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Re: Depressed dads more likely to spank [Re: KillerSpores]
#14121616 - 03/14/11 08:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Newbie said: My ass got beat with belts, hands, whatever when I was a kid. I never once looked back and regretted it. I deserved every slap I got and I'm a better person because of it.
This all the way. I hated it at the time but get hit with a belt enough and youll never do it agian.
Or just you learn never to get caught again. Being spanked or hit with the belt only made me more clever at avoiding detection and subsequent punishment.
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Re: Depressed dads more likely to spank [Re: deCypher]
#14121644 - 03/14/11 08:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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my pops told me he spent most of his 20's pissed off and angry at the world. I also got plenty of ass whoopin's hmm..
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Re: Depressed dads more likely to spank [Re: thoughts]
#14121670 - 03/14/11 08:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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iwasaClown said: There's no good reason to hit a child. Do you hit an adult if they don't behave? Then why the hell would you hit a child?
yes actually I would, if an adult hits or bites me it'll happen only once, if they make a second attempt, I'll put their ass on the floor and stomp their head until they stop twitching, adults are old enough to know better than to hit and bite others, if they cant manage that sort of self control then maybe it's time they were taught that valuable lesson
and no, it certainly wouldnt be the first time I have
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I've seen a pattern in people who hit their childern, it's often people that were hit when they were young. What a surprise.
I see a pattern in kids that were not spanked, they tend to be self centered egotistical twats that like to bully others and eventually end up hurting and even killing people through their reckless disregard and lack of respect for others... sometimes spanking is necessary, abuse on the other hand, never is and as a child I learned the difference because I was a bused, I was one of those kids that dreaded getting a hotwheels track for christmas and it quickly found it's way to the trash
let me ask, how many children do you have?
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Re: Depressed dads more likely to spank [Re: makaveli8x8]
#14121681 - 03/14/11 08:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: i think the better alternative to hitting your child for misbehaving is hitting the people who corrupted them, most of what a child does is learned, it can also be unlearned through methods that don't involve physical punishment, it just takes longer, alot of parents dont have the time or energy for this and resort to physical abuse when mental abuse its cleaner
you're advocating abuse?
emotional/'mental' abuse is far worse than physical abuse and a spanking doesnt equate to abuse by any means
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Re: Depressed dads more likely to spank [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#14121701 - 03/14/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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it would easier if we all just did not exist.
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Re: Depressed dads more likely to spank [Re: Choix Sinaloa]
#14121711 - 03/14/11 08:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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they wont let me have the power over the nuke button otherwise the world would be a far more pleasant place
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Re: Depressed dads more likely to spank [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14121737 - 03/14/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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if i had to spank my kids id be depressed too.
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Re: Depressed dads more likely to spank [Re: blingbling]
#14121750 - 03/14/11 08:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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blingbling said: if i had to spank my kids id be depressed too.
if your entire family died in a earthquake you would also be depressed,
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Re: Depressed dads more likely to spank [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14121758 - 03/14/11 08:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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iwasaClown said: There's no good reason to hit a child. Do you hit an adult if they don't behave? Then why the hell would you hit a child?
yes actually I would, if an adult hits or bites me it'll happen only once, if they make a second attempt, I'll put their ass on the floor and stomp their head until they stop twitching, adults are old enough to know better than to hit and bite others, if they cant manage that sort of self control then maybe it's time they were taught that valuable lesson
and no, it certainly wouldnt be the first time I have
Then what? You get charged with assault.
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I see a pattern in kids that were not spanked, they tend to be self centered egotistical twats that like to bully others and eventually end up hurting and even killing people through their reckless disregard and lack of respect for others... sometimes spanking is necessary, abuse on the other hand, never is and as a child I learned the difference because I was a bused, I was one of those kids that dreaded getting a hotwheels track for christmas and it quickly found it's way to the trash
let me ask, how many children do you have?
I don't have any children of my own. Although i am an uncle and i've been around my brother's kids(6 and 10) their whole lives.
I was actually never hit as a child, and i turned out pretty calm and cool. Never bullied anyone or was ever in any major, senseless fights.
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Re: Depressed dads more likely to spank [Re: thoughts]
#14121775 - 03/14/11 08:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I got beat the shit out of , depressions -> drugs
But I turned out just fine aswell
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Re: Depressed dads more likely to spank [Re: Beanhead]
#14121910 - 03/14/11 09:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I only got spanked a few times and I barely remember those, but I still turned out depressed and neurotic anyway. I blame it on being an only lonely child of divorced parents.
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Re: Depressed dads more likely to spank [Re: thoughts]
#14121983 - 03/14/11 09:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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iwasaClown said: There's no good reason to hit a child. Do you hit an adult if they don't behave? Then why the hell would you hit a child?
yes actually I would, if an adult hits or bites me it'll happen only once, if they make a second attempt, I'll put their ass on the floor and stomp their head until they stop twitching, adults are old enough to know better than to hit and bite others, if they cant manage that sort of self control then maybe it's time they were taught that valuable lesson
and no, it certainly wouldnt be the first time I have
Then what? You get charged with assault.
it's self defense, if I'm assaulted by someone I have the right to defend myself, it's one of those inalienable rights that the supreme court has upheld, this is evidenced by them shooting down the DC gun ban
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let me ask, how many children do you have?
I don't have any children of my own.
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I was actually never hit as a child, and i turned out pretty calm and cool. Never bullied anyone or was ever in any major, senseless fights.
I shrug.
it's strange, every time I turned around I was hit, whether it was the bully at school who's mom always said "my son wouldnt do that, he's a good boy" or my alcoholic step father who grabbed what ever was handy and tore my ass up, he used the expression "I'm going to wear this belt out on your ass" and one day he did in fact break the belt while beating me, the bastard would even beat me if I got beat up and then put me back out there to fight again and guess what... I'm calm, I'm certainly not angry at the world for my childhood, I'm not even angry at my stepfather or my mom for letting it go on for so long, I look past all that and rememer those good times that I did share when he wasnt drunk and angry, I never got into any senseless fights and I accepted a lot of abuse from others as a kid and still do as an adult, hence the "I'll give them one chance..."
I can always overlook the first time as an accident or simply a mistake, the second time says it's deliberate and they intend to do me harm, that abuse as a kid payed off, it taught me how to manage my temper and it taught me that there is no man on this planet that I need to fear, it taught me that there is nothing that I cannot overcome and that I'm capable of doing what ever I need to do to survive and that pain is just another word in the english language that I dont have to take seriously but then again, I didnt get spanked, I got beat so what my kids get is certainly not what I got
a spanking is no more than an attention getter, my son rarely needs one because he understands that what I say is 'law', my daughter used to get one frequently but she's beginning to understand that at the point that I have too go to that form of corporal punishment that I'm not putting up with the bullshit, a spanking is a pop or two on the butt, a beating is 20 or 30 lashes with a strip of plastic or a rifle butt broken across your back or a punch in the face or kick in the head by a full grown man when you're 12 years old... a kid doesnt need a beating but sometimes they can use a spanking, not spanking a child can also be a form of abuse, not just for the child but for society as a whole
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Re: Depressed dads more likely to spank [Re: Beanhead]
#14122048 - 03/14/11 09:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I was spanked. But my parents were emotionally abusive more so than physically. I still have issues stemmed from my childhood. Religion was far more damaging though than anything else. My parents are simply terrible people, they should have been made sterile.
I wouldn't spank a child, I don't think any abuse is good. Timeouts are much better.
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Re: Depressed dads more likely to spank [Re: yessir]
#14122063 - 03/14/11 09:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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imo spanking isn't abuse.
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Re: Depressed dads more likely to spank [Re: yessir]
#14122131 - 03/14/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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yessir said: I wouldn't spank a child, I don't think any abuse is good. Timeouts are much better.
I think telling the kid to knock it off if they're misbehaving is better, if they're doing something seriously wrong then it's time to actually talk and discuss the issue and why it's a problem and why that behavior needs to stop and if it doesnt stop then it's time for a spanking
confining a kid really doesnt do much unless you're locking them in a closet otherwise they're someplace like their room where they have their toys and shit to play with and forget all about the fact that they're being punished
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Re: Depressed dads more likely to spank [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14122287 - 03/14/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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emotional/'mental' abuse is far worse than physical abuse and a spanking doesnt equate to abuse by any means
I was emotionally abused on a DAILY basis, and physically every so often. From my personal experience the emotional abuse was FAR FAR worse. I literally would wake up every day walking on egg shells waiting to get screamed at, told I'm worthless and various other mind fucks. I have zero relationship with my dad because of it. Not to mention zero self esteem, crippling anxiety and emotionally I feel nothing. Essentially I am dead inside. I lose friends every year or two, make new ones, lose those, repeat. I still jump when I hear loud noises, sleep about 5 hours a night intermittently.
I'd prefer a spanking to the emotional abuse any day.
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Re: Depressed dads more likely to spank [Re: biff]
#14122396 - 03/14/11 10:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I suffered a lot of both, my step father was illiterate and felt like a worthless piece of shit so he insisted on feeling better about himself by demeaning everyone around him, it takes some work to get past the bullshit you've dealt with and realize that you determine your self worth, no one else makes that decision unless you give them that power to hold over you
your dad obviously was wrong, you need to accept that and push forward
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Re: Depressed dads more likely to spank [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14122404 - 03/14/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have this idealistic vision of having kids who will listen to my calm, rational explanation of why they shouldn't do something and subsequently agree & stop doing whatever it is that they're doing. To all of you who have had children, is this a reasonable expectation?
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Re: Depressed dads more likely to spank [Re: deCypher]
#14122435 - 03/14/11 10:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: I think telling the kid to knock it off if they're misbehaving is better, if they're doing something seriously wrong then it's time to actually talk and discuss the issue and why it's a problem and why that behavior needs to stop
confining a kid really doesnt do much unless you're locking them in a closet otherwise they're someplace like their room where they have their toys and shit to play with and forget all about the fact that they're being punished
I was with you until you said, "time for a spanking." All you have to do is put them next to a wall and watch them from a distance. No toys. A child's conception of time passes much slower. For them, it's agonizing. Once they calm down and apologize/recognize the issue, they can go. They mess up again, it's back to the timeout.
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deCypher said: To all of you who have had children, is this a reasonable expectation? 
Maybe not, their brains might be too small.
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Re: Depressed dads more likely to spank [Re: yessir]
#14122458 - 03/14/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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yessir said: All you have to do is put them next to a wall and watch them from a distance. No toys. A child's conception of time passes much slower. For them, it's agonizing. Once they calm down and apologize/recognize the issue, they can go. They mess up again, it's back to the timeout.
Agreed... I hated being put in timeout when I was a kid. 
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deCypher said: To all of you who have had children, is this a reasonable expectation? 
Maybe not, their brains might be too small.
Well if they're really young then you can physically prevent them from doing something bad; otherwise I see no reason why I can't explain why it's bad in terms they'll understand.
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