this
drug war as the 'enemy' treats it, just like a real war... or are you unaware
that people are dying and being taken prisoner in this war that only one side
fights, excluding the cartels that also kill mostly civilians

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Re: The End to the Drug War... [Re: SmokeaJoint]
    #14123918 - 03/15/11 07:16 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

my end on the war on drugs is right at the end of this :noose:


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Re: The End to the Drug War... [Re: SmokeaJoint]
    #14123968 - 03/15/11 07:44 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If our society holds up and continues to advance as it has I can't imagine the drug war lasting for more than 30 years from now. It's not fair, but it looks like we'll just have to wait it out.


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Re: The End to the Drug War... [Re: robbyberto]
    #14123987 - 03/15/11 07:51 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If our government is making more money off it from being illegal than if it was legal... game over.

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Re: The End to the Drug War... [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #14124003 - 03/15/11 07:56 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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SmokeaJoint said:
To end the War on Drugs, first you must end the motivation to wage the war. The motivation here being money.





the motivation would be a restoration of the freedom of citizens in the US
and the only way we'll achieve that freedom is to take up arms and treat this
drug war as the 'enemy' treats it, just like a real war... or are you unaware
that people are dying and being taken prisoner in this war that only one side
fights, excluding the cartels that also kill mostly civilians




I don't believe that at all. Violence solves nothing.

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Re: The End to the Drug War... [Re: LoveOverAll]
    #14124009 - 03/15/11 07:57 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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theblackhole said:
Violence solves nothing.





violence solves a great deal more than you may imagine, if it were not for
violence then we'd still be burning witches and loyal subjects of the king

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Re: The End to the Drug War... [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14124014 - 03/15/11 08:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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theblackhole said:
Violence solves nothing.





violence solves a great deal more than you may imagine, if it were not for
violence then we'd still be burning witches and loyal subjects of the king



Then i guess mankind is still in the early stages.

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Re: The End to the Drug War... [Re: SmokeaJoint]
    #14124617 - 03/15/11 11:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The "government" (or, at least, the authorities who are reaping benefits from "drugs" being illegal) really only want to perpetuate the black marker for heroin, crack and meth because of how guaranteed their black market prowess is.

Otherwise that, with regards to drugs like weed and many psychedelics, these "powers that be" would rather they just didn't exist at all. This is especially so because, most often, such drugs are associated with cultural dissidents and, if legal, would divert a lot of power from said authorities and businessmen who rely on people relying on them for various things they could probably do for free or for themselves.

The best thing you can do for ending prohibition is to educate people and explain to them how, even if they don't use drugs, the "drug war" hurts them by causing violence, unregulated black markets and, hereby, funding organized criminals and corrupt officials who would otherwise be fairly penniless.

Weather the end result is violence or a gradual surrender is, essentially, not fully up to you - it's moreover up to the "figureheads" and how they decide to go about addressing the problem in years to come.


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Re: The End to the Drug War... [Re: Remix]
    #14124757 - 03/15/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

So are you saying I should just let my poppies flower out normally and give up on setting up large scale clandestine outdoor grows for the herb? I'm sick of sitting on my ass waiting for the chance to vote drugs out of prohibition and getting nowhere. Its high time to do something, excuse the pun.


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Re: The End to the Drug War... [Re: SmokeaJoint]
    #14124960 - 03/15/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I'm not saying you should do anything. If you want to sell copious amounts of drugs for dirt cheap be my guest.

But the most you'll probably do is get noticed, get arrested and become another drug war martyr. Trust me - as much as the US government creams everytime they spew the phrase "free market capitalism" - they still don't take too kindly to competition.


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Re: The End to the Drug War... [Re: Remix]
    #14124985 - 03/15/11 01:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Thats the truth. I like to think that I'm paranoid enough to avoid notice (I sold drugs for a long time in Tx before moving here, moved a good bit of weight and never got noticed) but I also get that if they wanna find you, they can and will. They being the law and the Government of course.

I can't do shit alone though, not really. Alone, I'd just get caught and locked up. But I'm hoping that it won't just be me. I'm realistic, I get that most won't take on the risk of producing illicit drugs en masse. But theres alot of people connected to the internet, and a percentage of them thinking this is a good idea and they wanna participate, that will make some difference.


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Re: The End to the Drug War... [Re: Remix] * 1
    #14125037 - 03/15/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

the laws of attraction work as so
when the american public starts to see that all this anti drug is actually creating more of the drugs, then we can finally implement some kind of policy like the netherlands have

not wanting drugs = having more drugs

hence

accepting that the drugs are here to stay = less problems with there use

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Re: The End to the Drug War... [Re: Free.Your.Mind]
    #14129276 - 03/16/11 06:26 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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the laws of attraction work as so
when the american public starts to see that all this anti drug is actually creating more of the drugs, then we can finally implement some kind of policy like the netherlands have

not wanting drugs = having more drugs

hence

accepting that the drugs are here to stay = less problems with there use

:awecid:



got my vote.

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Re: The End to the Drug War... [Re: SmokeaJoint]
    #14129299 - 03/16/11 06:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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SmokeaJoint said: I'm sick of sitting on my ass waiting for the chance to vote drugs out of prohibition




You guys gotta stop sitting and go vote.
And talk to people who vote.
Get up off the couch, go make it happen.

Get up, stand up. Stand up for your rights.

We did. :hippie:


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Re: The End to the Drug War... [Re: LoveOverAll]
    #14129309 - 03/16/11 06:46 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Umm. Marijuana is borderline legal in California and several other states under the "medical" anyone who is of age can get it states. You can actually smoke weed in Oakland CA or many other places without fear of police what so ever.

That isn't victory? Oh it needs to be legal so that Marlboro can take over? Fuck that man. I say go medical for all drugs we can. Psychedelic Mushrooms is next on my list for legalization medically. Once we get that one it's all downhill baby.

Maybe we can link crystal meth to homosexuality. Since so many gay people use it. What about biker freedom?

Isn't it a hate crime to not let homosexuals have access to drugs that make sex more pleasureful. Dude if I was gay and someone took my crystal meth away I'd say that was a hate crime for real. Man I can't butt fuck my buddy because I his anus was too tight for me; we require crystal meth to ass fuck.

That isn't me personally, but if you've met gay males, I've met at least one pair that used that drug in specific for better sex.

What about cocaine? Man that is sexual paradise right their. Can't the porno companies push to legalize cocaine? Seriously, if I was a hooker I'd demand cocaine was legal so I could keep on having sex with random dudes and still feel good about myself.

What about human rights here! Meth for homosexuals! Cocaine for hookers!
Herion for people that want to die early or have pain and don't wanna smoke weed!

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Re: The End to the Drug War... [Re: iluvfungi]
    #14148407 - 03/19/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I say go medical for all drugs we can. Psychedelic Mushrooms is next on my list for legalization medically. Once we get that one it's all downhill baby.






Here's how I look at it. If we "go medical" for all the drugs that have a medical application, just think what Big Pharma is gonna pull. Tryst me, Big Pharma does a lot more evil than Big Tobacco with their products, mostly because people feel (mistakenly) that if its medicine, its safe.

Now, we know that weed is pretty safe/non toxic. So no worries there, right. Well, here's what Pharma is gonna do. They're gonna isolate every cannabinoid that has a medical value. Then, they're gonna synthesize these cannabinoids into pill form, call it medicine, and cannabis itself remains illegal. I mean, its not like they sell opium tar to releave pain. They stripped down the poppy to its bare constituents, identified the shit that worked for what they wanted to treat, and began making it in a lab.

So, to me, medical is NOT the way to go. There will still be a black market for drug users, like there is with heroin, even though we have "Medical Opiates". We need this shit legal, decriminalized and available for personal consumption. There's been efforts to get this done since the 70s, and we really haven't gotten anywhere with it. Its time to try something else, and my suggestion warrants cheaper drugs. Not a bad thing if you ask me.


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Re: The End to the Drug War... [Re: SmokeaJoint]
    #14148465 - 03/19/11 01:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Go vote. Every time, vote until you get what you want.


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Re: The End to the Drug War... [Re: Doc_T]
    #14148505 - 03/19/11 01:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah. I am in san francisco and the most shit I have ever got for smoking a blunt is "can I hit that" by street kids.


We live in America. Big pharm is here to stay, and in a capitalist based society big pharm will ALWAYS exist. I love what they've done with street drugs, but what they will do to legal drugs is rather sad.

If you really care, you need to change it at a legal level.

Marijuana, when it becomes legal, will be just like tobacco. Marijuana isn't going to become some standerized drug unless you want it for medical purposes which is a GOOD THING for drugs like MDMA/amphetamine/opiates/hopefully cocaine. People need to know their dose and what they are taking, and hopefully corporations can take over that one day and we can stop fueling this awful violence.


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Re: The End to the Drug War... [Re: Doc_T]
    #14148517 - 03/19/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I would grow herb but I am super  :uhoh: about heat and cops looking for it.


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