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OfflineLeanin
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court ordered aa
    #14123296 - 03/15/11 01:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

anyone got around this? im not alcoholic.

talked to several people that just had friends sign their sheet and put their phone numbers. also heard that probation just counts them and never bothers to call.

anyone have experience with this?

thanks.

and i dont need a lecture. advice only.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Leanin]
    #14123309 - 03/15/11 01:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Court ordered AA is complete bullshit!  AA has a huge religious agenda that they push on people and is not helpful to very many people at all.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: LoveYourLife]
    #14123330 - 03/15/11 01:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i agree, i am done sitting through these fucking things.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Leanin]
    #14123347 - 03/15/11 01:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I went to an AA meeting once when I was 15. That place was so depressing. :sad:
I guess if I quit drinking I would be depressed too.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: lil_demented]
    #14123360 - 03/15/11 01:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Can't you just show up and say I havn't felt like drinking. What more is there to say.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Leanin]
    #14123367 - 03/15/11 01:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

no advice on fabricating signatures?


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Leanin]
    #14123378 - 03/15/11 01:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Eh, go to the meeting and put on a big smiley face. Going to boring, smoke-filled meetings beat sitting in jail.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Leanin]
    #14123387 - 03/15/11 01:39 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ask if they can send you to Church instead so you can at least have a bloody writeoff next tax season.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Le_Canard]
    #14123405 - 03/15/11 01:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Eh, go to the meeting and put on a big smiley face. Going to boring, smoke-filled meetings beat sitting in jail.




not just one meeting.....
i have to go to 192 of them in 2 years of probation. fucking joke.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Leanin]
    #14123417 - 03/15/11 01:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Adden]
    #14123441 - 03/15/11 01:54 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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AA has a huge religious agenda that they push on people and is not helpful to very many people at all.




Seriously, that's some huge bullshit that the court can order that. It's almost like ordering someone to go to church because AA demands that you "submit to a higher power" which i think is even more bullshit because it takes away personal responsibility and control if you have a drinking problem.

Plus, individual tailored therapies work best; AA may work for some people, but it's definitely not viable for everyone.

I'd be so pissed in your situation. I'd want to tell them they couldn't do that because of AA's setup almost blatantly involves religion


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Adden]
    #14123445 - 03/15/11 01:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i signed for my cousin many times threw a 1 year period and never got the first call. most P.O.`s dont check at all. his P.O. turned out to be a drunk herself- must have been the stress. try to go to N.A. if you must go then, at least you can meet new connections!!! 2 years will go by fast bra, do not ever test positive on a "U-A" and they wont realy have reason to check you out and you may get off early.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: jacobensis]
    #14123470 - 03/15/11 02:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

thats the thing, my probation consists of me calling a hotline once a month to report....and go to 2 aa meetings a week.


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    #14123533 - 03/15/11 02:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Go to AA rather than sitting in jail.  At least you can rant your ass off there about what you don't like.  The funniest thing I saw at an AA meeting, some guy suddenly stood up, and said in a loud voice, "Fuck this shit, I'm going to go get fucked up" and walked out.  :rofl2:


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: starfire_xes]
    #14123576 - 03/15/11 02:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Go to AA rather than sitting in jail.  At least you can rant your ass off there about what you don't like.  The funniest thing I saw at an AA meeting, some guy suddenly stood up, and said in a loud voice, "Fuck this shit, I'm going to go get fucked up" and walked out.  :rofl2:




:lolsy:

That guy deserves an award.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Leanin]
    #14123580 - 03/15/11 02:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You're gonna have a fucking sponsor, and those assholes are gonna call you, and talk to you about God while you're trying to eat breakfast before work and shit. They're gonna act like they care because it was God's wish to put them there to help you.

Fuck it, I'd fail a UA and do 6 months county before they ever got me in that AA shit.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Adden]
    #14124786 - 03/15/11 12:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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You're gonna have a fucking sponsor, and those assholes are gonna call you, and talk to you about God while you're trying to eat breakfast before work and shit. They're gonna act like they care because it was God's wish to put them there to help you.

Fuck it, I'd fail a UA and do 6 months county before they ever got me in that AA shit.




I'd report my "sponsor" for harrasment. Then when he gets locked up for it, I'd call the jail house and tell them he told me he wanted to kill himself.
Then they'd put him in the suicide tank with the paper gown and no blankets.
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Re: court ordered aa [Re: lil_demented]
    #14124800 - 03/15/11 01:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

so no one has had any experience with this?...i find that hard to believe.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Le_Canard]
    #14124856 - 03/15/11 01:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Eh, go to the meeting and put on a big smiley face. Going to boring, smoke-filled meetings beat sitting in jail.




Indeed.

I had to do this about 5 or 6 years ago when I got caught underage drinking and vandalizing with friends. They hit me with underage drinking when I blew a .03 or something crazy like that and made me go to AA meetings where I was with people who had major problems much worse than mine (I never drank much when I was younger). Just jump through their hoops and hopefully you'll be lucky enough to get some kind of deal.. My charges were dropped because I attended the classes and did their community service.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: gzuf]
    #14124867 - 03/15/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

my question is, do they even verify attendence with the names and numbers on your sheet? or can anyone sign.


if you have no experience with this dont post please.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Leanin]
    #14124880 - 03/15/11 01:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

friend just did this two days ago, had his mom and her coqorkers all forge the form and he turned it in


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14124934 - 03/15/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

ya it seems pretty easy to get around....thats why im asking.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Leanin]
    #14124957 - 03/15/11 01:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Court ordered AA sucks. I tried to take it online, but the assholes told me I NEEDED to go, also I was on my second strike for forgetting my AA attendance sheet and for going to that fuckin' online AA chat room. Also, you don't need a sponsor...at least I didn't. I still drank when I went to AA, their religious themes fueled it.

Also, yes..they tell you, "It's okay to not be religious while in AA". But yet most of their themes relate to 'God' somehow constantly. Also, if you say you're not religious and agnostic, the religious kooks tend to stay away from you. I like it that way.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Moronicus]
    #14124967 - 03/15/11 01:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

....so did you actually go.......?


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14124978 - 03/15/11 01:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Most of you guys bad mouthing AA don't know the first thing about it.

It truly helps people; I've met a number of people in the program who benefit greatly from it. The people in AA themselves also tend to be a nice, supportive crowd (varies meeting to meeting, but generally) and while the religiosity of AA can be argued, I don't see how you can negate all the good it's doing on that basis alone. If you don't like that part, then it's not for you. But a lot of people accept it and it helps them, so don't piss on anyone's parade. Especially when it's what keeps them living happy and healthy.

I don't agree with court ordered AA though that's a load of shit. Without a personal choice and commitment to it it's not going to do jack shit.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: noticeofeviction]
    #14124987 - 03/15/11 01:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

can anyone actually answer my questions holy fuck.

and i dont hold anything against aa, it works for some people.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Leanin]
    #14124998 - 03/15/11 01:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think you should just check the program out and see if you like it. Acceptance is the first step. You might be an alcoholic and not even know it.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: noticeofeviction]
    #14125004 - 03/15/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

....ive been to over 60 meetings.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Leanin]
    #14125075 - 03/15/11 02:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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can anyone actually answer my questions holy fuck.

and i dont hold anything against aa, it works for some people.




Yah, I can't answer your questions at all.

And this lecture isn't intended at you.  Feel free to skip it if you want.

Just wanted to throw out there that my Dad really needed to stop drinking 15 or 20 years ago, and he started AA, and it's worked out great for him.

He still goes to a meeting a week, or something like that, or at least still did the last time I talked to him, but he's been sober that whole time.

I've actually seen it work for quite a few people, while I've seen "traditional" type rehabs fail time and time again.

I've also seen plenty of people stop on their own.

So it's different for everyone.  I just get a bit angry when I hear people say AA is a cult and it brainwashes people and it's bullshit or whatever.

I'm pretty sure it's gotten tens of thousands of people sober, which if they need it, can't be a bad thing.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Leanin]
    #14125267 - 03/15/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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....so did you actually go.......?



Yes, I had to.

Else I would have to pay more money, restart my program, and of course the AA program.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Moronicus]
    #14125281 - 03/15/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If you go to NA you can make new connects and (sometimes) meet hot druggie skanks.  :awesomenod:


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: deCypher]
    #14125349 - 03/15/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Court ordered meetings are really easy, really not bad, and you might actually learn something.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: withoutawire]
    #14125558 - 03/15/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

learn what? lol


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    #14125591 - 03/15/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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If you go to NA you can make new connects and (sometimes) meet hot druggie skanks.  :awesomenod:



I don't have friends who do narcotics, I just know a bunch of stoners.

Plus, I hate being around people who are so twacked out that they flip out over a cigarette :bored: I almost got in a fight with some asshole who went up to my friend and tried to claim some Aryan shit, he for surely weighed no more than 125.


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Yes, it is. The shine stands for his job title, which is Shoe Shiner, the moon stands for the time he comes out to be a nigger, which is best suited for the negroid camouflage.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Moronicus]
    #14126299 - 03/15/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

My friend went to a couple bust just forged sigs for the others. His PO kinda called him out on an obviouse one but he never got in trouble for it.


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    #14126378 - 03/15/11 06:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

For what its worth:

You should definitely feel out your PO or whomever you hand the sheet over to out first and see how much they actually care (not work getting locked up over!!) but;

I have seen numerous people who were court ordered to 90 meetings in 90 days just get friends to sign their name on the form your PO gives you to fill out.

You get a listing of where  current daily the meetings are, and at what time. Someone signs the sheet with the correct place and time where the meeting is being held. I have never seen anyone have to give a phone number, just a signature, place and time. This in PA.

I have seen this work for at least 3 people.

Rotate signatures, Don't get caught. I'm sure you will get screwed hard if its some how figured out.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Leanin]
    #14126457 - 03/15/11 06:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Leanin said:
my question is, do they even verify attendence with the names and numbers on your sheet? or can anyone sign.


if you have no experience with this dont post please.




Due to the anonymous nature of AA/NA your PO really has no right to call them and ask anything.  It would completely go against one of the 12 traditions which states that AA is not involved with any other organization (law enforcement is mention specifically).

Most people who are running the meeting and signing the slips do not put their phone numbers on them.

I'd say your golden to just have anyone sign them seeing how there is no rule in AA/NA about who can sign those papers, it could be a completely different person at every meeting you go to.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: amilibertine]
    #14127195 - 03/15/11 08:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

thanks for the input guys, its a very loosely run deal.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: LoveYourLife]
    #14128538 - 03/16/11 12:39 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Court ordered AA is complete bullshit!  AA has a huge religious agenda that they push on people and is not helpful to very many people at all.



actualy it isnt. they make it quite clear that they are a non religious orginization.

it was founded by christians back in 1930 so it has some old school lingo but it is nowhere near a christian organization


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Leanin]
    #14130470 - 03/16/11 12:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

all ya need is a pen. privacy laws in Mn are
behind all that. not many people want to sign
anything saying they are a drunk, but i would stay away
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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Leanin]
    #14130509 - 03/16/11 12:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i would go nuts! just have em at your house and make it a party
if any place more than 2 people gather to pray, can be a church....


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    #14130546 - 03/16/11 12:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

people here get 'whisky' plates on their cars. if a cop sees
it, probable cause to stop you, and if your car is outside a bar, they can
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Re: court ordered aa [Re: sajahand]
    #14153886 - 03/20/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

aa is gay


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Leanin]
    #14154074 - 03/20/11 02:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

AA is not necessarily gay.  I had to do some meetings for an arrest a couple of years ago and I didn't mind it at all.  I got to hear some really awesome stories and meet some very interesting people.  What is really gay is your attitude.

Here's the thing about AA and religion.  It completely depends on the group.  Every AA group is autonomous.  The only thing it takes to start an AA group is a couple of people who want to quit drinking.  A copy of the book would not hurt either but the book itself is not the least bit religious.  The only thing in it that really touches on spirituality is Step 1, where you turn your life over to a higher power.  That power is not defined any further than that and is left for each group to define for itself.

If you have a problem with AA, try a different group.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #14154102 - 03/20/11 02:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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H A copy of the book would not hurt either but the book itself is not the least bit religious.  The only thing in it that really touches on spirituality is Step 1, where you turn your life over to a higher power.  That power is not defined any further than that and is left for each group to define for itself.

If you have a problem with AA, try a different group.




While you seem to know a bit about AA, how "religious" the big book is depends on the person reading.  I find it pretty insulting, especially the chapter "We agnostics", which is basically a chapter trying it's hardest under the surface to convince a non-believer to become one.

OP, try NA.  It's mostly younger people and you don't have to say the lords prayer at the end so it's much less christian-like.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: amilibertine]
    #14154127 - 03/20/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It can't be denied that AA is at its core a spiritual program, but that doesn't make it religious.  If you want to follow the program, you have to surrender to a higher power.  That's all the book says.  Though it does say it a lot, that's all it says.  You want to call that a religion, I don't think that's fair.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #14154168 - 03/20/11 02:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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It can't be denied that AA is at its core a spiritual program, but that doesn't make it religious.  If you want to follow the program, you have to surrender to a higher power.  That's all the book says.  Though it does say it a lot, that's all it says.  You want to call that a religion, I don't think that's fair.




I didn't call it a religion.  It's completely modeled after the Christian religion. 

Just go to an old timers AA meeting and claim you higher power is satan, or a tree, or your car and see how they react. 

It's not a religion, more like a cult.

I was heavily involved in NA/AA for years, I'm not just some guy passing baseless judgement.  It's not religion and you don't have to be religious to be a member. BUT for people who have issues with religion or are confused about it, AA comes off as religious upon first glance and that's something that turns people away.


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: amilibertine]
    #14154909 - 03/20/11 05:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i dont care if its religious or not, i dont want to go cuz im not alcoholic


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Leanin]
    #14156789 - 03/20/11 10:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

anyone forged aa cards


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Leanin]
    #14157176 - 03/20/11 11:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

?????


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    #14157776 - 03/21/11 02:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Court ordered meetings are really easy, really not bad, and you might actually learn something.




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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Leanin]
    #14157887 - 03/21/11 03:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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i dont care if its religious or not, i dont want to go cuz im not alcoholic




Your only lieing to yourself, the first step is admitting you have a problem.















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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14160460 - 03/21/11 05:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

you sound like a broken record.

im not alcoholic because i got a dui.

anyone fabricated aa signatures?


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Re: court ordered aa [Re: Leanin]
    #14160512 - 03/21/11 05:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes we all have, crayons are the preferred media


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