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Approaching the 'singularity' ?
    #14121276 - 03/14/11 07:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Is the frequency and intensity of global crisis' increasing, what with economic problems, uprisings and natural disasters, or is our increased communications capability making it seem more so ?


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Re: Approaching the 'singularity' ? [Re: Brainstem]
    #14121295 - 03/14/11 07:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The intensity of natural disasters is increasing somewhat because there's more people/nuke stations everywhere.

The intensity of uprisings and economic problems is definitely increasing. And IMO you ain't seen nothing yet.


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Re: Approaching the 'singularity' ? [Re: Rahz]
    #14121326 - 03/14/11 07:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Some might suggest prophetic claims of Armageddon, but could it not be more, a case of
self-fulfilling prophecy ? just in time for 2012:lol:

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Re: Approaching the 'singularity' ? [Re: Brainstem]
    #14121415 - 03/14/11 07:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think it's mostly coincidence, though anything is possible.

If you've read the Foundation series by Asimov, and believe stuff like that is possible, there could be a certain level of accuracy in foreshadowing future events... not that I care to support such a position.

But basically, the world has supported its economies through a single global currency, on a scale never before seen (though the dominance of the British Pound earlier this century could be somewhat comparable), and that currency is about to collapse. The ripples we've seen over the last 4-5 years are a result of people who know what's up, getting what they can before it's too late. Check out the price of silver over the last 10 years... that's a pretty good indicator of what real dollar value has become, and it's only going to continue. Even at current prices, you could make a killing in silver (and get out of the dollar market while you're at it). Market manipulation and the printing of currency has sheltered US citizens for several decades now, but that will be ending very soon IMO.

When it happens, the shit will hit the fan, and countries that haven't gotten off the dollar boat will be in bad shape, though perhaps not as bad as the general population in the US. It won't even be comparable to the great depression because so many people farmed back then, very few people needed to worry about hunger. But this time handouts will be harder to come by. A big corporate farm that isn't forced to close down their operations certainly won't be dishing food out to the masses.

The real wild card will be the political, religious, and market turmoil experienced by the world at large, and that will determine the level of war and devastation we're in for.


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Re: Approaching the 'singularity' ? [Re: Rahz]
    #14121425 - 03/14/11 07:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

That bad huh ?

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Re: Approaching the 'singularity' ? [Re: Brainstem]
    #14121490 - 03/14/11 07:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yes. Think about what would have happened to Greece if they weren't bailed out.

You think anyone is going to bail the US out, or even has the capability?


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Re: Approaching the 'singularity' ? [Re: Rahz]
    #14121509 - 03/14/11 08:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

What intrigues me is; what kind of world will emerge at the otherside ?

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Re: Approaching the 'singularity' ? [Re: Brainstem]
    #14121527 - 03/14/11 08:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

FYI - check out this .....




Just watch it.. You may be quite surprised.


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Re: Approaching the 'singularity' ? [Re: macmikem]
    #14122106 - 03/14/11 09:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Just watch it.. You may be quite surprised.




That guy is full of shit. Look a cave drawing with a spiral, ITS A SIGN!

Don't believe the hype. 2012 will come and pass just as the year 2000 did.

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Re: Approaching the 'singularity' ? [Re: Rahz]
    #14122221 - 03/14/11 09:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I think it's mostly coincidence, though anything is possible.

If you've read the Foundation series by Asimov, and believe stuff like that is possible, there could be a certain level of accuracy in foreshadowing future events... not that I care to support such a position.

But basically, the world has supported its economies through a single global currency, on a scale never before seen (though the dominance of the British Pound earlier this century could be somewhat comparable), and that currency is about to collapse. The ripples we've seen over the last 4-5 years are a result of people who know what's up, getting what they can before it's too late. Check out the price of silver over the last 10 years... that's a pretty good indicator of what real dollar value has become, and it's only going to continue. Even at current prices, you could make a killing in silver (and get out of the dollar market while you're at it). Market manipulation and the printing of currency has sheltered US citizens for several decades now, but that will be ending very soon IMO.

When it happens, the shit will hit the fan, and countries that haven't gotten off the dollar boat will be in bad shape, though perhaps not as bad as the general population in the US. It won't even be comparable to the great depression because so many people farmed back then, very few people needed to worry about hunger. But this time handouts will be harder to come by. A big corporate farm that isn't forced to close down their operations certainly won't be dishing food out to the masses.

The real wild card will be the political, religious, and market turmoil experienced by the world at large, and that will determine the level of war and devastation we're in for.




You are talking as if money actually means something... why are you placing so much importance on money, silver, and gold? Do you think someone is going to want these things when they are starving?

Drop me into a desert and I'd prefer 10L of water over 10tonne of gold.

The other thing is that you are speaking of money as if it it the ULTIMATE power. Do you not realise how much military hardware is on the world? This world your living in is a fairytale lala land. When things get tough the tough will get going. There will be no mucking around. If you want to fuck around then you will be shot or imprisoned. No problems.

I would love to see how long these protests would stand up against a fully mobilised US/Chinese/Russian military. At the moment these governments are letting their people have the illusion that they are in control and that they can run their cute little protests. But all of that will vanish in a hail of lead if the governments truly feel threatened.

You are putting way too much faith in money which is a completely illusionary concept. I'm putting my faith in military hardware and WMDs

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Re: Approaching the 'singularity' ? [Re: Brainstem]
    #14122333 - 03/14/11 10:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yea, that and 'how difficult will it be for ME (and my family and friends of course) in the mean time?'.

My Grandad has told me a lot about the Great Depression, and it didn't seem all that bad. Nobody went hungry because the food supply wasn't really affected. Lots of people were out of work and sleeping where they could but they weren't starving. When the dollar takes a dive (same as: when the price of everything skyrockets), the farming system will collapse and will have to be reorganized, but how long it takes and what happens through that could be troublesome.

That comes along with the possibility of roving scavengers, rebellion, martial law, are all bummers. The federal government couldn't handle New Orleans, you know they aren't going to be able to handle a nationwide disaster.


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Re: Approaching the 'singularity' ? [Re: Rahz]
    #14122383 - 03/14/11 10:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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The federal government couldn't handle New Orleans,




Couldnt? Or chose not to?

I can't speak too well for the US. But I know that here in Australia the people would drop like flies when the government started shooting them. We are a very weak people.

If the military has control of food, fuel, and weaponry then the general population will capitulate very quickly. Just look at what is happening to the rebels in Syria. They have people power but they lack the military hardware to back it up. Aint no amount of protesting going to shoot a jet bomber out of the sky.

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Re: Approaching the 'singularity' ? [Re: Brainstem]
    #14122848 - 03/14/11 11:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Seems we are doing the exact opposite of "approaching the 'singularity'"

Culturally, it seems pretty damned obvious that instant 24/7 media via technology and urbanization in increased area will create the appearance of catastrophe.

I have yet to see any compelling evidence that geological disasters are occurring more often, although they may be affecting human habitation more often. This including geological events, (volcanoes, earthquakes), as opposed to atmospheric effects.

But fuck it, if the end of the world occurs in our lifetime we should feel privileged. How many thousands of years have written accounts proved the doom-sayers of their time wrong. I'd be grateful to go out in such a manner, don't happen often on this planet to those with media and prediction.


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Re: Approaching the 'singularity' ? [Re: numonkei]
    #14123130 - 03/15/11 12:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

How's this?

What are the oldest books in history, and the most widely known books? ...Religious books.

Any other book that we have known to be older, could just be the people telling us that it's older, so all books that aren't religious don't seem as "meaningful" to religious people.

Religious people constitute over 5 billion people. Could it be possible that these clever than normal early human species deceived everyone and has ruled the world over us since we can remember?

How did religious books get so many people reading them? Anyone have an answer to that one?

Only so many people wrote those books. And those were just their ideas.

Then people all believed in false gods who would want them to not believe in any other false gods.

This caused every single nation-state to go to war with another nation-state. Sometimes, several at a time. All of them get more powerful. How?

This has continued throughout history. What percentage of enlisted men were religious?

Are most people of the planet just pawns on a giant chessboard essentially at that point? Theists and atheists, because that is the ultimate rivalry. So they control both groups of people.

Therefore, they could control them all.

So we could all be controlled. Unless you could be one of the ones that rules the world. Kings have passed down from generation to generation, leading countries. They could form friends, whom are elected to other countries. The electoral process could be fake in every society--it just is told to us as real, and we believe it, even after voting. That's why, if you flip a coin 100,000,000+ times, you will get heads 50% of the time and tails 50% of the time. Why do modern elections only seem to have two potential "leaders" vying to control the country? And elections in well-developed countries usually only have two candidates.

Seems suspicious to me sometimes.

Edit: So what would happen after that? Doesn't that get most people angry?

What are they going to try to do, when they get to this point?

They could have the world to themselves if they just throw everyone against each other in a giant theist-atheist war.

Therefore...the end of the world? For pretty much everyone but them?

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durantz said:Drop me into a desert and I'd prefer 10L of water over 10tonne of gold.




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Money is pretty much everyone's god sadly. What does everyone shoot for the most in life? Money. Why? They have a natural will to survive. All you have to do is make money meaningful and appealing. Therefore they can still live, even if only buying food and water. Really? We are buying food and water? Because money buys things they need. What if they didn't need money for the things they needed to survive?

Why do we love money so much? It makes getting something really easy.

What's the easiest way to make money? Use a gun and get it from someone else!

What does a huge mob of people with guns sounds like? An army.

All to get more money.


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Re: Approaching the 'singularity' ? [Re: Brainstem]
    #14123357 - 03/15/11 01:31 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Brainstem said:
Some might suggest prophetic claims of Armageddon, but could it not be more, a case of
self-fulfilling prophecy ? just in time for 2012:lol:




Right, all those arab nations undergoing revolution are doing so because they heard about 2012.


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Re: Approaching the 'singularity' ? [Re: Seanfu]
    #14123570 - 03/15/11 02:45 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:laugh:

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Is the frequency and intensity of global crisis' increasing, what with economic problems, uprisings and natural disasters, or is our increased communications capability making it seem more so ?




No things are actually getting worse. Problems are collecting and compounding. Climate change is real and we are seeing an increase in weather related natural disaster because of it.

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The total number of disasters as of June 30, 2008 already exceeds the average number of disasters recorded at mid-year over the past decade. Although 2008 is not on pace to eclipse 2007 as registering the most natural disasters ever, an especially active Atlantic hurricane season is expected.

During the first half of each year between 1998 and 2007, the average number of disasters recorded was 380. So far in 2008, 400 disasters have been reported, according to data released last week by Munich Re, a German reinsurance group.

The data covers geological events, such as earthquakes and volcanoes, as well as weather-related disasters like storms, floods, and heat waves.

Based on the mid-year report, 2008 is following the steady rise in natural disasters that Munich Re has tracked since 1980. The average number of disasters throughout the 1980s was 400. It increased to 630 in the 1990s and to 730 in the past ten years. The highest recorded number of natural disasters, 960, occurred in 2007, Munich Re reported.






http://www.worldwatch.org/node/5825


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Re: Approaching the 'singularity' ? [Re: Brainstem]
    #14123594 - 03/15/11 03:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Is the frequency and intensity of global crisis' increasing, what with economic problems, uprisings and natural disasters, or is our increased communications capability making it seem more so ?





I believe we are reaching a crisis point for humanity that will fully manifest within the next fifty years or less.  Good luck all you young folk.  My advice. Don't have kids.


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Re: Approaching the 'singularity' ? [Re: Icelander]
    #14123676 - 03/15/11 04:13 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I believe we are reaching a crisis point for humanity that will fully manifest within the next fifty years or less




Yeah Interesting enough this is what I'v been thinkin as well, 50 years or less.


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    #14124294 - 03/15/11 09:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

My friends and I sit around and talk about the zombie apoc and what we would do.


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    #14127097 - 03/15/11 08:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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My friends and I sit around and talk about the zombie apoc and what we would do.




Did you watch the UK show "DeadSet"?

I watched the end of it the other week and I don't understand it...

It looked like the Zombies were actually sentient...

It was like the show was saying that most of the population are already Zombies. The only difference is that the Zombies eat human flesh where the rest of us simply consume other people's energy (tax, rent, fines, interest, etc.)

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