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Meat eaters/vegatarian topic.
#14120878 - 03/14/11 06:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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some girl on facebook said shes a pescatarian on a status then she said :
"its actually bad to eat meat every day ,you should eat at least twice a week cause it takes a lot of energy and work for your stomach to digest the food so if you're eating meat with vegetables your stomach will push aside the vegetables and try to digest the meat and thats not good"
I asked to explain further because It didn't make sense to me, and she said:
"no sea food is lighter and meat has more fat and sea food is overall healthier , no the vegetables will just get stored and it will be like you didn't eat them at all ,so its good to separate your food and not eat meat every day"
how wrong is she? Or am I wrong?
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Zardos]
#14120917 - 03/14/11 06:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Im a pescatarian(macrobiotic actually) myself and I think she has the right idea but is just horrible with words and explaining things, nor does she really understand why she is doing it but her intent is good and i think she' in tuned with her body enough to feel all of this but mentally she is not all there. She sounds like an idiot and seafood IS meat, but seafood is also much heavier than vegetables and i agree that it's not something that needs to be eaten everyday.
Vegetables do not get "stored" and it will not be like you didnt eat them at all.
I was a 6 year vegetarian and a 2 year vegan before i opted to go macrobiotic. I do not eat eggs or dairy but I eat fish once or twice a week.
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Macrobiotics vs. vegetarianism
A macrobiotic diet includes many of the same foods as vegetarian diets, but in macrobiotics some types of fish and other animal foods are included according to individual needs. The two dietary styles share enough similarities that a vegetarian and even vegan version of macrobiotics is not uncommon.
Macrobiotics is based on traditional ways of eating . While there are no completely vegan cultures among them, the longest-lived cultures around the world consume between 70% and 99% whole plant foods, according to John Robbins, a well-known vegan advocate and animal rights activist, in Healthy at 100. The American Dietetic Association approves of carefully planned vegan diets. In the words of the Association, "Well-planned vegan and other types of vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including during pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence.... It is the position of the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada that appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases."[11] However, as part of their dietary guidelines, the association did not opine against meat consumption, recommending that healthy adults eat lean meat, poultry, fish or beans each day, as lean meat has many essential nutrients without excess fat or cholesterol.[12]
On the other hand, according to the USDA's discussion of its current food pyramid, "Dry beans and peas are part of this [meat and beans] group as well as the vegetable group. ... Fish, nuts, and seeds contain healthy oils, so choose these foods frequently instead of meat or poultry."[13] Under the heading "Why is it important to include fish, nuts, and seeds?" they say, "Many people do not make varied choices from this food group, selecting meat or poultry everyday as their main dishes."[14]
Conclusion: you are both wrong. Meat does not push vegetables out of the way in the stomach but it DOES take longer to digest and sorta slows you down while it's being digested. However it creates more energy once it IS digested. A vegetarian diet is going to give you more energy more of the time but its a more subtle energy as where a meat heavy diet is going to give you bursts of energy then you'll feel drained.
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Zardos]
#14120952 - 03/14/11 06:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i think once you chewed everything your stommy doesnt care whats in that mash up. true is that your stomach takes way longer to digest meat (i think its because the breakdown of the proteins and fats, but i'm not sure).
edit well played mr.muscaria.
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im skinny as fuck and if i dont eat some kind of meat everyday my skeleton would be visible through my skin
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Envix]
#14121035 - 03/14/11 06:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's a common misconception. I know not one but two vegetarians who are 300+ lbs. These arent people who just recently became vegetarian for health reasons either, these are like long term been for over 5 years vegetarians.
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that's unusual
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Envix]
#14121061 - 03/14/11 06:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i dont even care about this article and i was a vegetarian for awhile................now im not and ive gotten fatter, it sux.
i need to go on a chink diet asap.
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MisterMuscaria said: Conclusion: you are both wrong. Meat does not push vegetables out of the way in the stomach but it DOES take longer to digest and sorta slows you down while it's being digested.
nope... most foods take 3-4 hours to digest including meats, foods higher in sugars will give you the short bursts of energy while foods like meats help to build and maintain muscle mass as well as provide a lot of other nutrients, some veggies are difficult to digest and nutrients arent always bioavailable through veggies
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Prisoner#1] 2
#14121090 - 03/14/11 06:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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vegetarians are retarded
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Zardos]
#14121097 - 03/14/11 06:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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now im hungry
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Abuse] 1
#14121103 - 03/14/11 06:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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These are my very favorite threads. 20 pages of rage are coming.
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: blewmeanie]
#14121113 - 03/14/11 06:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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blewmeanie said: These are my very favorite threads. 20 pages of rage are coming.
Don't get why people are so sensitive about others diets
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Abuse]
#14121129 - 03/14/11 06:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's what happens when you feminize yourself with an unhealthy diet free of the meat you require. You start acting all womanly and offended by everything other people do.
Just kidding, I'm only fanning the flames.
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Envix] 1
#14121135 - 03/14/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Envix said: im skinny as fuck and if i dont eat some kind of meat everyday my skeleton would be visible through my skin
Sounds like bullshit to me. Im skinny as fuck too, and can do well on a low meat diet.
Americans will invent any excuse they can to justify over eating meat. The best ratio for an individual may vary, buts its sure as hell not the main course of two meals a day every day.
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: DieCommie]
#14121156 - 03/14/11 07:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Typical liberal gaia worshiping rhetoric. Take your shoeless free love cult elsewhere hippie. 
I actually completely agree with you. I've found that about once or twice a week seems to suit me best.
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: blewmeanie]
#14121168 - 03/14/11 07:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I generally eat meat every day, but usually in one meal only and in a smaller portion than my grains and vegetables. That is probably even more than I 'need', but I like it.
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: DieCommie]
#14121198 - 03/14/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i don't eat meat every day but that's mainly because i can't afford it
and i know how certain foods affect me because well, i see my body every day
remember the pyramid

basically i see it like this..
meat = protein fruits & veggies = vitamins grains & nuts = fiber bread & starches = carbs dairy & eggs = fats
protein builds muscles & regenerates cells vitamins keep u healthy fiber helps u poop & keep ur system clean carbs keep u energized fats builds fats
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Abuse]
#14121225 - 03/14/11 07:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have experimented with being vegetarian, and whatever people say about being vegatarian is more healthy is a lot of BS. Though its good to eat lots of vegetablesm, meat is a excellent source of energy and protien. When i was vegetarian i got pretty skinny, i was tierd all the time, and got really judgmental of others. My sex drive decreased significantly, and i was extremly sensitive to cold weather. It was difficult to make it through the winter. Vegetarianism is basically a religioun to a lot of people and if you feel healthy on it then its good. But know some people CANNOT do it because of their genetics and there body types. I cannot be vegetarian and i tried it. It really sucks to be hungry all the time, people that say vegetarian is the only way should be slapped in the face.
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Envix]
#14121240 - 03/14/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I dont care if meat eaters want to eat meat but I always find it funny how some meat eaters seem genuinely pissed that someone doesnt eat meat hahaha. Vice versa too.
Imo there's nothing wrong with eating meat thats your choice, its the amount that is fucked up. Meat should be a side dish not a main course.
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Hakim0777]
#14121243 - 03/14/11 07:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i don't see why anyone would care what other people eat
i only care about what i eat
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Abuse]
#14121255 - 03/14/11 07:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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blewmeanie said: These are my very favorite threads. 20 pages of rage are coming.
Don't get why people are so sensitive about others diets 
because if you dont eat what I eat you're unhealthy and I'm a nazi that says you have to or else you're a murdererer!
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Hakim0777]
#14121262 - 03/14/11 07:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hakim0777 said: Meat should be a side dish not a main course.
if we are what we eat then cows are vegetables and that makes me a vegetarian
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14121266 - 03/14/11 07:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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cannibals are the healthiest peoples of them all
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Envix]
#14121267 - 03/14/11 07:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The blanket statement:
A diet is a diet.
There are diets around the world that consist of eating mostly meat as a traditional form of food and the cultures that eat that have been healthier than the average American.
Its not about meat or not meat, or fat or not fat, its about following an eating pattern that your own body is comfortable with and sticking with it. The best thing to do is eat FOOD, and not food science (processed stuff disguised as natural food).
We all know vegetarians that have no energy, and we all know people that eat meat that are skinny as hell somehow. This debate is only existent because everyone thinks they are correct when it comes to diet for some reason, as if everyone has a similar lifestyle.
Eat what you eat if it works for you, fuck people that want you to change because they are assholes.
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Envix]
#14121270 - 03/14/11 07:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Envix said: fats builds fats
fats are essential
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Envix]
#14121272 - 03/14/11 07:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Envix said: cannibals are the healthiest peoples of them all 
I like to call it proper Hutrition
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Drewwyann]
#14121280 - 03/14/11 07:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i never really understood eating patterns. you should just eat whatever you want to
but be conscious of the knowledge available to you about nutrition and incorporate healthy foods that you enjoy into your eating habits
the problem i think with most people is they're prone to patterns. and avoid trying new things
the best "diet" is one with lots of variety
light as possible, and fresh as possible
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Envix] 1
#14121306 - 03/14/11 07:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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100% red meat diet or GTFO
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Envix]
#14121312 - 03/14/11 07:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Envix said: i never really understood eating patterns. you should just eat whatever you want to
but be conscious of the knowledge available to you about nutrition and incorporate healthy foods that you enjoy into your eating habits
the problem i think with most people is they're prone to patterns. and avoid trying new things
the best "diet" is one with lots of variety
nutritionISM is an ISM for a reason. It is based off of things that are invisible and are supposedly good for your health, but nutritionism has only realy existed for the past 50 or so years. People have been eating food technically since we werent even human beings. Fat is good for you, carbs and protein have both been 'proven' to be extremely healthy and bad for you in the past 40 years.
Look at cultures with traditional foods that cook for themselves and have virtually no obesity and you will see trends. They eat the same foods consistently with variation, but everyone have patterns. You get pizza monday, tuesday salad for lunch, friday burger and fries, etc etc etc. Nobody actually eats completely different stuff every day, we all have eating patterns 
Edit: I word things poorly sometimes. Animal fats are not bad fats, they are part of a natural human diet. My point is that no foods from nature are actually bad for you in many quantities if they are truly natural, but lifestyle comes into play as much or more so than the food as well as personal eating habits.
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Drewwyann]
#14121333 - 03/14/11 07:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Seems relevant.
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: blewmeanie]
#14121347 - 03/14/11 07:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Drewwyann]
#14121348 - 03/14/11 07:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Drewwyann said: but nutritionism has only realy existed for the past 50 or so years.
that's also about as long as its been since they started poisoning the human food supply through corporatism and manufacturing/selling by-processed crap to the masses
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Envix]
#14121382 - 03/14/11 07:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Drewwyann said: but nutritionism has only realy existed for the past 50 or so years.
that's also about as long as they started poisoning the human food supply through corporatism and manufacturing/selling by-processed crap to the masses
exactly, the two go hand in hand actually. nutritionism largely justifies and gives way to processed foods to be disguised as actual foods, when in reality they are NUTRIENTS put together to look like a natural product.
In 1938 they passed a law that any imitation food product had to be labelled 'imitation' on the package. in 1978, the FDA (not the congress that passed the Imitation Act) repealed the act and now things such as 'low carb spaghetti' can be called spaghetti, even though it is a mish mash of ingredients that resemble a once natural food.
nutrition labels also allow this to happen by showing us how 'nutritious' a manufactured food is when in reality you should just eat some normal, grown from the earth food and stop worrying about the fictitious 'nutrional' information of the food.
What is healthy about celery? there are no nutrients to speak of, yet it is good for you because of how it is structured, and the amount of water in it. Most people could get all they need in a day from a few handfuls of food if they do it correctly.
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: PreparationH]
#14121391 - 03/14/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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PreparationH said: 100% red meat diet or GTFO
been there, done that... I was healthy until I started eating veggies, not the cow type veggies but the other kind like the bunnies eat
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: wwonka]
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I've been living without starchy foods for the past month and I have to say I think it's the optimal diet for athletes. All my energy is derived from proteins and fats with veggies being my only source of sugars alongside the occasional fruit.
A lot of nutritional information is twisted and morphed into the most bizarre logical deductions. Take the new raw food diet, I tried it for a few days out of curiosity and I felt almost no energy and could barely move. All the people I've known who have been on that diet seem weak and mentally unstable as well.
Even common knowledge and the food pyramind is shit.
Eat lots of veggies, meat, and fat. That's what your body has evolved to eat over the past million years. Go try eating some raw grains and see how well you fare off.
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: MoxyOx]
#14122469 - 03/14/11 10:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I pretty much eat like a robot and my diet is iight, be better if I had the money but it is probably 60% carbs, 25% protein, and 15% fats maybe even less.
Use www.fitday.com if you care to track that shit.
How can you claim you get the most energy from protein when it's carbs that fill your glycogen stores?
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: PreparationH]
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I really don't want to bother going into the science of it because the human body is still not completely understood and any attempts at biological models that aid in understanding it are inadequate. Plus, I'm not too knowledgeable when it comes to human physiology. :P
I'm simply going by how I feel. Many people have had success with this, and so have I. It makes total sense through an evolutionary scope as well.
When the advent of agriculture began and most of human cultures started farming wheat/sugars/rice is also the period when the bone density and stature along with health of each individual human began to decline. Starchy foods give you a false feeling of health it seems to me. It has a tendency to mask underlying issues.
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"I really don't want to bother going into the science of it"
nuff said.
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: PreparationH]
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All I know is that both of my parents go on the Atkins meat diet when they get overweight (cut out carbs and stick to high-protein foods) and it works really well for them.
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: deCypher]
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: PreparationH]
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From that link:
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These diets can cause a quick drop in weight because eliminating carbohydrates causes a loss of body fluids. Lowering carbohydrate intake also prevents the body from completely burning fat. In the diets that are also high in protein, substances called ketones are formed and released into the bloodstream, a condition called ketosis. It makes dieting easier because it lowers appetite and may cause nausea.
It's not too healthy to do for long periods of time though, as that article states.
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: PreparationH]
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PreparationH said: "I really don't want to bother going into the science of it"
nuff said.
Enough said about what? Grains have more anti-nutrients and are nutritionally devoid so why bother eating them?
Oh yea, because you need the "energy". Sorry, but your body doesn't use sugar as its main energy supply. Maybe small microbial bacteria and simpler organisms do such as your cells, but to actually function there are more mechanics to it than a simple stroke of the sugary wand of eager and naive scientific studies to wash away all our body's function. The fact of the matter is we still do not completely understand how most of the biological organisms work. I'm relying on years of evolution and cultural studies that show that the healthiest populations are those that eat the most saturated fats and protein alongside healthy supplements of vegetables. What does the population around you show though? I see maybe one in a hundred people who I would consider healthy. The rest are either too weak, too sensitive, or too dead to even be considered human.
Take a read through this: http://beyondveg.com/nicholson-w/hb/hb-interview1a.shtml
I didn't want to link anything because I had a feeling no one would bother reading it. But since you're so eager to call me out, then this will have to suffice for now.
Also, the moment I realized how generally retarded our government's programs and system is(FDA and many others...ahem AHA), is the moment I started becoming a better human being. Have you actually even read any of these studies they link to? Take a moment to really go in depth and critique their methods, some tend to be rather faulty.
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: MoxyOx]
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edit: fixing
Edited by PreparationH (03/15/11 12:33 AM)
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: PreparationH]
#14123754 - 03/15/11 05:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i think if everybody would just use some common sense about their diet we wouldnt have this discussion over and over.
but the truth is that most people dont think at all or think wrong about what they eat. like the thread some weeks ago where OP wanted to switch to vegetarian by substituition of the meat in burgers/hot dogs with meatless equivalents. that's pretty much bullshit. imho you dont have to change WHAT you eat in the first place, but the way you think about food, the way you celebrate it and the way you think about "losing a few pounds". it's not like vegetarism makes you skinny because you just eat things that largely consist of water. there are plenty of options in a diet but most people don't realize that because they're so stuck with what you can buy at McDonald's or starbucks or whatnot (again, i'm not talking about you shroomerites, but John Doe). i think it's drugging and brain washing that led people to have false assumptions about what they need and what tastes good and how jewish vegetarians want to conquer the world.
> eat what you fucking want. to-the-core vegetarians do that too. most of them dont want to avoid being fat by eating no meat, because it doesnt work that way. meat DOES have good nutrients, but it's not like you can't substitute them with other stuff. if you're a meat eater and encounter a vegetarian, don't feel offended, for crying out loud, not everyone is a missionary. maybe you could learn a thing or too about food, i guess most vegetarians have a lot more knowledge about this than "normal" eaters that mostly dont question their diet at all.
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I eat whatever, and I keep gaining weight because I don't move my ass enough. I don't care about what anyone else eats, and I don't mind vegetarians at all, however I do hate it when either vegetarians or meatheads try to get each other to switch over to the "right" way of eating. I mean, wtf, eating isn't a fucking religion.
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Zardos]
#14123825 - 03/15/11 06:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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im veggytarian & lactose intolerant. this basically makes me Vegan but its hard to keep away from cheese & yogurt sauce
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: MoxyOx]
#14123867 - 03/15/11 06:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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MoxyOx said: When the advent of agriculture began and most of human cultures started farming wheat/sugars/rice is also the period when the bone density and stature along with health of each individual human began to decline. Starchy foods give you a false feeling of health it seems to me. It has a tendency to mask underlying issues.
there's several theories about the beginnings of agriculture one being the domestication of sheep and dogs followed by the planting of grains and lentils and others claiming the opposite with all kinds of foods being the first cultivate by man including figs
we dont really know because archeology like any other science is still a bit of guesswork, we can only go by what we find and try to work from there
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: MoxyOx]
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MoxyOx said:
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PreparationH said: "I really don't want to bother going into the science of it"
nuff said.
Enough said about what? Grains have more anti-nutrients and are nutritionally devoid so why bother eating them?
Oh yea, because you need the "energy". Sorry, but your body doesn't use sugar as its main energy supply. Maybe small microbial bacteria and simpler organisms do such as your cells, but to actually function there are more mechanics to it than a simple stroke of the sugary wand of eager and naive scientific studies to wash away all our body's function. The fact of the matter is we still do not completely understand how most of the biological organisms work. I'm relying on years of evolution and cultural studies that show that the healthiest populations are those that eat the most saturated fats and protein alongside healthy supplements of vegetables. What does the population around you show though? I see maybe one in a hundred people who I would consider healthy. The rest are either too weak, too sensitive, or too dead to even be considered human.
Take a read through this: http://beyondveg.com/nicholson-w/hb/hb-interview1a.shtml
I didn't want to link anything because I had a feeling no one would bother reading it. But since you're so eager to call me out, then this will have to suffice for now.
Also, the moment I realized how generally retarded our government's programs and system is(FDA and many others...ahem AHA), is the moment I started becoming a better human being. Have you actually even read any of these studies they link to? Take a moment to really go in depth and critique their methods, some tend to be rather faulty.
The recommended amount of vitamins and minerals we are suppose to eat is merely an guess based on what healthy people ate around that time, and the caloric/nutrition information found is based on tests done quite a few years ago. If I recall more than a decade.
People defend carbohydrates to not end, and the only good purpose eating them has served a population is to expand and not starve. The health consequences can be observed in the past and today.
The last school I was at was a culinary one, with nutrition majors learning conventional nutrition. The senior students would always try to rip me a new one since I follow a ketogenic diet out of choice and not because of epileptic dietary restraints. They are good at memorizing 'facts' in a book and from professors, but they have yet to think for themselves.
One of the things I recommend to people having bad nightmares is to one:eliminate light in their room, and two reduce their overall intake of sugar/carbs especially anywhere near bedtime. The fluctuation in blood sugar has caused me night terrors in the past, or once in awhile when it is my birthday and they insist on a cake binge.
Beyond that, most 'vegetarians' couldn't stand anything not sugar laden. Spirulina, a complete protein with b12 analogs and not true b12, is a blue green algae that used to be added to soups in some mexican food in times of need. The stuff tastes terrible, horrible. The smell of it in powder form has caused a friend to literally vomit. I used to eat that stuff for a bit to see if my health changed any since it was pretty much carb free for the most part. I didn't notice a difference a single bit, and grew tired of waking up to that smell. Literally like having oral sex to a bar of iron (hell I think a tablespoon has the supposed 20% iron for the day). Give that type of food to a vegetarian and watch them barf.
Every person I convinced to try a ketogenic diet for a long enough time in the proper way, has recovered from acid reflux issues. I still have vegetarian friends who about to start taking pills because they will not try something else first.
Deep down, every vegetarian I have met was either completely misinformed and never opened up a single useful reference or has alternative motives. The one gal, will not eat 'cute' animals or ones that could be 'pets'. Covered with faux knowledge of science, she considers her diet healthy even though she could never have children unless she ups her body fat in a proper way.
People call me bullheaded in public for being confident in what I say, and I never claim to be the be all end all of knowledge on the subject by any means. Yet they get mad because they would rather argue with emotion like they do in politics or any of their subject matter. Someone doesn't convince me by insulting me, especially if they go out of their way to tell me what I do is going to cause me a heart attack. My dad had a heart attack, and it isn't because there is anything similar that the two of us did. He's gone now, and cannot censor what I say on the topic anymore.
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Lennyk]
#14124572 - 03/15/11 11:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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if you eat a ketogenic diet, what color are your turds?
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: PreparationH]
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I would shit twice a day when I ate lots of carbs. My poop was never fully digested either.
When I was on the raw foods diet it was always green and once again, never fully digested.
Now, my poop is thick, brown and creamy. As well, rarely do I ever poop more than once every other day. It feels... normal!
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Hakim0777]
#14129688 - 03/16/11 09:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hakim0777 said: I dont care if meat eaters want to eat meat but I always find it funny how some meat eaters seem genuinely pissed that someone doesnt eat meat hahaha. Vice versa too.
Imo there's nothing wrong with eating meat thats your choice, its the amount that is fucked up. Meat should be a side dish not a main course.
I know.. I have a friend that is pretty pissed that I'm a veggie.
Oh and Envix.. fat vegetarians isn't that strange, because cheese is vegetarian.
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Brugman]
#14129751 - 03/16/11 09:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Brugman said: Oh and Envix.. fat vegetarians isn't that strange, because cheese is vegetarian.
Most cheese isn't http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rennet
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: Lennyk]
#14130200 - 03/16/11 11:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lennyk said:
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MoxyOx said:
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PreparationH said: "I really don't want to bother going into the science of it"
nuff said.
Enough said about what? Grains have more anti-nutrients and are nutritionally devoid so why bother eating them?
Oh yea, because you need the "energy". Sorry, but your body doesn't use sugar as its main energy supply. Maybe small microbial bacteria and simpler organisms do such as your cells, but to actually function there are more mechanics to it than a simple stroke of the sugary wand of eager and naive scientific studies to wash away all our body's function. The fact of the matter is we still do not completely understand how most of the biological organisms work. I'm relying on years of evolution and cultural studies that show that the healthiest populations are those that eat the most saturated fats and protein alongside healthy supplements of vegetables. What does the population around you show though? I see maybe one in a hundred people who I would consider healthy. The rest are either too weak, too sensitive, or too dead to even be considered human.
Take a read through this: http://beyondveg.com/nicholson-w/hb/hb-interview1a.shtml
I didn't want to link anything because I had a feeling no one would bother reading it. But since you're so eager to call me out, then this will have to suffice for now.
Also, the moment I realized how generally retarded our government's programs and system is(FDA and many others...ahem AHA), is the moment I started becoming a better human being. Have you actually even read any of these studies they link to? Take a moment to really go in depth and critique their methods, some tend to be rather faulty.
The recommended amount of vitamins and minerals we are suppose to eat is merely an guess based on what healthy people ate around that time, and the caloric/nutrition information found is based on tests done quite a few years ago. If I recall more than a decade.
People defend carbohydrates to not end, and the only good purpose eating them has served a population is to expand and not starve. The health consequences can be observed in the past and today.
The last school I was at was a culinary one, with nutrition majors learning conventional nutrition. The senior students would always try to rip me a new one since I follow a ketogenic diet out of choice and not because of epileptic dietary restraints. They are good at memorizing 'facts' in a book and from professors, but they have yet to think for themselves.
One of the things I recommend to people having bad nightmares is to one:eliminate light in their room, and two reduce their overall intake of sugar/carbs especially anywhere near bedtime. The fluctuation in blood sugar has caused me night terrors in the past, or once in awhile when it is my birthday and they insist on a cake binge.
Beyond that, most 'vegetarians' couldn't stand anything not sugar laden. Spirulina, a complete protein with b12 analogs and not true b12, is a blue green algae that used to be added to soups in some mexican food in times of need. The stuff tastes terrible, horrible. The smell of it in powder form has caused a friend to literally vomit. I used to eat that stuff for a bit to see if my health changed any since it was pretty much carb free for the most part. I didn't notice a difference a single bit, and grew tired of waking up to that smell. Literally like having oral sex to a bar of iron (hell I think a tablespoon has the supposed 20% iron for the day). Give that type of food to a vegetarian and watch them barf.
Every person I convinced to try a ketogenic diet for a long enough time in the proper way, has recovered from acid reflux issues. I still have vegetarian friends who about to start taking pills because they will not try something else first.
Deep down, every vegetarian I have met was either completely misinformed and never opened up a single useful reference or has alternative motives. The one gal, will not eat 'cute' animals or ones that could be 'pets'. Covered with faux knowledge of science, she considers her diet healthy even though she could never have children unless she ups her body fat in a proper way.
People call me bullheaded in public for being confident in what I say, and I never claim to be the be all end all of knowledge on the subject by any means. Yet they get mad because they would rather argue with emotion like they do in politics or any of their subject matter. Someone doesn't convince me by insulting me, especially if they go out of their way to tell me what I do is going to cause me a heart attack. My dad had a heart attack, and it isn't because there is anything similar that the two of us did. He's gone now, and cannot censor what I say on the topic anymore.
wooooow. Ok Im a vegitarian who occasional eats fish, not only do I get all the vitamins I need I also get 50+ grams of protien a day and Am and feel completely healthy. Im not missing out on anything by eating meat and sticking to low carbs. 
If thats your dietary choice more power to you, But Im doing just fine with mine.
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Re: Meat eaters/vegatarian topic. [Re: pfxtc]
#14130260 - 03/16/11 11:39 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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pfxtc said: vegetarians are retarded

Really? another one of these threads?
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