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Thallium
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Shaggy parasol?
#14123534 - 03/15/11 02:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey guys, I found a few of these with a bunch of pins popping up under some pines and acacias earlier today in the Berkeley area. I think they are shaggy parasols (what genus are they in now? Chlorophyllum?) since the stem base is swollen and the spore print is white. The cut surfaces turn brownish after a while, not the reddish that David Arora describes. One thing that's throwing me off is the color. Aren't they supposed to be lighter and not brown? Let me know what you guys think and if any of you have ever tried them. Thanks



Edited by Thallium (03/15/11 02:33 AM)
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Re: Shaggy parasol? [Re: Thallium]
#14123619 - 03/15/11 03:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Chlorophyllum brunneum.
Post some more pics of the base of the stem to verify...The other choice is C. rhacodes, which is very rare in Berkeley. I have also found C. molybdites at UC Berkeley (in August).
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Love the way this mushroom looks!
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given the white spore print i would rule out C. molybdites. but im pretty sure you were just throwing that out as extra info. i would say C. Brunneum is most likely. but ya pics of the base of the stem would be confirmation
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It's obviously an edible Chlorophyllum species. If anyone can post a comparison between rhacodes and the other edible species showing the easy ID differences that would be great.
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Re: Shaggy parasol? [Re: Thallium]
#14125060 - 03/15/11 01:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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oh my! that thing is supposed to be edible?
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caphillkid said: It's obviously an edible Chlorophyllum species. If anyone can post a comparison between rhacodes and the other edible species showing the easy ID differences that would be great.
1a. Mushroom sequestrate; gills absent or contorted and enclosed......................................... C. agaricoides 1b. Mushroom not sequestrate; gills flat and soon exposed....................................................................... 2
2a. Stalk length noticeably greater than cap diameter; cap scales fibrous (like hemp rope); cap scales grayish olive brown on a dingy background............................. C. olivieri 2b. Stalk length approximately equal to cap diameter; cap scales smooth; cap scales cinnamon brown on a white background............................................................... 3
3a. Annulus with one edge; stalk base an abrupt bulb with a flattened top that may have a ridged perimeter.................................................................................................... C. brunneum 3b. Annulus with two edges—one turned up and one turned down; stalk base swollen or a bulb with a sloping top and no ridge................................................................. C. rachodes
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Thanks for the help guys. Here's a pic of the stem base belonging to the intact specimen from the second picture (the cap fell off while it was in the fridge). The bruising is more distinctly orange now.
Edited by Thallium (03/15/11 04:32 PM)
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caphillkid
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ShockValue said:
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caphillkid said: It's obviously an edible Chlorophyllum species. If anyone can post a comparison between rhacodes and the other edible species showing the easy ID differences that would be great.
1a. Mushroom sequestrate; gills absent or contorted and enclosed......................................... C. agaricoides 1b. Mushroom not sequestrate; gills flat and soon exposed....................................................................... 2
2a. Stalk length noticeably greater than cap diameter; cap scales fibrous (like hemp rope); cap scales grayish olive brown on a dingy background............................. C. olivieri 2b. Stalk length approximately equal to cap diameter; cap scales smooth; cap scales cinnamon brown on a white background............................................................... 3
3a. Annulus with one edge; stalk base an abrupt bulb with a flattened top that may have a ridged perimeter.................................................................................................... C. brunneum 3b. Annulus with two edges—one turned up and one turned down; stalk base swollen or a bulb with a sloping top and no ridge................................................................. C. rachodes
yes I've read that and don't find it useful
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Not sure how to make it any more clear.
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Edited by ShockValue (03/15/11 05:56 PM)
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caphillkid
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these (edible) chlorophyllum seems to be ID largely on location
maybe we can get some pics together from different members and try to point out the differing characteristics
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location and also by the base. the more abruptly bulbous bases are usually C brunneum. but i cant tell if that base is really abrupt or is that a large pin head.
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psylosymonreturns said: location and also by the base. the more abruptly bulbous bases are usually C brunneum. but i cant tell if that base is really abrupt or is that a large pin head.
There's a large pin next to the base. I'll try and get a better picture tonight. So is this edible for sure? There are a lot more of them popping up now with the rain we had.
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Re: Shaggy parasol? [Re: Thallium]
#14132468 - 03/16/11 05:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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it is edible
all of them should stain orangeish
the stems aren't very good though
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This pic should show the base better. It looks pretty abrupt, but the two pins net to it make it hard to see.
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Re: Shaggy parasol? [Re: Thallium]
#14133937 - 03/16/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i dont know if thats abrupt enough for C brunneum. the C rhachodes i find look like that. if you have grass clippings spread them in a bed toss those stem butts in if you may want them in your yard.
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Re: Shaggy parasol? [Re: Thallium]
#14133972 - 03/16/11 10:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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What about Chlorophyllum olivieri?
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Re: Shaggy parasol? [Re: phishhead]
#14133990 - 03/16/11 10:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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those arent C olivieri . they would have uniform colored cap and scales and be a grayish brown. this is C rhachodes.
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Edible and choice 
Looks similar to the ones I have found around the bay.
Cut away any parts that show insect damage, the rest or the mushroom is really good eating.
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psylosymonreturns said: this is C rhachodes.
That is very unlikely given the Berkeley location and the abruptness of the base.
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is that considered an abrupt base?
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I wanted to thank you guys again for confirming my guess. I dry-sauteed them with a little butter last night, and they are by far the best mushrooms I have ever had. I was a little concerned about the whole potential allergic reaction thing so I only tried a little bit and saved the rest for later.
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Re: Shaggy parasol? [Re: Thallium]
#14137965 - 03/17/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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psylosymonreturns said: is that considered an abrupt base?
Yes.
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Thallium said: I wanted to thank you guys again for confirming my guess. I dry-sauteed them with a little butter last night, and they are by far the best mushrooms I have ever had. I was a little concerned about the whole potential allergic reaction thing so I only tried a little bit and saved the rest for later.
Yea they are great. The last time I ate them I was in Cactu's kitchen in Mexico and I sliced them, dipped them in egg, then panko bread crumbs, then deep fried them. I then made a dipping sauce with sour cream and spices. They were great, so much so that some people who don't normally like mushrooms said they were really good.
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I think it's a good mushroom but not one of the great ones like chants or shiitake. The flavor is basically like bisporus but has a much softer texture. They absolutely look horrific when sauteed though due to the staining color.
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Alan Rockefeller said: Yea they are great. The last time I ate them I was in Cactu's kitchen in Mexico and I sliced them, dipped them in egg, then panko bread crumbs, then deep fried them. I then made a dipping sauce with sour cream and spices. They were great, so much so that some people who don't normally like mushrooms said they were really good.
Sounds like an awesome way to cook them up, will definately give this a shot if I find some more.
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i am going to try that recipe too this fall, cuz like caphilkid said, if they turn that orange color i imagine that looks pretty sick.
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caphillkid said: I think it's a good mushroom but not one of the great ones like chants or shiitake. The flavor is basically like bisporus but has a much softer texture. They absolutely look horrific when sauteed though due to the staining color. 
I'm kinda the opposite haha. While chanterelles are good, they're just slightly better in my opinion than bisporus. As for shiitake, I absolutely abhor fresh shiitake. The dried ones are good though. I don't really care about the appearance; I'm Asian so I'm used to eating all sorts of gross looking stuff
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Re: Shaggy parasol? [Re: Thallium]
#14139615 - 03/17/11 09:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The flavor is basically like bisporus but has a much softer texture. They absolutely look horrific when sauteed though due to the staining color.
The flavor is quite intense, super savory and texture is great. The stems are great too.
BTW - The orange color goes away about 30 minutes after cutting. And the cooked mushroom comes out "normal" mushroom colored, not the color of the staining.
At least the ones we seem to find.
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Re: Shaggy parasol? [Re: Thallium]
#14140283 - 03/17/11 10:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thallium said: I'm Asian so I'm used to eating all sorts of gross looking stuff
LOL! That's awesome.
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I battered and fried the whole cap. It was tasty, but it would have been better actually deep fried I think. Mine turned out kinda soggy.
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but it would have been better actually deep fried I think
If you deep-fried a stick of frozen salted butter I would like it too.
Or even a deep fried babies arm...
But why deep fry a Leppy?
I mean, I'd eat it and most likey enjoy it, but why oh why deep fry it?
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Re: Shaggy parasol? [Re: Dubwobble]
#14141890 - 03/18/11 07:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dubwobble said: but why oh why deep fry it?
Because its not really all that good by itself.
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