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bateyes88
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Albino AA+ NOW WITH PICS 2
#14121526 - 03/14/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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So my AA+ cakes and trays are in the FC, and starting to pin. The one that is furthest along has both albino and pigmented fruits. If I am looking to catalog and trade AA+ prints, should I only print the white ones? Or will either (where it is MS, afterall) the albino or pigmented prints have the same chance of producing albinos in future grows?
Is there a difference? Should I label the resulting prints "AA+ from albino", or "AA+ from pigmented" or does it matter?
Edited by bateyes88 (03/17/11 02:29 PM)
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14121576 - 03/14/11 08:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Advice -
Send em over here so I can print them
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: esquaredx]
#14121583 - 03/14/11 08:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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PM your addy and Ill send ya a print. You want a print from a white one or brown one?
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14121631 - 03/14/11 08:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Very interested in hearing a TC's opinion on the matter.
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Whats yours?
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14121655 - 03/14/11 08:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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clone em instead of printing
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14121666 - 03/14/11 08:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I would think that they still could produce albino fruits.
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: esquaredx]
#14121690 - 03/14/11 08:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I want to keep prints for storage, and trading.
My guess is that the brown ones will produce more spores, and be easier to print- and still have equal chance of producing albino offspring.
I have NO IDEA if thats right or not. Call it a semi-educated guess.
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14121700 - 03/14/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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bateyes88 said: Whats yours?
I do not know much about albino cubes, my opinion would only be a guess. Logic says that if you print an albino fruit , the offspring will have a higher percentage of albino fruits then if you printed a regular specimen. This makes sense in my mind but may not be how it actually works.
This is speculation, I could be WAY wrong.
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14121708 - 03/14/11 08:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm gonna print em both anyway cause Im dying to study some white spores. I'm just wondering if there will be differences if I cultivated them both. (Aside from regular MSS differences)
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14121731 - 03/14/11 08:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I totally agree with that logic, evil. But doesn't the fact that its a Multi-spore throw logic out the window? From what Ive learned from other threads, you cant really "print" for traits. You need to clone/isolate. So THAT logic would imply that either print would have equal chance.
But I really have no clue. Any TC's reading tonight???
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14121762 - 03/14/11 08:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You can domesticate cubes by only printing fruits that have your desired characteristics over many many generations as far as I know.
By this logic you could breed out the albino in a variety of cubes if over 10 generations you only printed regular fruits.
This is all speculation from what I have read.
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14121776 - 03/14/11 08:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Edited by mattman (01/07/12 03:05 AM)
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Kinda like making an "isolate" the "long way". That makes sense, too. There is so much conflicting info on here, I get really confused when trying to figure out various topics.(i.e. isolate vs. multi-spore, or today, for example, laminar flow hood vs. HEPA air purifiers)I thought reading books would help. HA! Books are just as conflicting! I guess first-hand knowledge and that of trusted friends, TCs, ect is the way to go. I'm surprised you dont have a tag, evil. Your teks and advice are always sound. And, yer a heck of a good guy to boot. I wish they would up-date The Mushroom Cultivator. Great resource, but could use an updating.(A guy on eBay is selling BRF Jars made to Stamets recipe in T.M.C.! Must have lost a chapter in my copy!)
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14121881 - 03/14/11 09:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for the kind words, although there are plenty of cultivators out there more trusted then I;-).
Do you have a copy of either Mycelium Running or Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms both by Paul?
They have a lot more up to date information, and while the above books do not focus on psilocybes, the techniques and information can be adapted and used for many different active mushrooms.
P.S http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laminar_flow
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laminar_flow_cabinet
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You are trusted for good reasons EM.
I think that BEs concerns are valid, given how rabid some growers seem to be about albinos. Give them an "AA+" print that does not make albino fruits, and they may cry foul.
Wouldn't the idea that one cannot trust the offspring of an albino fruit to be albino kinda break all of our assumptions about genetics?
...you see, I am lost too. ;0)
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I dont have either one- both on my to-get list. Have you ever seen "Whats in a Mushroom" by Richard Norland? He only wrote part 3. Guess he took money for parts 1+2, but never released em.
Why I ask is he names like 30-40 diff Psilocybe strains, anhd 1 made me think of you. P. Quebecensis. Heard of it?
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14121957 - 03/14/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well now I feel better. At least Im not the only one!! lol
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14122010 - 03/14/11 09:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have never heard of that book, but I will keep an eye out. I think I saw an entry of Ps. quebecensis in Paul's Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World.
Iv got what I feel is a nice collection of mycology/counter culture books going. I find reading and learning about mushrooms just about as addicting as growing them!

P.S Thanks for adding to my collection! Both books you sent were a great read. I had them devoured in the first week they got here lol.
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You should grab it if you see it. If hes "reliable", which I think he is (he's one of the original Harvard crowd) then its a great resource. I have never heard of about 80% of the Psilocybe species he mentions. I imagine many have been re-named or re-grouped. IDK. Its a good read, and a good addition to a collection.
Back to the Albinos. Maybe I'll take, say, 5 prints of each and make MSS's, and log the results. If nothing else, it will make good conversation!
I wish RR would chime in his $.02.
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: EvilMushroom666] 1
#14122101 - 03/14/11 09:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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not sure how this would work, because AA+ is not a true albino in the first place...im curious of the answer as well since i have some jars colonizing..
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: biologys]
#14122123 - 03/14/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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biologys said: not sure how this would work, because AA+ is not a true albino in the first place...im curious of the answer as well since i have some jars colonizing..
I forgot it only dropped black/purple spores
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14122137 - 03/14/11 09:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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bateyes88 said: I'm gonna print em both anyway cause Im dying to study some white spores.
Unfortunately you will not get white spores. AA+ is a leucistic mutation and not a true albino, therefore it'll have dark spores/sporeprints.
I'd like to see a picture from the fruits, but in general I'd print them all, and label them AA+. Are those pigmented fruits that much darker/full of colors?
It is interesting, because all the AA+ grows I've had, all the fruitbodies were "albinos". Some examples:

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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: stonesun]
#14122180 - 03/14/11 09:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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God damned are those ever beautiful
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Those are awesome. Someone had pics of an APE grow that were nearly as beautiful.
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Nope. WAY different. There are 2 clusters on the cake. One is very much albino- err, white, and much smaller (even though all appeared at the same time), and the other cluster looks like any other "normal" cube. I have pics, but no way to post em. Hopefully in a few days I can get em up.
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14122292 - 03/14/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I love the pic from sporeworks.com
Unfortunately, I had zero luck w/ both the PE and APE I got from them.
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14122309 - 03/14/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hmmmmm. The white pins are small, but they dont really look like those. The caps are not as pointy as yours. Way more round.
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14122386 - 03/14/11 10:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just went in for another look and took more pics... The pinheads are very round. No point or nipple at all (at least not yet). And they have the blue/green tinge- like the APE pic I posted above- especially where the head and stripe meet. There are 2 good looking ones, and a few -what I think will be- aborts. The "aborts'" caps are 100% blue/green. I will make it a point to post pics asap. Im sure I can borrow a camera somewhere...
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14125155 - 03/15/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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OK. So, today, the pigmented ones are fully opened- or damn close. The white pins are as of yet , unchanged. Im wondering if they are all aborts.
The pigmented ones that are open dont look like they have any spores in the cap. Its pretty clean looking under there- Id be very surprised if they drop a print- but I'll try.
So, I thought maybe the syringe I got had been mislabeled and it was just A+, or anything else, for that matter, and the few white ones WERE true albino aborts. BUT...
Whats even weirder is I have a small tray I made using "CrumbleCake" Tek, with 3 cakes from the same MSS, and that has nothing but white ones. So who the hell knows. I sure dont! I am pretty convinced that the white ones on the first cake ARE aborts and are not going to do much more than they have. Im also SURE that, although I have several strains going, I didn't mis-label the cakes. I use different colored sewing pins to mark each strain. It works awesome- In the past I have lost track of what was what, but, especially now that I trade prints, I make sure I am 100% positive whats what.
Anyhow. I do have pics- should be up in a day or two. Maybe it'll be easier to figure out whats up if y'all can see what I'm talking about. Thanks for the help! You guys all rock!
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14125165 - 03/15/11 02:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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isnt albino a+ not a true albino, so it does have mixed flushes,
that means in order to islolate the albino looking mushroom you'd need to make a clone of the fruit.
my 2c. not sure if im right. correct me if im wrong!
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: stonesun]
#14125171 - 03/15/11 02:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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bateyes88 said: I'm gonna print em both anyway cause Im dying to study some white spores.
Unfortunately you will not get white spores. AA+ is a leucistic mutation and not a true albino, therefore it'll have dark spores/sporeprints.
I'd like to see a picture from the fruits, but in general I'd print them all, and label them AA+. Are those pigmented fruits that much darker/full of colors?
It is interesting, because all the AA+ grows I've had, all the fruitbodies were "albinos". Some examples:


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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14126954 - 03/15/11 07:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I stand corrected. They are dropping (normal purple) spores.
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14131425 - 03/16/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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To Those Of You I Promised An AA+ Print To:
My other cakes and trays are producing ONLY white pins. SO, I dont feel comfortable sending out prints from the cake described above. IDK what happened. I thought I had a fool-proof method of keeping strains separate: I only nocc one strain at a time. Each strain has its own shelf. EVERY jar is labeled. Only one strain D+R'ed at a time. And a marker pin is inserted right after rolling.
I have NO idea why this cake has both types of mushrooms. I REALLY dont think I made a mistake- and I hope you all dont question prints you may have rec'd from me in the past. If I'm NOT- for any reason 100% SURE, I won't send em.
Unless someone specifically wants one of the prints I made (4 of em), and PMs me asking for 1, I'm gonna destroy them tomorrow.
PLEASE know that I have only sent prints out that I am sure of.
I'm sorry.
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14137082 - 03/17/11 02:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Heres a few pics. The quality sucks- taken w/ cellphone, sent to cellfoil w/ bluetooth, sent to a puppet FB, then to here. But, Hopefully you can see the 2 diff fruits...
  
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14138834 - 03/17/11 07:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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BUMP
Anyone have any thoughts? Its eating at me. I feel like my trade reputation is shot now- but I cant figure out what I possibly could have done to mis-label this cake. God, I hope the next flush has white ones, too...
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14139239 - 03/17/11 08:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You are being open about it. I will still trust you. ;0)
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: Javadog]
#14139277 - 03/17/11 08:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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exactly, you're not passing the prints out from the non-white ones...so you're reputation is still in tact :p
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: biologys]
#14142362 - 03/18/11 09:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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if the spores are purple then its not an albino, its just a very white coulored cap. true albinos have white spores. and if you use a spore from those guys even the white ones, you'll still get normal coloured fruit. look in the strains board at your strain, i think its a cross between the true albino and the A+ strain by pf.
i could be wrong tho.
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: jimmyjame1]
#14143620 - 03/18/11 02:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks, guys. Means a lot. I try hard to keep a good name on here, Im having a blast posting and trading on here. I fully understand how important it is to know what Im sending out is what Im claiming it is. If Im not sure- Im not sending it
I cant wait to see what flush2 brings. Ill post when it happens.
I appreciate your faith, guys. Thanks.
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: bateyes88]
#14143632 - 03/18/11 02:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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my AA+ turned green on me today, was going to GLC it 
oh well time to put it on agar and get some clean cultures.
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Re: Making an Albino A+ print... Advice? [Re: jimmyjame1]
#14145657 - 03/18/11 09:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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"If the spores are purple then its not an albino"
This is true, but AA+ are not true albinos. Even the white caps will drop purple spores.
...or this is what I read. I have a print of AA+ but am deep in Mexicanae right now.
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