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InvisibleDieCommie

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Re: Is Michael Vick running the Tea Party now? [Re: johnm214]
    #14121208 - 03/14/11 07:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

So is the distinction between homosapien animals and other animals also 'arbitrary'?  In either case, how about an example of a law thats not 'arbitrary'?  Spoiler alert: There is no such thing.  :tongue:

Just because something is arbitrary, or more appropriately in this case - relative... Just because something is relative doesn't mean it is false or in valid.

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Re: Is Michael Vick running the Tea Party now? [Re: johnm214]
    #14122519 - 03/14/11 10:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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johnm214 said:
One thing I think is a bit hard to stomach is the seemingly arbitrary distinctions made between animals and the law.  Emotionally I'd like animals to be well cared for, except the annoying ones, but its really hard for me to support laws, especially criminal penalties, for an act against a dog, for example, that would be legal if it had been conducted against a cow, pig, monkey, et cet. 

Arbitrary distinctions in law would seem to indicate a poorly justified law or one that is enforced due to convieniance of particular lifestyles, cultures, and I question whether that makes good law, as it likely lakes any philosophical justification- to say nothing of its practicalities.  How could I justify taking someone by force and putting them in jail for something that if they had done it to an animal arbitrarily different it would not represent an offense at all?

In my state you can't kill squirrels, for example, without a license, yet your free to do your own slaughtering.  What's so fancy about a squirrel that I need to go to jail for shooting it?  (note: you can't release them on other property, including public, either.  Actually that same law appears to make killing rats and mice illegal as well.  Not a very well-thought out law there, I'd say.)




You are absolutely correct. People have a hard a hard time understanding that there is no difference between what a cattle farmer does to provide the meat on their table, and what a puppy mill proprietor does to feed his family. Its the exploitation of inferior animals for Financial gain, or nu triton.

Why don't they see their hypocrisy? Because the are weak, soft,  stupid, and emotional


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

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Re: Is Michael Vick running the Tea Party now? [Re: jimbotron] * 1
    #14122852 - 03/14/11 11:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Everybody seems to have forgotten one key point in all this. I.E. Missouri voters approved a referendum. Now whether or not you agree, the voters have spoken on this issue, and, last I heard, the politicians are supposed to listen. That's what this country is all about.

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Re: Is Michael Vick running the Tea Party now? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #14123183 - 03/15/11 12:45 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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ToiletDuk said:
Everybody seems to have forgotten one key point in all this. I.E. Missouri voters approved a referendum. Now whether or not you agree, the voters have spoken on this issue, and, last I heard, the politicians are supposed to listen. That's what this country is all about.




The majority is not allowed to violate the civil liberties of the minority. By your rational Jim Crowe laws were justifiable


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"

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Re: Is Michael Vick running the Tea Party now? [Re: Simplicitry]
    #14123203 - 03/15/11 12:50 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

We're not talking about the old Jim Crow laws - we're talking about animal abuse laws. There is a difference.

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Re: Is Michael Vick running the Tea Party now? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #14124054 - 03/15/11 08:16 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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ToiletDuk said:
We're not talking about the old Jim Crow laws - we're talking about animal abuse laws. There is a difference.





arent there already animal abuse laws in place in all 50 states as well as on the federal level?

once more... do we need more redundant legislation or to simply enforce what's there

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Re: Is Michael Vick running the Tea Party now? [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #14124508 - 03/15/11 10:44 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Can they use them to shut down these puppy mills? If they can't then they need to be changed.

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