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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: German Kahuna]
#14123854 - 03/15/11 06:50 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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The decision to pull out all operators from the plant is not a realistic option.
That's in fact what they seem to be doing right now.
Do you have a source for this? It sounds _extremely_ unlikely. I only know that earlier today, 100 of the 150 remaining workers have been evacuated, leaving a core team of 50 out of the normal staffing of 800 people. My guess is that those 50 will be periodically replaced with 'fresh' operators who haven't received a large dose yet in order to spread the total dose over as many as people as possible. Leaving the plant without any operators seems like a very unlikely decision, because it would mean giving up all means of locally monitoring the progress of events.
It does seem that the control rooms for certain reactors are being evacuated. Usually there are underground control rooms for emergency purposes at a couple of hundred meters' distance of a reactor that are to be used in a situation like this. These underground control rooms offer identical functionality to the normal ones, but offer better protection against radiation to control room personnel. Evacuation of control rooms does not equate total evacuation of the plant area, which I repeat seems unlikely to me.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: BlueJayWay]
#14123858 - 03/15/11 06:53 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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BlueJayWay said: Does this mean sufficient radiation is going to reach the west coast? How likely is that? 
Impossible to tell, but it is likely that the effects of this disaster will be measurable at locations across the globe. That doesn't mean that there is an actual health risk on all of those locations. Keep an eye on the news to see if anything hazardous develops in your area, but at this point, this is not yet the case for US citizens.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: BlueJayWay]
#14123870 - 03/15/11 06:57 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'd say you can probably be happy to live on the other side of a big ocean. Nevertheless, I am still even happier to be living on the opposite side of the World right now. Eating vegetables from your garden and wild mushrooms might be a bit sketchy in the near future. Let me put it this way: if things continue to go south at this rate Hiroshima and Nagasaki won't have been all that bad in retrospective. If there are North-Eastern winds in the next couple of days then the greater Tokyo area will be hit by a stream of deadly radiation. That's the home of 35+ million people.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: koraks]
#14123876 - 03/15/11 06:59 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Radiation fears after Japan blast........... Doses of 200 times more a human can handle.
This is very very bad.....
Right on this time reactor 4 is burning, and they say the wind blows the smoke to the head city in 10 hours.
it is insane... i wish all the people there the best luck they can get.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: koraks]
#14123886 - 03/15/11 07:03 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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The decision to pull out all operators from the plant is not a realistic option.
That's in fact what they seem to be doing right now.
Do you have a source for this? It sounds _extremely_ unlikely. I only know that earlier today, 100 of the 150 remaining workers have been evacuated, leaving a core team of 50 out of the normal staffing of 800 people.
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Die Atomkatastrophe in Japan hat eine neue Dimension erreicht: Nach einem Brand und einer Explosion in der Nacht ist nun die innere Hülle von Reaktor 2 in Fukushima beschädigt. In den Kontrollräumen ist die Radioaktivität nun so hoch, dass die letzten verbliebenen Mitarbeiter dringend abziehen müssen.
"The nuclear disaster in Japan has reached a new dimension: after a fire and an explosion during the night the inner core containment of reactor #2 in Fukushima has been damaged. In the control room the radiation is now so high that the remaining staff must be evacuated urgently."
Der Spiegel Online
Of course it doesn't say whether it is happening or not, but leaving them there wouldn't do much good. Pretty soon they will start dropping like flies anyways. Right now they are dead men walking.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: dshow]
#14123903 - 03/15/11 07:09 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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its peoples stupidity caused this, not god, the meltdown anyway
How do you know? Did god tell you? Did you just assume it was people because you dont believe there is a god??Can you see god? sleepy i want answers...
yeaaaa
god maybe caused the earthquake, but he didn't make anyone build nuclear reactors right on the fukin beach mon.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: German Kahuna]
#14123913 - 03/15/11 07:12 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Of course it doesn't say whether it is happening or not, but leaving them there wouldn't do much good. Pretty soon they will start dropping like flies anyways. Right now they are dead men walking.
No, I wouldn't put it that way, unless you have specific information on where those people have been exactly and about the readings from their personal dosimeters (assuming they all carry one). They run very real risks though, and I wouldn't like to exchange places with any of them.
I know about the high radiation levels in the #2 reactor control room, but that doesn't mean the situation at control rooms 1, 3, 4, 5 and 6 is the same (it most certainly isn't!), let alone other parts of the plant. There is currently no news report in the West available that speaks of total evacuation of the plant, only of one of the control rooms. I reiterate: complete evacuation of the plant is unlikely at this point, regardless of the risk. You say it doesn't do much good to keep those men there, but I highly doubt that assessment. I think it _does_ do good to keep them there to help cool/de-pressurize the reactors. Note that this type of reactor requires human intervention to vent steam, and that periodically needs to be done on at least 3 of the reactors at this point. So withdrawing all personnel doesn't seem like a likely scenario.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: sleepy]
#14123919 - 03/15/11 07:16 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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god created man in his own image, obviously god was a emo
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: German Kahuna]
#14123945 - 03/15/11 07:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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German Kahuna said: I'd say you can probably be happy to live on the other side of a big ocean. Nevertheless, I am still even happier to be living on the opposite side of the World right now. Eating vegetables from your garden and wild mushrooms might be a bit sketchy in the near future. Let me put it this way: if things continue to go south at this rate Hiroshima and Nagasaki won't have been all that bad in retrospective. If there are North-Eastern winds in the next couple of days then the greater Tokyo area will be hit by a stream of deadly radiation. That's the home of 35+ million people.
WTF? "If the wind changes the greater Tokyo area will be hit by a stream of deadly radiation."
You think there is already a stream of deadly radiation being emitted that could pose a real threat of death to 35 million people, and it would take only a wind change to make this worse than Hiroshima?
Where do you get this information from?
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: mm.]
#14123949 - 03/15/11 07:36 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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mm. said: Just heard on SKy News that up to 0.8 mSv/hr has been recorded in Tokyo, this is 7000mSv a year and 2000 times the normal annual dose. I hope they got it wrong and meant micro-Sieverts.
Confirmed this was indeed a mistake and the levels were recorded at 0.8uSv/hr ("around 27x background" according to the source), but the levels have now fallen.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: mm.]
#14123986 - 03/15/11 07:51 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well, I don't mean immediate death, I mean an area inhabited by 35 million people being contaminated with harmful doses of radiation for years to come. What I mean is leukemia and other cancer cases multiplying, children being born with massive malformations like missing or additional limbs, balloon heads, etc.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: mm.]
#14123989 - 03/15/11 07:52 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Another magnitude 6 quake in Japan, 15 minutes ago. Epicenter before the coast of Sendai. /edit: correction, it was a 6.1 just east of Tokyo. The other one was a 5.8, but also during the last hour. Aftershocks...
Radiation levels appear to have dropped by about 50% in Tokyo over the past two hours.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: mm.]
#14123999 - 03/15/11 07:54 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Gilbert Gottfried fired as voice of Aflac duck for tweeting jokes about Japan earthquake... IE What does every Japanese person have in their apartment? Flood lights.. Not very smart when your employee does alot of business there... 
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: mm.]
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its good they fired him, this is not something to joke about.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: henk600]
#14124076 - 03/15/11 08:22 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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everything can be joked about , its just to soon apparently, they need to make a guide or something so people don't loose there jobs like this
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: Brainiac]
#14124081 - 03/15/11 08:25 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Brainiac said: IE What does every Japanese person have in their apartment? Flood lights..
An Aflac spokesperson mentioned that his joke was 'lacking in humor', which I think is a fitting analysis and even more ground to fire his ass than the inappropriateness of the joke. With a calamity at hand with these proportions, and _if_ you feel the need to make some cruel joke, surely a comedian could come up with something better than this.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: makaveli8x8]
#14124172 - 03/15/11 08:53 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: god created man in his own image, obviously god was a emo 
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: LuSiD9]
#14124187 - 03/15/11 08:59 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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US & Japanese military helicopters will attempt to flood the spent fuel pool at the Fukushima I (Dai'ichi) no.4 reactor with water in order to prevent the spent fuel from overheating.
Status at reactors 1, 2 and 3 remains critical, but under control; seawater keeps being pumped into the primary coolant loop. The containment structures of reactors 1 and 3 are still intact, while that of reactor 2 is 'compromised'.
All reactors at Oganawa, Tokai and Fukushima II (Daini) are all stable, and no problems were reported at the Hamaoka plant that is close to the epicenter of the M6 aftershock that happened about an hour ago.
Radioactivity will keep being released periodically and hopefully in a controlled fashion as the overheated reactors need to be vented from time to time to keep the reactor containment structures from bursting.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: Legend]
#14124247 - 03/15/11 09:17 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Olympus Mons said: this thread will go the way of the bp oil spill thread soon enough.
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Re: Magnitude 8.8 Earthquake Hits Japan. [Re: Olympus Mons]
#14124361 - 03/15/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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An American nuclear physicist has stated that all evidence suggests that the containment of Fukushima I reactor 2 is damaged, allowing radioactive materials out of the reactor and into the environment.
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