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    #14103094 - 03/11/11 09:36 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Are computers anti-social? [Re: gENERIX]
    #14103255 - 03/11/11 10:22 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Do you mean, do computers and the internet cause people to be more anti-social? 

In my 14 years on the internet I've noticed that as time has gone on and the internet has moved into every home, children have vastly taken over accessing it (or younger generations vs baby-boomers), and social networking has replaced past forms of interaction... it doesn't seem to alter how people are in person for those that don't get sucked in.

Clearly you have your fuckin internet mega-nerd that plays WoW for 18 hours a day in his parents basement and may be the most popular person in his guild or server, but in reality the person may be a complete recluse with zero social life.  I had a friend like this. 

Also, the internet doesn't give you personal interaction and this board is a perfect example of that.  There are huge groups of people that go above and beyond to be the biggest assholes they can possibly be, but other members say they're the nicest person IRL.  I think it's an incredibly complex situation and I think the effect it has on children isn't entirely known and of course will vary from person to person.  Kids who are already less social seem to thrive on the internet.  In the end I really think it does affect people since it has become such a major part of our lives.  I spend more time on the computer than I do watching TV anymore and 99% of the time I'm on my computer I'm on the internet.  My laptop/PC's would be useless without the internet.

I think what I'm trying to say is that people who may have already been less social in their physical situations may be more social online.  People who are social anyways don't seem to be affected by it much, and instead are the nerds with 400 facebook friends that inform everyone when they get a haircut or are going out to watch a football game or drink a beer.  :lol:


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Re: Are computers anti-social? [Re: gENERIX]
    #14103422 - 03/11/11 10:58 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Do you think computers and the internet are anti-social?




Nah, pub-talk just moved from the pub to /pub, that's all.

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Re: Are computers anti-social? [Re: koraks]
    #14107080 - 03/12/11 01:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

when i first started playing online games (delta force 2) back in 2001 about, i noticed that the internet allowed me to create a completely new social identity.  it gave me a big sense of freedom.  i was "popular" in school but that came at a pretty high price to tell you the truth.  i was always stressing out about being on my toes because to stay popular you always have to say the right things, keep your fly zipped up, never do anything embarassing, etc etc. 

but online all i had to do was play the game, talk over a microphone, and type talk.  the community on that game was very positive.  even when someone was killed, more often than not you would see "NS" in the text box, meaning Nice Shot.  this happened even in the "Open" servers where you didn't neccessarily know who just killed you, and you'd still see people, me included, say NS if it was, indeed, a nice shot.  this was sometimes modified by "NS Bro," as in "Brother" and when you joined a clan, everyone called you Bro, it was like a family where everyone was judged on their playing ability as well as their spirit, not on physical appearance, and even if you weren't that good at the game, nobody talked down to you, everyone was part of the family.  so i think alot of people would thrive in that environment which in a lot of was is more healthy than some real life environments i've experienced.  it felt just as good to be treated kindly in the online world as the "real" world, so where is the difference?

can it be taken too far?  sure it can, like anything you can play for too long or eat too many Nerds candy, as i did.  i just realized the poignancy of that name, Nerds, haha. 

for me the online gaming experience was as totally real as real life, or moreso because it didn't stress me out the way real life does. so i think if you don't take it too far, it can be healthy, or at least harmless.

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    #14118378 - 03/14/11 08:17 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Are computers anti-social? [Re: gENERIX]
    #14118393 - 03/14/11 08:21 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The internet opens up opportunities for community.
Mush Cult is a great example, we're a group of hobbyists that couldn't exist in a single town.
Before the 'net, growing mushrooms was a solitary pursuit, now it's a spectator sport.


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Re: Are computers anti-social? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14118415 - 03/14/11 08:30 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

it can be antisocial.. its not always though.

sites like CouchSurfing.org is a shining example of how the net can be used to ACTUALLY network with other people.. its not a falsely perceived sense of friends that you get with Facebook and Twitter.

a social network that gets people off the computer.. :smile:


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Re: Are computers anti-social? [Re: gENERIX]
    #14119355 - 03/14/11 01:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

antisocial means sociopathic, a lack of conscience (regard for others)... you're probably wondering if there is some correlation between computer usage and lack of social skills... if so, your professor would probably appreciate it if you stated it as such.


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Re: Are computers anti-social? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #14119469 - 03/14/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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antisocial means sociopathic, a lack of conscience (regard for others)... you're probably wondering if there is some correlation between computer usage and lack of social skills... if so, your professor would probably appreciate it if you stated it as such.



antisocial does not mean sociopathic, look it up

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Re: Are computers anti-social? [Re: sleepy]
    #14119705 - 03/14/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

lol, i don't have to, antisocial and unsociable really aren't interchangeable words.  while in terms of psychology, antisocial personality disorder is broader than sociopathic (a subset of the disorder), in our language the word antisocial is more loosely used as such.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: Are computers anti-social? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14120102 - 03/14/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Doc_T said:
The internet opens up opportunities for community.
Mush Cult is a great example, we're a group of hobbyists that couldn't exist in a single town.
Before the 'net, growing mushrooms was a solitary pursuit, now it's a spectator sport.



Weellll...maybe true for mushroom growing, but other hobbies have 'always' been supported by social systems. I remember my dad's membership of a beekeeper's association and frequent visits to gatherings of HAM radio enthusiasts. But of course, the Internet makes it much easier to connect with people with the same interests form all over the world, and that makes all the difference for the more arcane (and legally disputable) hobbies and interests. This means that communities of interest that in the 'old days' could not flourish because they couldn't gather a critical mass in a particular area, can now survive and even thrive on a worldwide scale.

And luckily, the computer does not completely replace the face-to-face social interactions, but it seems to act to support them instead (or in addition), with people planning gatherings and group activities online, and then socializing IRL.

But for those unwilling or unable to head out and meet other people, the internet is a very convenient platform for being in touch with other humans nonetheless. Think of people who have limited social skills to begin with or suffer from agoraphobia. So for some, it even adds to their possibilities of initiating and maintaining contacts with others, which is often extremely rewarding and reassuring.

By acting simultaneously as a platform for low-boundary communication and a collective and randomly accessible memory, the Internet has made us more social instead of reducing human interactions. That the fear of the latter exists is IMO mostly caused by the generations above us who have sadly not been able or willing to embrace new technologies like the younger generations. But their perceptions are as deceiving as those of governments that believe that 4ll dr00gz are 3v1l.

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Re: Are computers anti-social? [Re: koraks]
    #14120495 - 03/14/11 05:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Back in middle school when I played SOCOM 1 and 2 all day everyday, my social skills were basically retarded as a result of online gaming. Maybe you should look at how computers might disrupt IRL socialization vs. online socialization.

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Re: Are computers anti-social? [Re: gENERIX]
    #14134942 - 03/17/11 01:49 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm writing a report that must consist of a detailed discussion of a chosen topic, backed up by relevant references and real-life exmamples where appropriate.

I'd be interested to hear some of your views? Do you think computers and the internet are anti-social?

Any answers would be great.





Very hard to write a traditional biases one side paper on this subject. Computers and specifically the social aspect of the internet are both antisocial and social. Personally social networks of computers such as the shroomery are a creative outlet for me. They allow me to post information that helps me process deep intellectual thoughts, along side with close personal friends.

While that could be considered anti social in the traditional sense, I'v met plenty of folks from the shroomery in real life; it isn't anti social then. Well I guess that is the answer to your question; the internet and social networks are not anti social. They allow a new form of communication and thus increase ones ability to communicate, interpret analytical information and learn; which I believe is a form of communication itself.

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