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Superior genetics
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Why are one set of genetics superior to another? How are they earned?
My guess is that we've existed previously, meaning since we were alive in our past lives and our genetics have evolved, so if you have superior genetics they are because of your evolution and experience from your past lives.
Any insight on this?
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: giza]
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Since I don't believe in past lives, I'm gonna have to say it's just luck. At random, just like different traits of people.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: Eminence]
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This is a topic of internal discussion for myself as well.
Maybe certain spiritual beings need intensely well-configured and durable vehicles to manifest on this plane and stay energetically connected to the body.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: circastes]
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Survival of the fittest.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: p4kSouL]
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So are we all at different stages of evolution?
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giza said: Why are one set of genetics superior to another? How are they earned?
My guess is that we've existed previously, meaning since we were alive in our past lives and our genetics have evolved, so if you have superior genetics they are because of your evolution and experience from your past lives.
Any insight on this?
That may be why i'm the most superior person here.
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Certain genetics are superior because inferior ones were weeded out of the gene pool through natural selection. That's what makes them inferior.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: NetDiver]
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I would think it would depend on your karma in this lifetime. Most of the really intellegent people I know have a lot of health problems. What makes sense to me is that it depends on exactly what you need to grow, sometimes you need good health and an easy living. Sometimes you need bad health and poverty.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: ahchela]
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My guess is that we've existed previously, meaning since we were alive in our past lives and our genetics have evolved, so if you have superior genetics they are because of your evolution and experience from your past lives.
I agree with this. if you look around you will notice the way people look seriously matches their mentality. This is particularly noticeable when you move to a new place and you find all the people that match up and look like people you know from home actually have the same characteristics\personality as those people.
Lawyers kind of look like lawyers, athletes like athletes, poets like poets, greedy people like greedy people, overly-intellectuals like overly-intellectuals etc. Most people agree this is true however people explain it by saying that people treat you differently and expect different things out of you depending on the way you look. I think it goes deeper then that, the way you look on the outside is a direct reflection on your inner nature.
Meher confirms that this is the case. "Meher Baba says that the body is moulded from the impressions you bring into this life to exhaust. In other words the impressions gathered in your previous life act as a kind of matrix to produce the media or form that is perfectly suitable for the expression of those impressions. Following are quotes from God Speaks by Meher Baba."
""In fact, the next-most human-form is nothing but the consolidated mould of the past impressions retained of the previous body or form that dissociated from the soul." (GS PDF v. p. 33)
"Thus the gross consciousness of the soul, after experiencing either hell or heaven, associates with the next human-form (takes another birth) to experience and exhaust the residual opposite impressions of the last birth. As has already been said, this next human - form of the soul is nothing but the consolidated mould of the residual opposite impressions of the last form." (GS PDF v. p. 34)
"It is but natural that the predominant qualities manifested now by this human soul will be in accordance with the predominant opposite impressions, of which this new human-form is but the mould." (GS PDF v. p. 37)
The way you look is determined by your subtle body (emotional body) which is composed of the attitude or view of life which you developed in your previous lifetime.
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What makes sense to me is that it depends on exactly what you need to grow, sometimes you need good health and an easy living. Sometimes you need bad health and poverty
I agree with this also. I believe for the most part natural mechanical forces (higher forces, however) work this out . Meher mentions how in one life a mans intellect will have to be restricted in order for the heart to play catchup. However the intellectual advancements are not destroyed by retained in the mental body or matrix.
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Agreed and disagreed. I do think the intellect is lost, but not the capacity or connection with cosmic consciousness. Mental and spiritual advancement continue and the intellect restarts, impressions make it easier to relearn as well.
So I guess we agree but I'm wording things slightly different / elaborating on the idea.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: ahchela]
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I see what you are saying and I think we are wording things differently. I agree "intellect restarts" if you mean details and actual information which of course has to be forgotten but I think the inner changes that take place when one realizes something intellectually stays, the impact intellectual realizations have on the state of the mind is permanent and continues.
To a certain degree your intellectual capacity in one life is determined by your brain power so in one life you may have a less powerful brain then in a previous, thereby restricting intellect.
According to Meher, what is learned in one lifetime is passed on to the next via intuition.
"At first view it might seem that loss of memory of previous lives is all a loss, but this is far from being so. For most purposes, knowledge about past lives is not at all necessary for the guidance of the onward course of spiritual evolution. Spiritual evolution consists in guiding life in the light of the highest values perceived through intuition, and not in allowing it to be determined by the past."
You should checkout His Discourses it's packed with deep insights on the dynamics of reincarnation and karma.
Go to http://www.ambppct.org/meherbaba/Discourses.php and download the 6th Edition Volume 3, checkout chapter 5.
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My guess is that we've existed previously, meaning since we were alive in our past lives and our genetics have evolved, so if you have superior genetics they are because of your evolution and experience from your past lives.
I agree with this. if you look around you will notice the way people look seriously matches their mentality. This is particularly noticeable when you move to a new place and you find all the people that match up and look like people you know from home actually have the same characteristics\personality as those people.
Lawyers kind of look like lawyers, athletes like athletes, poets like poets, greedy people like greedy people, overly-intellectuals like overly-intellectuals etc. Most people agree this is true however people explain it by saying that people treat you differently and expect different things out of you depending on the way you look. I think it goes deeper then that, the way you look on the outside is a direct reflection on your inner nature.
Meher confirms that this is the case. "Meher Baba says that the body is moulded from the impressions you bring into this life to exhaust. In other words the impressions gathered in your previous life act as a kind of matrix to produce the media or form that is perfectly suitable for the expression of those impressions. Following are quotes from God Speaks by Meher Baba."
""In fact, the next-most human-form is nothing but the consolidated mould of the past impressions retained of the previous body or form that dissociated from the soul." (GS PDF v. p. 33)
"Thus the gross consciousness of the soul, after experiencing either hell or heaven, associates with the next human-form (takes another birth) to experience and exhaust the residual opposite impressions of the last birth. As has already been said, this next human - form of the soul is nothing but the consolidated mould of the residual opposite impressions of the last form." (GS PDF v. p. 34)
"It is but natural that the predominant qualities manifested now by this human soul will be in accordance with the predominant opposite impressions, of which this new human-form is but the mould." (GS PDF v. p. 37)
The way you look is determined by your subtle body (emotional body) which is composed of the attitude or view of life which you developed in your previous lifetime.
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What makes sense to me is that it depends on exactly what you need to grow, sometimes you need good health and an easy living. Sometimes you need bad health and poverty
I agree with this also. I believe for the most part natural mechanical forces (higher forces, however) work this out . Meher mentions how in one life a mans intellect will have to be restricted in order for the heart to play catchup. However the intellectual advancements are not destroyed by retained in the mental body or matrix.
They talk about this "Theory" on an episode of P&T's bullshit. Darwin was actually at risk to not join a sailing party because the captain claimed he did not have a "Sailors Nose." While I do think that some physiological benefits come from specific genetics being isolated in particular climate for generation after generation (continuous); and that these genetics differences maybe be expressed in a visibly perceivable manner. That's a far cry from a lawyer looking like a lawyer just as much as Darwin lacking a sailors nose. Its been studied, its been disproven.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question, but you know your genes come from your parents right? Their advantage or disadvantage to ones life (good genes vs bad genes) is determined entirely through an orderly "gamble" wherein parents traits are possibly selected and expressed physiologically in various degrees (i.e. if your parents have brown hair then its likely that you'll get brown hair, but not entirely guaranteed).
Lets say both my parents have testosterone genes that are naturally expressed in abundance (mom might have a hairy lip ). I get the mix of genes from them, and chances are high that I'll also have an unusually high amount of testosterone post-puberty. This means more strength, maybe success in football or other physical affinity that helps my life? In the end, I'd call that a relatively "Good" gene. But then again its all dependent on circumstance, as testosterone (or other growth hormone) over expression would mean less to an individual that wasn't interested in physical pursuits. So the definition of a gene's quality is determined by the way in which the surrounding environment interacts with its physical expression.
BBbbbuuuttttt, it is still a gamble. Just because my parents have genes that are lovely for their lives individually, it doesn't mean their mix will provide successful for me. But thats anotherr can of worms.
And no, we are not really drifting away from each other and creating our own "Species." You can take the argument that its all relative and the genetic shift is just a smaller degree of the genetic shift that occurs in life... but that's kind of a nit picky argument.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: giza]
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giza said: Why are one set of genetics superior to another? How are they earned?
My guess is that we've existed previously, meaning since we were alive in our past lives and our genetics have evolved, so if you have superior genetics they are because of your evolution and experience from your past lives.
Any insight on this?
are you saying that we live and die continuously in cycles? what is the extent of our existence? infinite? finite? indefinite?
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Its been studied, its been disproven.
Has it though? Seems like something that would be difficult to disprove. Show me
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giza said: Why are one set of genetics superior to another? How are they earned?
My guess is that we've existed previously, meaning since we were alive in our past lives and our genetics have evolved, so if you have superior genetics they are because of your evolution and experience from your past lives.
Any insight on this?
are you saying that we live and die continuously in cycles? what is the extent of our existence? infinite? finite? indefinite?
Yes, I believe we are all infinite. I believe that it takes a few life times of learning for us to comprehend everything. Look how long it took for us to manipulate electricity.
Why do some subjects come quicker to others? Is it because they learned it in a past life so it comes to them quicker?
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: giza]
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No...some people are just intelligent, while some others are not.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: giza]
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We already figured out how to exist hence birth. So wouldn't that make us eternal, because we already know. Even if we cannot explain it.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: giza]
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Okay I'll try to explain further..
The older a person gets, if they are dedicated the more intelligent they become. - Such as moving from elementary - high school
So if you apply that to our past lives, the longer a person has been in existence the more intelligent they would be.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: giza]
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giza said: Why are one set of genetics superior to another? How are they earned?
My guess is that we've existed previously, meaning since we were alive in our past lives and our genetics have evolved, so if you have superior genetics they are because of your evolution and experience from your past lives.
Any insight on this?
are you saying that we live and die continuously in cycles? what is the extent of our existence? infinite? finite? indefinite?
Yes, I believe we are all infinite. I believe that it takes a few life times of learning for us to comprehend everything. Look how long it took for us to manipulate electricity.
Why do some subjects come quicker to others? Is it because they learned it in a past life so it comes to them quicker?
Are cockroaches and bacteria also infinite and involved in this learning process. How did you come to your conclusions?
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Yes, they are. I believe they then move to a different form after their death. Like from cockroach to mouse to bird.
I just figured it by thinking about it.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: giza]
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Do you ever entertain the possibility that your thinking might be incorrect?
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: giza]
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Yup, when I am proved wrong.
Should have stated that this is all my opinion.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: giza]
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I think there is no limit to what we can evolve into, and no limit to how fast that occurs, and I believe it's all about consciousness expanding itself, not the body trying to dominate in nature.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: giza]
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Of course that can never likely be proved right or wrong and I assume everything in this forum is opinion so you don't have to state it for me. I was just wondering if you had any evidence by chance.
I'm the opposite. My attempt at thinking about life logically makes the belief in an afterlife seem extremely unlikely. Considering for example the uncountable trillions of trillions upon trillions of trillions of bacteria alone it would seem very unlikely that they are all involved in some cosmic reincarnation. When I was young I was in love with that idea however but with time and IMO better rational thought I realized it was very likely that I needed to believe in an afterlife due to my conscious and unconscious death anxiety. It's a notion I grew out of based on the things I've seen and experienced.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: Of course that can never likely be proved right or wrong
Says who? lol How long did you look before coming to your conclusion?
One can test the validity of anything if they wish to put in the effort. If we're speaking of past lives, you'll have to take the temporary assumption that they exist and try to experience one. If you exhaust yourself on the effort, then it makes sense to conlcude that A) You failed in the effort B) Past lives don't exist
Alternately one can try blind faith and join a religion or become athiest.
Personally I prefer the idea of trying to find things out for myself and seeing what happens, I find it really beautiful that anything really worth finding is readily available but no one is willing to look. Its cosmic poetry really, the individual cannot be shown mysticism but must seek out and experience it themselves.
Its natural to come to the question: "Was that experience real?" The only thing I can say about that is 'trial and error'. One needs many experiences to test their validity, to compare them to the waking life. There are enough crazy people out there to show that one should be careful in coming to conclusions about their experiences.
Alternately one can try a lazy cop out and believe the first thing that happens, or be even lazier and just claim its all neurons misfiring. I'm hoping there aren't too many lazy fools reading this though, as I wrote this for anyone who is actually trying to find their own answers and not reaffirm their blind conclusions by trying to put someone else down.
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I mean no offense to Shroomery (as I'd come to love this forum long before I registered), but conclusions drawn from this thread are belittling the magnitude that is genetics and evolutionary theory (I mean come on guys, there's a reason entire branches of biology are dedicated to this insanely complex science). Not all of you (but most from what I've seen) need to take genetics, or at least a remedial biology course before your insights can have any validity, otherwise its just blind musings.
This does not apply to the reincarnation folks, as I cannot assert scientific logic to those appealing to "Faith." Its like comparing apples to some mysterious invisible orange that controls my life... err... something like that.
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Religion and Atheism both require blind faith. The orange biology book was cute...

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Re: Superior genetics [Re: Icelander]
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Are cockroaches and bacteria also infinite and involved in this learning process. How did you come to your conclusions?
By definition of infinite they have to be included. Nothing can be excluded from infinity as by definition it is everything. "There is no scope for separateness in the vastness of the Infinite Ocean of Indivisible Oneness." Meher
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Icelander said: Of course that can never likely be proved right or wrong
Says who? lol How long did you look before coming to your conclusion?
One can test the validity of anything if they wish to put in the effort. If we're speaking of past lives, you'll have to take the temporary assumption that they exist and try to experience one. If you exhaust yourself on the effort, then it makes sense to conlcude that A) You failed in the effort B) Past lives don't exist
Alternately one can try blind faith and join a religion or become athiest.
Personally I prefer the idea of trying to find things out for myself and seeing what happens, I find it really beautiful that anything really worth finding is readily available but no one is willing to look. Its cosmic poetry really, the individual cannot be shown mysticism but must seek out and experience it themselves.
Its natural to come to the question: "Was that experience real?" The only thing I can say about that is 'trial and error'. One needs many experiences to test their validity, to compare them to the waking life. There are enough crazy people out there to show that one should be careful in coming to conclusions about their experiences.
Alternately one can try a lazy cop out and believe the first thing that happens, or be even lazier and just claim its all neurons misfiring. I'm hoping there aren't too many lazy fools reading this though, as I wrote this for anyone who is actually trying to find their own answers and not reaffirm their blind conclusions by trying to put someone else down.
funny post. Nobody in all of human history to my knowledge has been able to prove it. My attempt were also futile. Seems like a pretty logical conclusion imo. And I did say it's not likely, I didn't say it was impossible. Seems that you missed that and ended up posting all that.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: Icelander]
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You can say not likely and imply impossible. You're not fooling anyone with that.
To your knowledge doesn't say a whole lot, other than you being ignorant.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: ahchela]
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Who cares what you think. I know what I said and what I meant. Guess somebodies feelings got hurt. Not my problem.
And as I said no one throughout history has provided any real proof. So it's not just my experience.
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ahchela cool it with the personalisms.
If one needs to discover mysticism for themselves, then it doesn't matter that another hasn't experienced it because it doesn't influence your exploration into the topic. Everyone is allowed to come to their own conclusions about their individual experiences in this forum, and that includes null experiences. Flaming however is not tolerated.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: giza]
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giza said: Why are one set of genetics superior to another? How are they earned?
My guess is that we've existed previously, meaning since we were alive in our past lives and our genetics have evolved, so if you have superior genetics they are because of your evolution and experience from your past lives.
Any insight on this?
are you saying that we live and die continuously in cycles? what is the extent of our existence? infinite? finite? indefinite?
Yes, I believe we are all infinite. I believe that it takes a few life times of learning for us to comprehend everything. Look how long it took for us to manipulate electricity.
Why do some subjects come quicker to others? Is it because they learned it in a past life so it comes to them quicker?
well that is an interesting concept, but such a concept comes with certain implications.
that means an identity cannot be created. this means that there will always be the same exact amount of human identities. new babies that are born are nothing more than reincarnations. thus, there will always be an exact finite number of humans, forever. no more, no less. the conservation principle in physics and chemistry becomes applicable to our lives as well then. no human life can be created, nor destroyed.
with such parameters, how could you explain the exponential growth in our human population? technically, none of these incoming newborns are newly born at all. they are simply given another chance at experiencing life.
also, do we retain our physical identities, or do we take on new bodies?
you have a sensational theory, though it is not that new. but it is fairly hard to prove, especially since there are so many possibilities within such a paradigm.
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Treefeeler said: So the definition of a gene's quality is determined by the way in which the surrounding environment interacts with its physical expression.
This. No one genotype is superior in every environment. The question seems to be one of adaptability.
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@meatcakeman Well, there are many different types of living organisms..
As in look how many insects there are, any living thing could possibly turn into a human in its next life, and vice-versa.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: giza]
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I don't believe we are set in numbers as in there is only set amount of humans.
I believe life is ongoing in it's new existents, they are just at different stages.. And some just came to be, I mean there are constantly new things coming into existence.
The path is what I'm unsure about.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: Kickle]
#14127537 - 03/15/11 09:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Nobody in all of human history to my knowledge has been able to prove it.
My point in calling you ignorant, is that there have been plenty of people who purported truth. There are plenty of people now. Some of them offer proof through spiritual exercises, for example: the Sufis the Buddhists the Hindus the Rosecrucians (please excuse spelling) the ECKists the Scientologists
I'm assuming you know all these names. These are all recent groups which have come around purporting truth and offering proof.
In order to say that none of them offer valid proof, you would have had to have studied all of them in depth and 1st hand. That means actually using their methods, not just reading about them.
I get the direct impression you haven't done that, which is why I called you ignorant. I didn't call you a poopoo face, I merely questioned your true knowledge on the subject 
As far as "who cares" what I think, there are plenty of people who value my opinion. If you don't, thats fine and dandy - I'm just keeping a conversation going.
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I have no respect for double standards, call a moderator and have me banned but don't come to me with bs like some internet gestapo.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: ahchela]
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: giza]
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giza said: I don't believe we are set in numbers as in there is only set amount of humans.
I believe life is ongoing in it's new existents, they are just at different stages.. And some just came to be, I mean there are constantly new things coming into existence.
The path is what I'm unsure about.
well how is life created then?
if it is all just recirculated back into biological organisms, then wouldn't there just be a set amount of lives? especially if we lived infinitely while new lives are created, there'd be quite a lot of lives by the end of it, which is technically never since there is no end in infinite. that would mean there are an infinite number of souls living an infinite amount of lives, infinitely.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: ahchela]
#14127885 - 03/15/11 10:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm assuming you know all these names. These are all recent groups which have come around purporting truth and offering proof.
In order to say that none of them offer valid proof, you would have had to have studied all of them in depth and 1st hand. That means actually using their methods, not just reading about them.
I merely questioned your true knowledge on the subject 
Proof is often ambiguous and rarely universally agreed upon. The "Proof" that these groups offer is often proof in their line of logic. I.e. Our books read of a sacred blue orange, here's a blue orange, our book must be correct and god exists! So although they can offer proof when you utilize their methods, question those methods, the thinking behind those methods and those fucking emeters! That's why they employ faith, its the ultimate argument override switch.
But then again its these/your questions that test the truth that I line my life with, on that I think we find common ground 
What torques the shit out of me is the double standard that I've experienced from people of a variety of faiths/religions. I've been aggressively questioned about my lack of faith, told I'm going to "Burn in Hell" and mocked (this happened at a young age, where I don't have enough self reliance and confidence to really stand against the stupid fucks). But when I'd turn it around its always the same, hostel response, "Don't question my faith, you don't have the right to question my God." The logic that supports my "Lack of Faith" is the logic that lines my life (scientific reasoning) and gives us all this padded, lovely, technological existence. The reasoning that supports religious "Faith" gives us... war? Artificially contrived rules? Some people can't eat pork and others cannot leave the house without an escort? Come on guys, we're supposed to be in the age of reason.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: ahchela]
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Kickle said: ahchela cool it with the personalisms. Flaming however is not tolerated.
I have no respect for double standards, call a moderator and have me banned but don't come to me with bs like some internet gestapo.
What double standard? and I am a moderator dude
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I agree with everything you've said here. Some very good points.
Personally I'm wary of religion. The people doing the fighting are doing it for religion, but I don't think the people starting the wars really care. Religion is often a form of control over people, and at the heart of it theres no love - just greed.
As for mysticism I agree that one needs to be wary of a group, even if its methods work as they say. Its easy enough to manipulate someone into self indoctrination. Not sure how to go about verifying people, but personally I've had enough experiences to know that some of the techniques which are given out there work to a degree.
The reason I'm not aligning myself with those groups is that I view am questioning one or anothers hold over these, their meaning and affiliation. If one has an experience doing a certain technique it doesn't mean the person who showed them that technique has any power greater than having known it first. Going to the Astral with some guru, is like jumping the border to America with some dude. Next thing you know hes holding your family ransom and you're a slave for him working Astral fastfood and sending him all your checks.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: Kickle]
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What double standard? and I am a moderator dude
I see a double standard, if one were to read the posts over and consider the implications beings made over the idea of reincarnation. On the other hand, after having some pot and playing my guitar a little bit, I don't care all that much
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: ahchela]
#14128586 - 03/16/11 12:54 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have to work with what has been written. And I don't see anything written beyond personal beliefs on Icelander's part. Likewise I see your personal beliefs but I also saw you cross the line and start attacking another poster.
What is implied is a subjective interpretation and shaky ground for a moderator to base judgment on. So if you see a double standard, I'm sorry, but it may just be your subjective interpretation differing from the objective material I have to work with. There is nothing against the rules in what Icelander has written.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: Kickle]
#14130324 - 03/16/11 11:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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@meatcakeman I am very unsure how life is created.. I'm thinking that something figures out how to come into existence, creating itself. Then through their lives they learn/evolve/adapt.
Yes, I believe there would be infinite everything, there is enough room for it. Since space is expanding and is so vast we cannot comprehend its true size, I consider space to be infinite as well.
There are more than a billion people on this earth, and that's just humans. If you take into account all the different species of animals and insects that number would be huge. (Some ant hills can have up to 10,000 ants.)
Another thing I am unsure of is plants, I'm not sure if that is one of the stages of life, which IMO would be more towards the beginning of the life cycle.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: giza]
#14130376 - 03/16/11 12:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Doubt a being would be able to operate a body after just coming into existence.. Needs spans of observing/learning to do so.
Takes time of studying to operate certain types of machinery in our type of life.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: giza]
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giza said: @meatcakeman I am very unsure how life is created.. I'm thinking that something figures out how to come into existence, creating itself. Then through their lives they learn/evolve/adapt.
Yes, I believe there would be infinite everything, there is enough room for it. Since space is expanding and is so vast we cannot comprehend its true size, I consider space to be infinite as well.
There are more than a billion people on this earth, and that's just humans. If you take into account all the different species of animals and insects that number would be huge. (Some ant hills can have up to 10,000 ants.)
Another thing I am unsure of is plants, I'm not sure if that is one of the stages of life, which IMO would be more towards the beginning of the life cycle.
6 billion people.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: giza]
#14131011 - 03/16/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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giza said: Since space is expanding and is so vast we cannot comprehend its true size, I consider space to be infinite as well.
You believe space is expanding, yet you believe it's infinite? How can something that has an infinite size expand? Nothing is "greater" than infinity.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: Poid]
#14131465 - 03/16/11 02:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Infinite in its expansion.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: giza]
#14131477 - 03/16/11 02:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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What? You mean to say that space expands infinitely?
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: Poid]
#14131533 - 03/16/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yep.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: giza]
#14131648 - 03/16/11 03:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ultimate fate of the universe - Wikipedia
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Many possible fates are predicted by rival scientific theories, including futures of both finite and infinite duration.
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