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Re: If any of you had any doubt that the people representing you are owned by unions..... [Re: Poid]
    #14129759 - 03/16/11 09:38 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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One thing that has been made abundantly clear throughout history is that socialism is an abject failure.  Most people stop striving.  Happens every time.


Striving for what?




Whatever they want. 
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The Rise of the Mediocrity is upon us.


All hail mediocrity! :bowdown:




Yipee!


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Re: If any of you had any doubt that the people representing you are owned by unions..... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14129779 - 03/16/11 09:45 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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One thing that has been made abundantly clear throughout history is that socialism is an abject failure.  Most people stop striving.  Happens every time.


Striving for what?




Whatever they want.


Um, I know this sounds fucking crazy, but what if, by some tiny sliver of a chance, they want and are content with what they have, even if it's mediocre? :ooo:


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All hail mediocrity! :bowdown:




Yipee!


What a mediocre reply. :yawn:

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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: If any of you had any doubt that the people representing you are owned by unions..... [Re: Poid]
    #14129800 - 03/16/11 09:50 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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One thing that has been made abundantly clear throughout history is that socialism is an abject failure.  Most people stop striving.  Happens every time.


Striving for what?




Whatever they want.


Um, I know this sounds fucking crazy, but what if, by some tiny sliver of a chance, they want and are content with what they have, even if it's mediocre? :ooo:




Then that is what they are striving for.  Do you have a point?
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The Rise of the Mediocrity is upon us.


All hail mediocrity! :bowdown:




Yipee!


What a mediocre reply. :yawn:

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It was vastly superior to what I replied to.


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Re: If any of you had any doubt that the people representing you are owned by unions..... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14129830 - 03/16/11 09:57 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Um, I know this sounds fucking crazy, but what if, by some tiny sliver of a chance, they want and are content with what they have, even if it's mediocre? :ooo:




Then that is what they are striving for.  Do you have a point?


Well you said "people stop striving" as if you expect people to constantly strive for things, even if they have all they need; who cares if socialism causes people to stop striving, especially if they are given everything they need?


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What a mediocre reply. :yawn:

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It was vastly superior to what I replied to.


Nah, not vastly.


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Re: If any of you had any doubt that the people representing you are owned by unions..... [Re: Poid]
    #14129848 - 03/16/11 10:02 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I'd speculate zappers is pissed at unions because the union-represented lady at the welfare office turned down his extension application.  After all, sitting in front of a computer for 18 hours a day bitching about politics instead of actually getting out and working for a living doesn't qualify under the 'welfare to work' statute. :wink:

The union members in Wisconsin are actually working for a living, and after they agreed to fund the governors tax cut to corporations paid for with their salary and benefit cuts, he still wasn't satisfied, so he broke the open meetings law and quorum requirements in order to implement his corporate agenda, which by his own admission is to cut off a supreme court authorized funding source for the Democratic party.  You'll note he made no such attempts to deny business the right to join the chamber of commerce, a major Republican funding source.

Of course, no corporation would hire an internet addicted keyboard flamer either, so you don't appear able to get a job whether there's unions or not. :lol:
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Re: If any of you had any doubt that the people representing you are owned by unions..... [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14129880 - 03/16/11 10:09 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I'd speculate zappers is pissed at unions because the union-represented lady at the welfare office turned down his extension application.  After all, sitting in front of a computer for 18 hours a day bitching about politics instead of actually getting out and working for a living doesn't qualify under the 'welfare to work' statute. :wink:


Wait, you don't believe he's rich? That would make some sense, I've seen a picture of him drinking a Budweiser...:strokebeard:


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: If any of you had any doubt that the people representing you are owned by unions..... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14129987 - 03/16/11 10:38 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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The Rise of the Mediocrity is upon us.




Let's say you have 2 authors.  One writes trashy, cheesy novels with no literary value, but they sell well and he becomes a millionaire.  The 2nd author writes scholarly books which are highly praised by critics but they don't sell well and he earns about $40,000 a year.

According to you, the 1st author is a winner and the 2nd is a loser, even though the 2nd author's quality of work is superior.  The millionaire author is actually perpetuating the mediocrity, yet HE'S the WINNER? :tongue:

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Re: If any of you had any doubt that the people representing you are owned by unions..... [Re: RogerRabbit] * 1
    #14130150 - 03/16/11 11:11 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I'd speculate zappers is pissed at unions because the union-represented lady at the welfare office turned down his extension application.  After all, sitting in front of a computer for 18 hours a day bitching about politics instead of actually getting out and working for a living doesn't qualify under the 'welfare to work' statute. :wink:



My what a snippy little personal bitchfest you have in your head.  Like a leetle girl.  Stay classy, Rogerina.
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The union members in Wisconsin are actually working for a living, and after they agreed to fund the governors tax cut to corporations paid for with their salary and benefit cuts, he still wasn't satisfied, so he broke the open meetings law and quorum requirements in order to implement his corporate agenda, which by his own admission is to cut off a supreme court authorized funding source for the Democratic party.  You'll note he made no such attempts to deny business the right to join the chamber of commerce, a major Republican funding source.




He didn't break the open meetings law Rog nor did he break the quorum requirements.  More ignorance of facts from Rogerina.  Are you getting your degree from the Kos School of Legal Jurisprudence any time soon?  What does voluntary association in the Chamber of Commerce have to do with involuntary association and membership in a union?  Not a whole lot.
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Of course, no corporation would hire an internet addicted keyboard flamer either, so you don't appear able to get a job whether there's unions or not. :lol:
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More leetle girl from Rogerina.  You're sooo cute when you pout.  Like Hello Kitty or, maybe, Boxxy.  Yeah, that's it, Boxxy.  Now run along and be mean to newb mushroom growers.  It's an important job.


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Re: If any of you had any doubt that the people representing you are owned by unions..... [Re: Poid]
    #14130153 - 03/16/11 11:12 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I'd speculate zappers is pissed at unions because the union-represented lady at the welfare office turned down his extension application.  After all, sitting in front of a computer for 18 hours a day bitching about politics instead of actually getting out and working for a living doesn't qualify under the 'welfare to work' statute. :wink:


Wait, you don't believe he's rich? That would make some sense, I've seen a picture of him drinking a Budweiser...:strokebeard:



I like Budweiser.


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Re: If any of you had any doubt that the people representing you are owned by unions..... [Re: HippieChick8]
    #14130174 - 03/16/11 11:17 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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The Rise of the Mediocrity is upon us.




Let's say you have 2 authors.  One writes trashy, cheesy novels with no literary value, but they sell well and he becomes a millionaire.  The 2nd author writes scholarly books which are highly praised by critics but they don't sell well and he earns about $40,000 a year.

According to you, the 1st author is a winner and the 2nd is a loser, even though the 2nd author's quality of work is superior.  The millionaire author is actually perpetuating the mediocrity, yet HE'S the WINNER? :tongue:




My what a little snob you are.  Books that a lot of people want to read are trashy cheesy crap while something nobody wants to read is elevated to some rarefied status because effete twats with no use except to criticize believe they are magical?

Can you write a trashy cheesy novel that will sell millions of copies?  No you fucking can't. :tongue:


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Re: If any of you had any doubt that the people representing you are owned by unions..... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14130203 - 03/16/11 11:25 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Of course, no corporation would hire an internet addicted keyboard flamer either, so you don't appear able to get a job whether there's unions or not. :lol:
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More leetle girl from Rogerina.  You're sooo cute when you pout.  Like Hello Kitty or, maybe, Boxxy.  Yeah, that's it, Boxxy.  Now run along and be mean to newb mushroom growers.  It's an important job.


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: If any of you had any doubt that the people representing you are owned by unions..... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14130230 - 03/16/11 11:33 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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The Rise of the Mediocrity is upon us.




Let's say you have 2 authors.  One writes trashy, cheesy novels with no literary value, but they sell well and he becomes a millionaire.  The 2nd author writes scholarly books which are highly praised by critics but they don't sell well and he earns about $40,000 a year.

According to you, the 1st author is a winner and the 2nd is a loser, even though the 2nd author's quality of work is superior.  The millionaire author is actually perpetuating the mediocrity, yet HE'S the WINNER? :tongue:




My what a little snob you are.  Books that a lot of people want to read are trashy cheesy crap while something nobody wants to read is elevated to some rarefied status because effete twats with no use except to criticize believe they are magical?

Can you write a trashy cheesy novel that will sell millions of copies?  No you fucking can't. :tongue:




I actually wasn't trying to be a snob. :confused: So you think books such as Harlequin Romances have great literary value and the people who write them believe that as well?  You don't think they are just catering to the masses? 

What about the Jerry Springer Show, do you think that's an example of intellectually superior TV programming?  I saw an interview of Jerry Springer and he said he knows his show is a piece of garbage that he would never care to watch, but he does it for the money.  So he is PERPETUATING the MEDIOCRITY.  Yet you declare him a winner because he is adept at exploiting the masses of sheople? 

Books and TV shows that the great majority of people want to read and watch seem superficial and mediocre to me.  You are actually FOR mediocrity if you think any piece of "art" that caters to the masses is a quality piece of work JUST BECAUSE it sells well.

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Re: If any of you had any doubt that the people representing you are owned by unions..... [Re: HippieChick8]
    #14130276 - 03/16/11 11:43 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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The Rise of the Mediocrity is upon us.




Let's say you have 2 authors.  One writes trashy, cheesy novels with no literary value, but they sell well and he becomes a millionaire.  The 2nd author writes scholarly books which are highly praised by critics but they don't sell well and he earns about $40,000 a year.

According to you, the 1st author is a winner and the 2nd is a loser, even though the 2nd author's quality of work is superior.  The millionaire author is actually perpetuating the mediocrity, yet HE'S the WINNER? :tongue:




My what a little snob you are.  Books that a lot of people want to read are trashy cheesy crap while something nobody wants to read is elevated to some rarefied status because effete twats with no use except to criticize believe they are magical?

Can you write a trashy cheesy novel that will sell millions of copies?  No you fucking can't. :tongue:




I actually wasn't trying to be a snob. :confused: So you think books such as Harlequin Romances have great literary value and the people who write them believe that as well?  You don't think they are just catering to the masses?




They certainly have great entertainment value.  I don't read them but I'm not going to put my nose in the air about people who do.  What is wrong with catering to the masses?  The masses are people, too, you know.
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What about the Jerry Springer Show, do you think that's an example of intellectually superior TV programming?  I saw an interview of Jerry Springer and he said he knows his show is a piece of garbage that he would never care to watch, but he does it for the money.  So he is PERPETUATING the MEDIOCRITY.  Yet you declare him a winner because he is adept at exploiting the masses of sheople?




Who's exploiting who?  He certainly didn't create the idiots who watch his show.  He entertains them.  So what?
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Books and TV shows that the great majority of people want to read and watch seem superficial and mediocre to me.  You are actually FOR mediocrity if you think any piece of "art" that caters to the masses is a quality piece of work JUST BECAUSE it sells well.




Quality is subjective.  You wanna be the Kulture Kop?  Tsk tsk tsk.  Liberal fascism and snobbery all exposed in one post.  You should work for NPR.


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Re: If any of you had any doubt that the people representing you are owned by unions..... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14130458 - 03/16/11 12:22 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

You expressly stated that rich people are more intelligent than poor people. The point is that something of lesser intellectual value tends to perform better financially. Since that is the case, and rich people are smarter than poor people,, then by default pulp fiction that sells well is of greater intellectual quality than the book that does not sell well.

That's the whole problem with your Aryan Nation style worship of the wealthy. Being rich does not mean that you are a superior example of the human species. It does not mean you are inherently more intelligent than the teacher who is making a smaller salary. That is one of the great myths perpetuated by your fascist cult.

Besides, is the smartest person the one who resorts immediately to ad hominim attacks? No, that is the tactic of one who does not have a viable position, or the intelligence to defend it.


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Re: If any of you had any doubt that the people representing you are owned by unions..... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14130477 - 03/16/11 12:27 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

You call 85% of Americans losers, and you think that *I'm* a snob?  I think that the "elite" in this country PURPOSELY promote and encourage inferior art as well as inferior education to the majority of people and brainwash them from birth. Then you have the unmigitated gall to call the 85% losers, and tell them to "work harder" to attempt to reinforce their psychological slavery.

For a source refer to "The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America", it's free on the Internet.  Although I know you are probably opposed to a free piece of information just on principle, you might want to take a look at it, it's an eye opener.

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Re: If any of you had any doubt that the people representing you are owned by unions..... [Re: HippieChick8]
    #14130500 - 03/16/11 12:31 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I think that the "elite" in this country PURPOSELY promote and encourage inferior art as well as inferior education to the majority of people...


...also inferior products Made in China. :japsmile:


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Re: If any of you had any doubt that the people representing you are owned by unions..... [Re: HippieChick8]
    #14130507 - 03/16/11 12:32 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

That is the method of all these double-thinking corporate whores. Look down on the poor, accuse the left of snobbery. Bankrupt the nation through tax cuts for the wealthy, blame the working class. It's all bullshit, and zappa is the king of the bullshit. There's no need to use logic or rational dialogue with him, he already knows everything and you're wrong.


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Re: If any of you had any doubt that the people representing you are owned by unions..... [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #14130555 - 03/16/11 12:40 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Representatives are owned by whomever has money.  Groups of people (whether they be unions or corporate advocacy groups) generate more money and have more power than any individual.  It's sucks and is a weakness of democracy, but the alternatives aren't much better.  If anyone has a solution go for it, but every solution I can think of reduces individuals' right to free speech too much.

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Re: If any of you had any doubt that the people representing you are owned by unions..... [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #14130566 - 03/16/11 12:42 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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You expressly stated that rich people are more intelligent than poor people. The point is that something of lesser intellectual value tends to perform better financially. Since that is the case, and rich people are smarter than poor people,, then by default pulp fiction that sells well is of greater intellectual quality than the book that does not sell well.




What?:rofl2::flowstone:

There are more idiots.  There are more poor people.  Intellectual value is of no relevance.  Entertainment value is.  "Einstein at the Beach" isn't for everybody.  Mass appeal is no indicator of intellectual value.  Nor should it be anybody's business what other people choose to entertain themselves with.  Most of the people in the country can't name the VP.  So what? 
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That's the whole problem with your Aryan Nation style worship of the wealthy.(fucking spare me that stupidity.  Not even you are that dumb) Being rich does not mean that you are a superior example of the human species. It does not mean you are inherently more intelligent than the teacher who is making a smaller salary. That is one of the great myths perpetuated by your fascist cult.




The only fascists I see are liberal Kulture Kops and thought police.  And wealth redistributors, like you.

Is everybody who is rich intelligent?  Of course not.  Some of them won the lottery, either sperm or state.  Not relevant.  the ugly truth is that most rich people got rich because they are smarter and work harder and didn't ruin their lives at an early age with drugs and babies and arrests and by skipping school, etc.
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Besides, is the smartest person the one who resorts immediately to ad hominim attacks? No, that is the tactic of one who does not have a viable position, or the intelligence to defend it.




What ad hominem are you referring to?  I suggest you reacquaint yourself with the meaning of the phrase.


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Re: If any of you had any doubt that the people representing you are owned by unions..... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14130592 - 03/16/11 12:46 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

You called rogerrabbit a leetle girl. I suggest you reacquaint yourself with what you wrote ten minutes ago.


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