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Re: Superior genetics [Re: giza]
#14125160 - 03/15/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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giza said: Why are one set of genetics superior to another? How are they earned?
My guess is that we've existed previously, meaning since we were alive in our past lives and our genetics have evolved, so if you have superior genetics they are because of your evolution and experience from your past lives.
Any insight on this?
are you saying that we live and die continuously in cycles? what is the extent of our existence? infinite? finite? indefinite?
Yes, I believe we are all infinite. I believe that it takes a few life times of learning for us to comprehend everything. Look how long it took for us to manipulate electricity.
Why do some subjects come quicker to others? Is it because they learned it in a past life so it comes to them quicker?
Are cockroaches and bacteria also infinite and involved in this learning process. How did you come to your conclusions?
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: Icelander]
#14125209 - 03/15/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes, they are. I believe they then move to a different form after their death. Like from cockroach to mouse to bird.
I just figured it by thinking about it.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: giza]
#14125252 - 03/15/11 02:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Do you ever entertain the possibility that your thinking might be incorrect?
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: giza]
#14125261 - 03/15/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yup, when I am proved wrong.
Should have stated that this is all my opinion.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: giza]
#14125506 - 03/15/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think there is no limit to what we can evolve into, and no limit to how fast that occurs, and I believe it's all about consciousness expanding itself, not the body trying to dominate in nature.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: giza]
#14125533 - 03/15/11 03:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Of course that can never likely be proved right or wrong and I assume everything in this forum is opinion so you don't have to state it for me. I was just wondering if you had any evidence by chance.
I'm the opposite. My attempt at thinking about life logically makes the belief in an afterlife seem extremely unlikely. Considering for example the uncountable trillions of trillions upon trillions of trillions of bacteria alone it would seem very unlikely that they are all involved in some cosmic reincarnation. When I was young I was in love with that idea however but with time and IMO better rational thought I realized it was very likely that I needed to believe in an afterlife due to my conscious and unconscious death anxiety. It's a notion I grew out of based on the things I've seen and experienced.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: Icelander]
#14125926 - 03/15/11 04:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Of course that can never likely be proved right or wrong
Says who? lol How long did you look before coming to your conclusion?
One can test the validity of anything if they wish to put in the effort. If we're speaking of past lives, you'll have to take the temporary assumption that they exist and try to experience one. If you exhaust yourself on the effort, then it makes sense to conlcude that A) You failed in the effort B) Past lives don't exist
Alternately one can try blind faith and join a religion or become athiest.
Personally I prefer the idea of trying to find things out for myself and seeing what happens, I find it really beautiful that anything really worth finding is readily available but no one is willing to look. Its cosmic poetry really, the individual cannot be shown mysticism but must seek out and experience it themselves.
Its natural to come to the question: "Was that experience real?" The only thing I can say about that is 'trial and error'. One needs many experiences to test their validity, to compare them to the waking life. There are enough crazy people out there to show that one should be careful in coming to conclusions about their experiences.
Alternately one can try a lazy cop out and believe the first thing that happens, or be even lazier and just claim its all neurons misfiring. I'm hoping there aren't too many lazy fools reading this though, as I wrote this for anyone who is actually trying to find their own answers and not reaffirm their blind conclusions by trying to put someone else down.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: ahchela] 1
#14126084 - 03/15/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I mean no offense to Shroomery (as I'd come to love this forum long before I registered), but conclusions drawn from this thread are belittling the magnitude that is genetics and evolutionary theory (I mean come on guys, there's a reason entire branches of biology are dedicated to this insanely complex science). Not all of you (but most from what I've seen) need to take genetics, or at least a remedial biology course before your insights can have any validity, otherwise its just blind musings.
This does not apply to the reincarnation folks, as I cannot assert scientific logic to those appealing to "Faith." Its like comparing apples to some mysterious invisible orange that controls my life... err... something like that.
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Religion and Atheism both require blind faith. The orange biology book was cute...

Keep shielding those eyes, they might get burned.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: Icelander]
#14126255 - 03/15/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Are cockroaches and bacteria also infinite and involved in this learning process. How did you come to your conclusions?
By definition of infinite they have to be included. Nothing can be excluded from infinity as by definition it is everything. "There is no scope for separateness in the vastness of the Infinite Ocean of Indivisible Oneness." Meher
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: ahchela]
#14126474 - 03/15/11 06:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Of course that can never likely be proved right or wrong
Says who? lol How long did you look before coming to your conclusion?
One can test the validity of anything if they wish to put in the effort. If we're speaking of past lives, you'll have to take the temporary assumption that they exist and try to experience one. If you exhaust yourself on the effort, then it makes sense to conlcude that A) You failed in the effort B) Past lives don't exist
Alternately one can try blind faith and join a religion or become athiest.
Personally I prefer the idea of trying to find things out for myself and seeing what happens, I find it really beautiful that anything really worth finding is readily available but no one is willing to look. Its cosmic poetry really, the individual cannot be shown mysticism but must seek out and experience it themselves.
Its natural to come to the question: "Was that experience real?" The only thing I can say about that is 'trial and error'. One needs many experiences to test their validity, to compare them to the waking life. There are enough crazy people out there to show that one should be careful in coming to conclusions about their experiences.
Alternately one can try a lazy cop out and believe the first thing that happens, or be even lazier and just claim its all neurons misfiring. I'm hoping there aren't too many lazy fools reading this though, as I wrote this for anyone who is actually trying to find their own answers and not reaffirm their blind conclusions by trying to put someone else down.
funny post. Nobody in all of human history to my knowledge has been able to prove it. My attempt were also futile. Seems like a pretty logical conclusion imo. And I did say it's not likely, I didn't say it was impossible. Seems that you missed that and ended up posting all that.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: Icelander]
#14126580 - 03/15/11 06:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You can say not likely and imply impossible. You're not fooling anyone with that.
To your knowledge doesn't say a whole lot, other than you being ignorant.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: ahchela]
#14126886 - 03/15/11 07:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Who cares what you think. I know what I said and what I meant. Guess somebodies feelings got hurt. Not my problem.
And as I said no one throughout history has provided any real proof. So it's not just my experience.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: ahchela]
#14126959 - 03/15/11 07:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ahchela cool it with the personalisms.
If one needs to discover mysticism for themselves, then it doesn't matter that another hasn't experienced it because it doesn't influence your exploration into the topic. Everyone is allowed to come to their own conclusions about their individual experiences in this forum, and that includes null experiences. Flaming however is not tolerated.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: giza]
#14127431 - 03/15/11 09:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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giza said:
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meatcakeman said:
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giza said: Why are one set of genetics superior to another? How are they earned?
My guess is that we've existed previously, meaning since we were alive in our past lives and our genetics have evolved, so if you have superior genetics they are because of your evolution and experience from your past lives.
Any insight on this?
are you saying that we live and die continuously in cycles? what is the extent of our existence? infinite? finite? indefinite?
Yes, I believe we are all infinite. I believe that it takes a few life times of learning for us to comprehend everything. Look how long it took for us to manipulate electricity.
Why do some subjects come quicker to others? Is it because they learned it in a past life so it comes to them quicker?
well that is an interesting concept, but such a concept comes with certain implications.
that means an identity cannot be created. this means that there will always be the same exact amount of human identities. new babies that are born are nothing more than reincarnations. thus, there will always be an exact finite number of humans, forever. no more, no less. the conservation principle in physics and chemistry becomes applicable to our lives as well then. no human life can be created, nor destroyed.
with such parameters, how could you explain the exponential growth in our human population? technically, none of these incoming newborns are newly born at all. they are simply given another chance at experiencing life.
also, do we retain our physical identities, or do we take on new bodies?
you have a sensational theory, though it is not that new. but it is fairly hard to prove, especially since there are so many possibilities within such a paradigm.
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Treefeeler said: So the definition of a gene's quality is determined by the way in which the surrounding environment interacts with its physical expression.
This. No one genotype is superior in every environment. The question seems to be one of adaptability.
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@meatcakeman Well, there are many different types of living organisms..
As in look how many insects there are, any living thing could possibly turn into a human in its next life, and vice-versa.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: giza]
#14127491 - 03/15/11 09:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't believe we are set in numbers as in there is only set amount of humans.
I believe life is ongoing in it's new existents, they are just at different stages.. And some just came to be, I mean there are constantly new things coming into existence.
The path is what I'm unsure about.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: Kickle]
#14127537 - 03/15/11 09:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Nobody in all of human history to my knowledge has been able to prove it.
My point in calling you ignorant, is that there have been plenty of people who purported truth. There are plenty of people now. Some of them offer proof through spiritual exercises, for example: the Sufis the Buddhists the Hindus the Rosecrucians (please excuse spelling) the ECKists the Scientologists
I'm assuming you know all these names. These are all recent groups which have come around purporting truth and offering proof.
In order to say that none of them offer valid proof, you would have had to have studied all of them in depth and 1st hand. That means actually using their methods, not just reading about them.
I get the direct impression you haven't done that, which is why I called you ignorant. I didn't call you a poopoo face, I merely questioned your true knowledge on the subject 
As far as "who cares" what I think, there are plenty of people who value my opinion. If you don't, thats fine and dandy - I'm just keeping a conversation going.
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Kickle said: ahchela cool it with the personalisms. Flaming however is not tolerated.
I have no respect for double standards, call a moderator and have me banned but don't come to me with bs like some internet gestapo.
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Re: Superior genetics [Re: ahchela]
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