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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #14118025 - 03/14/11 03:09 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Thank you, sir. (;

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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: Silhouette]
    #14118044 - 03/14/11 03:24 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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http://www.cracked.com/article_17032_7-species-that-get-high-more-than-we-do.html




I wanna get a hold of some of that lichen and those millipedes.

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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: rhave]
    #14118185 - 03/14/11 05:43 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Xben...i see you crossed off shrooms on your list :smile: :mushroom2: congrats


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: afrosheen]
    #14118427 - 03/14/11 08:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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afrosheen said:
reindeer are known to eat liberty caps and cubensis, intentionally.




I've heard Reindeer like to eat the red capped Amanita, I have never heard that they enjoy libs, though it is concievable. However, reindeer live in sub arctic regions.... No cubes.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: Toe_Jam]
    #14119150 - 03/14/11 12:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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E-in Liondragon said:
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afrosheen said:
reindeer are known to eat liberty caps and cubensis, intentionally.




I've heard Reindeer like to eat the red capped Amanita, I have never heard that they enjoy libs, though it is concievable. However, reindeer live in sub arctic regions.... No cubes.




Yeah that was my bad, I knew it was a red-capped mushroom. You're right about the Amanita.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: Toe_Jam]
    #14119213 - 03/14/11 12:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Theory 1
Mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin as a defencive compound to affect digestive system of animals who happen to eat them. Those molecules are very similar to serotonin. On wikipedia I found this:
The gut is surrounded by enterochromaffin cells, which release serotonin in response to food in the lumen. This makes the gut contract around the food. Platelets in the veins draining the gut collect excess serotonin.
If irritants are present in the food, the enterochromaffin cells release more serotonin to make the gut move faster, i.e., to cause diarrhea, so that the gut is emptied of the noxious substance. If serotonin is released in the blood faster than the platelets can absorb it, the level of free serotonin in the blood is increased. This activates 5HT3 receptors in the chemoreceptor trigger zone that stimulate vomiting.

Theory 2
They produce psilocybin/psilocin to affect nervous system of animals who happen to eat them. I imagine if some wild boar or similar animal would be trippin hard in the woods somewhere, it would be easy target for predators, so they would probably avoid that mushroom next time.

Theory 3
Animals use serotonin as a neurotransmitter. Because psilocybin/psilocin are very similar on a molecular level to serotonin, it would be logical to assume that mushrooms use those molecules on the same purpose. Maybe they are using them for communication between distant cells in the mycelium. I always wondered how the mycelium knows, when the substrate is colonized and it's time to fruit. This theory is pretty interesting, because if every cell of mycelium can communicate with another using neurotransmitters, it could be viewed as some sort of a ... brain. With even some sort of self awareness perhaps.

Theory 4
Our biosphere on this planet is engineered or manipulated somehow at some point. There are some molecules that allow us to contact distant entities mentally or to trigger multy media presentations coded in our DNA. A fungus is quite foolproof carrier for these molecules. If there is some sort of organic food it could be living and waiting for those species with subsequintly evolved brains to rise and make contact.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: afrosheen]
    #14119261 - 03/14/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

My best guess is it is a natural defense against predators.  Imagine a WILD JUNGLE HOG sniffing around the jungle floor for some dinner.  Unbeknownst to him, his dinner contains psilocybin.  This is not what our jungle hog bargained for and it is probably not a pleasurable experience for him.  I imagine in the future, our jungle hog is probably going to stay away with these particular fungi. 

What these fungi did not anticipate in their evolution, is people.  We like getting fucked up.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: fbi365]
    #14119502 - 03/14/11 01:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I often ponder when tripping what it would have been like to be the first human (or pre human) to come across psilocybin containing mushrooms.  They would be simply hunting and gathering.  Grab a few handfuls of shrooms, munch them down, and before you know it...

...Religious experience.

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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: Silhouette]
    #14119685 - 03/14/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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why do cubes and various other mushroom species produce psilocybin and psilocin, is there any explanation or is it just cause?





Who knows....but with this "trick" they manage to access new territories:Your Home.
It's a kind of symbiosis IMO.

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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: Primal Call]
    #14119772 - 03/14/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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And as an answer to your question, psilocybin/psilocin are produced to provide an interstellar interface for communication between extraterrestrial beings and anything with the appropriate nervous system. Well, that's one theory anyway.




awesome hypothesis IMO :thumbup::ooo:




Hey, it's no hypothesis!!!!!!!!!!!!:laugh2:

Here's a thought, though:  Serotonin, the common neurotransmitter that psilocin mimics when it docks on brain neurons, also regulates digestion (as noted).  If you fast before you trip you trip harder.  If you trip heavily with a lot in your gut you get that nausea, if you ATE the shrooms :shake: you can end up tossin' 'em.  Mushroom's cell walls are made of chitin and chitin isn't digestible.

Now if you toss 'em before you digest 'em but after you've wandered away from where you ate 'em, you've just moved the spores around from the mushrooms point of view.  Just a thought.

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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #14119906 - 03/14/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I really disagree with the predator-deterrent theory for one main reason; the experience doesn't kick in for up to an hour or two. Unless the animals were very good at recognizing patterns (and even then), they'd have to ingest the mushroom several times before they figured it out. Unlike something like a hot pepper or thorn bush where the effect is immediate pain.

There's no evidence that psilocybin is an insecticide, and in fact you'll often find larvae growing in your wild shrooms.

Not to mention that it doesn't hurt the fungus when it's reproductive fruits get destroyed.

Quite frankly, the presence of psilocybin and psilocin in mushrooms is a totally mystery. The only evolutionary advantage one could think of would be some kind of behavioral modification of animals. And as we all know, this modification can be EXTREMELY varied, and so the relationship between that behavior and any advantages to the mushroom would be very complex if they existed at all.

As far out at it is, the theory that psilocybin is a trans-species neurotransmitter is the only one that seems appealing beside the theory that it's a completely random accident.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? *DELETED* [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #14121996 - 03/14/11 09:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #14122152 - 03/14/11 09:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

nimal eat muahroom. animal trips out....animal gets lost and mushys live


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: jmello]
    #14122394 - 03/14/11 10:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Xben...i see you crossed off shrooms on your list :smile: :mushroom2: congrats




Thanks. (;


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: Silhouette]
    #14123692 - 03/15/11 04:20 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:studmuffin:
I know why mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin.......

It is because they are so jealous i am soooo sexy!

I know they just want to chew and screw though so I won't fall for their games.....

I'm lookin' for luv not lunch!

That dirty Penis Envy asshole just wants to fuck you up then bounce,.....

You really gotta be careful with a guy like that,......

-studmuffin,

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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: M11]
    #14124251 - 03/15/11 09:20 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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NeuroFunk said:

Theory 4
Our biosphere on this planet is engineered or manipulated somehow at some point. There are some molecules that allow us to contact distant entities mentally or to trigger multy media presentations coded in our DNA. A fungus is quite foolproof carrier for these molecules. If there is some sort of organic food it could be living and waiting for those species with subsequintly evolved brains to rise and make contact.




Lol, McKenna was one crazy fuck. I mean he was right-on in alot of respects, but the whole DNA resonance thing.... He was a fuckin nut.

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I often ponder when tripping what it would have been like to be the first human (or pre human) to come across psilocybin containing mushrooms.  They would be simply hunting and gathering.  Grab a few handfuls of shrooms, munch them down, and before you know it...

...Religious experience.

:raveface:




I often have wondered the same thing myself.... I wonder just how much brain power an animal has to have in order to be able to enjoy such an experience and semi-understand it.


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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #16613130 - 07/29/12 08:36 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I know this is old, but in case anybody else ever reads this, here is my 2 cents

I always wondered why shrooms just so happened to be edible, and how psilocin just so happened to have an extremely high 50 LD rate

I also wondered why bud contained seeds, that are very disgusting to smoke, easily picked out of the bud. Just like how the seeds inside and orange? you eat the orange (smoke the marijuana) and dispose of the seeds... which then get a chance to reproduce.

But this is the part that gets me.

Why does smoking bud feel so damn good? why does the smell seduct the user, and make them want to smoke if they arent already high? Perhaps for the reasons I stated above.

Now to get back to shrooms... most come ups are an anxious, excited, blissful feeling. Pleasurable.

what else is pleasurable? sex.
Why is it pleasurable? so we'll reproduce.

I have a feeling the pleasure associated with herb smoking and eating shrooms are a natural way of comforting the organism. I'm not saying just because its pleasurable means its good... heroin isnt good, I havent tried it but I'm not gonna say its not pleasurable.
I'm saying nature has a conscious, it knows things. It knows if you feel relaxed and warm smoking bud, you'll smoke more. Oranges know if theyre sweet, you'll eat them and dispose of the seeds.
It knows if you feel a blissful enlightenment of shrooms, it could drastically change that subjects behavior (Hippies, anybody?) It makes you feel connected to nature, it makes you aware that there is something more than what meets your eye. (Visuals?)

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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: godisamushroom]
    #16613773 - 07/29/12 10:19 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Ones that didnt got eaten, ones that did didnt as much. Viola...booms

psilocybin acts as thorns or camouflage or any other adaption.

natural selection

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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: scrantonstrangler]
    #16614477 - 07/30/12 12:27 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Ones that didnt got eaten, ones that did didnt as much. Viola...booms

psilocybin acts as thorns or camouflage or any other adaption.

natural selection




Natural selection is bogus.

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Re: Why do mushrooms produce psilocybin/psilocin? [Re: godisamushroom]
    #16614572 - 07/30/12 12:58 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

It produces these chemicals that some humans have come to rely on and make us want to grow them, thus ensuring their survival. They help us, and we help them. It is a symbiotic relationship


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